Obama Administration to Severely Wounded Vets: Suicide is Painless!

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Anyway - the problem is - as with anything ambigious - is the intent is there - or at least the door is open for the 'doc' to interpret the counseling sessions.

And i believe the more they word this with ambiguity, the more the lines will blur.
The blurrier the lines, the more suicides [or nudged] deaths we'll see.
Give an inch, and peeps always take a mile....always.
 
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Define critically injured.
That answer will have a multitude of replies...

At one time the medical and science field knew what brain dead was...no brains waves. Now it's someone unable to speak as fluently as the rest of society.

This is all meaningless - the whole fiasco will be bankrupt in about 5 years.
 
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Anyway - the problem is - as with anything ambigious - is the intent is there - or at least the door is open for the 'doc' to interpret the counseling sessions.

And i believe the more they word this with ambiguity, the more the lines will blur.
The blurrier the lines, the more suicides [or nudged] deaths we'll see.
Give an inch, and peeps always take a mile....always.

According to Joab (aka liar aaka insurance company dupe) Anias's story, it is not too hard to conclude, falsey or otherwise, that the VA department would consider the returning veterans as either a nagging expense or a monumental pain in the butt, at the very least.

There is no smoking gun here, as Mr Krauthammer points out on the topic.
All discussion by the secular authorities is value-free while speaking about other peoples values. It is all good. It is all legitimate. there are no bad choices, only your choices.
The secular authorities make no judgments in their talk about hospices and the such, and one would suspect they would be just as value free in their talks of the expensive, extraordinary means of preserving life, if such things would ever be discussed as being part of the choice.

Secular authorities are explicit that the topic of values is your responsibility. There only responsibility is to the taxpayer, or more specifically to the politicians that control the taxpayers purse.


And in that they will act rationally in as value free a way as is legally possible.

Good news though. Obama is a Christian lawmaker. Fantine assures us.
:crossrc:

Lord have mercy.
 
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Why is the government now so eager to give everybody a list of options?

Sometimes, when people are at the edge of a steep cliff, all it takes is a little, just a teensie weensie, itsy bitsy ....

nudge...

I agree.. Imagine being presented with those kinds of "options" when you're already quite ailing and probably emotionally and/or psychologically compromised.....

And you got to love the language they couch it in.. "Compassion"..:doh:

Reminds me of the book of Genesis when Satan tempts Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, "Now the Serpent/Satan is the most subtle of creatures.." urging them the fruit, "see how fair it is to behold and how pleasing to the eye.."


I'm just wary of this whole socialized medicine... something stinks in it, both financially and idealogically..

Actually, I'm fairly sure the federal government doesn't even have the authority to do this according to the Constitution...





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I agree.. Imagine being presented with those kinds of "options" when you're already quite ailing and probably emotionally and/or psychologically compromised.....

And you got to love the language they couch it in.. "Compassion"..:doh:

Reminds me of the book of Genesis when Satan tempts Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, "Now the Serpent/Satan is the most subtle of creatures.." urging them the fruit, "see how fair it is to behold and how pleasing to the eye.."


I'm just wary of this whole socialized medicine... something stinks in it, both financially and idealogically..

Actually, I'm fairly sure the federal government doesn't even have the authority to do this according to the Constitution...





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Its use of tax coercion makes it legit.
 
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That's what I was going to say, too.

With all the healthcare document witchhunting going on, I don't have any desire to read 1/2 of 1% of the content of anything.

then why did you post in here?
 
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If they can do this to our Veterans, they can do this to our seniors. (Oh wait...they actually are trying--courtesy of the very same Hemlock Society, who are doing massive lobbying.)

Aah, that sheds some light on it then, apparently they've done bought our government. And our government is now an agent now of the Hemlock Society, among other things.

I would'nt wanna be Obama when all this hits the fan.
 
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A practical example of socialized medicine;

Since last April and loosing BCBS I have gone on the VA as I am a retired vet and have that option though its a last resort for medical coverage.

