Noahs flood was regional

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I'm amazed at how many delusions are creeping in between our brothers and sisters in America. Noah's flood was worldwide and stating anything different from that contradicts the word of God.

Matthew 24:39 : The Lord clearly says the flood exterminated everybody who did not believe Noah.

2 Peter 3:6 : The world, overflowed by water, perished...

And how about God's promise not to send another such flood? If it was only local, do you realise how many times God's mord must have been broken until 2015 A.D?
 
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No delusion on my part, I believe I have a good understanding of how the Church understands Scriptures. Unlike the fundamentalist protestants, we don't feel the veracity of our faith relies on every word of the scriptures being literally and factually true.

Note, if one actually reads what I wrote, they will see that I'm not questioning whether or not the flood was universal.

So hold off on the judgment that your brothers and sisters in America are "deluded" when the vast majority of your countrymen (I'm assuming you're in Bulgaria) don't even attend liturgy on a regular basis.

Thank you
 
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Oh yes it matters!

I'm amazed at how many delusions are creeping in between our brothers and sisters in America. Noah's flood was worldwide and stating anything different from that contradicts the word of God.

Matthew 24:39 : The Lord clearly says the flood exterminated everybody who did not believe Noah.

2 Peter 3:6 : The world, overflowed by water, perished...

And how about God's promise not to send another such flood? If it was only local, do you realise how many times God's mord must have been broken until 2015 A.D?

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St. Theohilus, To Autolycus 3.18
For Plato, as we said above, when he had demonstrated that a deluge had happened, said that it extended not over the whole earth, but only over the plains, and that those who fled to the highest hills saved themselves. But others say that there existed Deucalion and Pyrrha, and that they were preserved in a chest; and that Deucalion, after he came out of the chest, flung stones behind him, and that men were produced from the stones; from which circumstance they say that men in the mass are named "people." Others, again, say that Clymenus existed in a second flood. From what has already been said, it is evident that they who wrote such things and philosophized to so little purpose are miserable, and very profane and senseless persons. But Moses, our prophet and the servant of God, in giving an account of the genesis of the world, related in what manner the flood came upon the earth, telling us, besides, how the details of the flood came about, and relating no fable of Pyrrha nor of Deucalion or Clymenus; nor, forsooth, that only the plains were submerged, and that those only who escaped to the mountains were saved.

The Venerable Bede, Commentary on 2 Peter, CCSL 121.270 in Commentary on the 7 Catholic Epistles p. 137:
The world inhabited by those who existed before the Flood is the very same world in which the human race no lives, but it is nonetheless properly said to be the ‘ancient world,’ as if it were another, because, as is found written in the following parts of the Epistle, ‘the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished; (2 Pet. 3:6), namely, both the heavens that existed formerly (cf. 2 Pet. 3:5) (that is, all the spaces of this present stormy atmosphere) were destroyed by the height of the increasing waters and the land, too, was changed to another appearance by the destructive waters. For although some mountains and valleys are believed to have been in existence from the beginning, yet they were not the same size as they are now seen to be throughout the entire world. Perhaps this could be denied, except that even now we see the appearance of the land changed every year by the eroding waters. This action is believed to have been all the greater then in proportion to the stronger and longer-lasting force of the waters that surged up over and washed away the land.

St. Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 1
6. God’s righteous judgment brought a flood on the world and wiped all humanity out, and all other living things. . . . 7. So eight human beings were preserved in the ark then from the water of the flood . . . 8. And thus a tenth generation had passed making 2262 years. And the flood came to an end, and Noah and his household provided the world with a surviving stock.

St. Gregory Palamas, Homily 22.7, On the Same Feast [Ascension], Referring Also to Passions and Virtues:
It is attested that Adam’s son Abel seemed well-pleasing and acceptable to God in the very beginning (cf. Gen. 4:4). Then not long after our fall, Enos “hoped to call upon the Lord” (cf. Gen. 4:26 LXX). As for Enoch, he not only pleased God but was also taken by Him (Gen. 5:24), becoming a clear sign of His compassions towards us fallen men. Once more sin gained momentum, and once more God turned away from the human race and we were justly given over to a universal flood. But yet again His wrath was not unmitigated, nor His judgment merciless. God found Noah righteous in his generation (Gen. 6:9ff), and miraculously preserved him as a second root of mankind, as if He were providentially pruning the human race as it ran wild, but not destroying it by cutting it down or uprooting it.
 
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Oh yes it matters!

I'm amazed at how many delusions are creeping in between our brothers and sisters in America. Noah's flood was worldwide and stating anything different from that contradicts the word of God.

Matthew 24:39 : The Lord clearly says the flood exterminated everybody who did not believe Noah.

2 Peter 3:6 : The world, overflowed by water, perished...

And how about God's promise not to send another such flood? If it was only local, do you realise how many times God's mord must have been broken until 2015 A.D?

The Pharisees made similar statements....
 
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St. Theohilus, To Autolycus 3.18


The Venerable Bede, Commentary on 2 Peter, CCSL 121.270 in Commentary on the 7 Catholic Epistles p. 137:


St. Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 1


St. Gregory Palamas, Homily 22.7, On the Same Feast [Ascension], Referring Also to Passions and Virtues:


After death so you should be able to show scientific proofs of your position.
 
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the Flood had to be worldwide because the rainbow is the sign that God would never Flood the world again the way He