Since then, my cholesterol has gone up over 250 and triglycerides up over 577 and I can't get the VA doctor to prescribe anything yet. I will be contacting the patient advocate this week to complain.

5 months ago, with the meds my private Dr. had me on, my numbers were normal and I requested the same meds when I went over to the VA.

I was shuffled out the door without them pending lipid tests despite the history I showed. The first test came back high after a month without the meds but according to my Indian Dr., not high enough for treatment and scheduled me for another check three months later which I just took a couple weeks ago.

In the past 4 months, with two lipid tests since first going off the meds, my levels are through the roof again.

Ive been on Cholesterol meds for 4 years. But everything I said to this VA Dr. went in one ear and out the other without her own tests and trials. Meanwhile exactly what I showed her from past tests is happening and its as if I have no input.

Well after this last test that shows 577 for triglycerides (which should be 150) she sends me Niacin through the mail which takes a week to arrive and I am allergic to and can't take anyway, without even talking to me. They send Niacin because they ration meds and are mandated to try the cheapest or generics first. I found this out while on active duty years ago.

I hope your all ready for socialized medicine where your at the mercy of an incompetent Dr. as a prime care provider you have no choice of who decides what you do or do not need. All who voted for this admin will deserve it!

Not to mention, there is no waiting line less than 50 people long.

I would never have gotten laid off in the first place without this radical! How many millions of jobs have been lost under this radical already. Wake up America! Can you tell it ticks me off?

If I had something more serious to be treated I would likely choose an ER or to die before letting the incompetent VA get near me or set through their inefficient bureaucracy for days to just hope I got what I needed when real doctors have already done the work for them but who I can't afford to pay out of pocket.

I demand the same exact medical insurance as the politicians have or they can take thier stealth foca and euthanasia and shove it!

amen and amen.
 
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Not precisely lying.

Carrying water for private insurance companies unwittingly.

There seems to be a lot of that going on but what about all that the Bishops are saying?

Do you think they would want to or are unwittingly supporting anyone but the people?

Sure some capitalist is going to benefit.

Isn't that better than being under socialist control?

I don't place faith in either but I do in the Bishops. You should check out what there saying if you haven't yet.

Why won't they regulate the big drug companies? I think you know. Instead they want to regulate us and our Doctors. It doesn't wash does it? You will see when everyone is in the same boat and its too late for options and worse.

How many times has big government "fixed" something without breaking it? or lately even preserved human dignity. If that was the aim there would be no complaint. It simply isn't, its about you and me being under government control and I think your wise enough to see that. You will be lucky to even have a public option if the radical gets his way. The only ones that will have options will be themselves.

Whats it tell you when the politicians won't be opting into what will be forced on everyone else? It stinks, thats what.

www.usccb.org/healthcare

Letter to House on Health Care Reform (HR 3200)
Cardinal Justin Rigali, August 11, 2009

Issues Related to Coverage of Low Income in Health Care Reform
August 2009

Legal Immigrants in Health Care Reform
August 2009

Action Alert: Support Health Care Reform That Respects Life
July 27, 2009

Action Alert: Help Reform Health Care, Protect Human Life and Dignity
July 17, 2009

Letter to Congress to Help Reform Health Care, Protect Human Life and Dignity
Bishop William Murphy, July 17, 2009

Background on Help Reform Health Care, Protect Human Life and Dignity
July 17, 2009

Action Alert - Celebrate Independence Day and Help Reform Health Care
July 2, 2009

Action Alert - Help Reform Health Care
June 2, 2009

USCCB Health Care Statement to Congress
Bishop William F. Murphy, May 20, 2009

Backgrounder on Pregnant Women Support Act
updated with new bill numbers for 111th Congress
May 2009

Letter to US Congress on 2009 Budget
Bishop William F. Murphy and Bishop Howard J. Hubbard
March 26, 2009

Action Alert - Urge Continued Conscience Protection in Health Care
March 24, 2009
 
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A practical example of socialized medicine;

Since last April and loosing BCBS I have gone on the VA as I am a retired vet and have that option though its a last resort for medical coverage.

Since then, my cholesterol has gone up over 250 and triglycerides up over 577 and I can't get the VA doctor to prescribe anything yet. I will be contacting the patient advocate this week to complain.

5 months ago, with the meds my private Dr. had me on, my numbers were normal and I requested the same meds when I went over to the VA.

I was shuffled out the door without them pending lipid tests despite the history I showed. The first test came back high after a month without the meds but according to my Indian Dr., not high enough for treatment and scheduled me for another check three months later which I just took a couple weeks ago.

In the past 4 months, with two lipid tests since first going off the meds, my levels are through the roof again.

Ive been on Cholesterol meds for 4 years. But everything I said to this VA Dr. went in one ear and out the other without her own tests and trials. Meanwhile exactly what I showed her from past tests is happening and its as if I have no input.

Well after this last test that shows 577 for triglycerides (which should be 150) she sends me Niacin through the mail which takes a week to arrive and I am allergic to and can't take anyway, without even talking to me. They send Niacin because they ration meds and are mandated to try the cheapest or generics first. I found this out while on active duty years ago.

I hope your all ready for socialized medicine where your at the mercy of an incompetent Dr. as a prime care provider you have no choice of who decides what you do or do not need. All who voted for this admin will deserve it!

Not to mention, there is no waiting line less than 50 people long.

I would never have gotten laid off in the first place without this radical! How many millions of jobs have been lost under this radical already. Wake up America! Can you tell it ticks me off?

If I had something more serious to be treated I would likely choose an ER or to die before letting the incompetent VA get near me or set through their inefficient bureaucracy for days to just hope I got what I needed when real doctors have already done the work for them but who I can't afford to pay out of pocket.

I demand the same exact medical insurance as the politicians have or they can take thier stealth foca and euthanasia and shove it!

Congress has the very best coverage of anyone, probably the best in the world.

I know what socialized medicine will be like becuase we lived with it here for years and years before Katrina took it all the way out.

For people around here, two word sum it all up...Charity Hospital.

It was originally built for the indigenous ppl by some weatly do good guy and for years it was run by the sisters of Mercy. It was where ppl with no money could get health care and guess when it fell apart? When the state took it over.

It became a seriously under funded, disgusting, dirty place to have to go where if you didn't get there at, at least 4 am, you wouldn't get seen that day and I am NOT exaggerating one bit. When you did get seen you would just state what was wrong with you, get a quick look over and then an appointment would be set up and that appointment would be at least 6 months to a year down the line. We have known ppl who died waiting for their appointment.

All of the resources went to the trauma unit... aka, gun shots... gang bangers shooting themselves to death on the streets over drugs.

This is the kind of stuff everyone can look forward to and if abortion remains part of this mess, then the Catholic health care services will pull out-- that's 15 % of our system... so two words ppl, Charity Hospital and only those familiar with this area know what I'm talking about.
 
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Interest in living wills began after the Terry Schiavo case. But how can a person make an educated decision about what to put in his/her living will unless he knows exactly what his options are in certain situations?

Anyone who wants to make a living will should be able to discuss different end of life care options with knowledgeable, compassionate people who are there to help the writer articulate his own desires, not to dictate what those desires should be.

And, according to the polls, 94% of those who supported Michael Schiavo's decision and 45% of those who opposed it wanted living wills in order to insure that they would never be kept alive as Terry Schiavo was, a fate they considered worse than death (this is quoted as a statistic, not my opinion.)

94% of those who agreed that Schiavo’s tube should be removed said they would want the same for themselves in a similar situation, while those who opposed removal were split 45% to 41%, with the former wishing for their own removal.

TakeFive: More About Terri Schiavo - by Anne Neumann

And so, if anything in Washington spurred interest in "end of life counseling" it was the Terry Schiavo case.
 
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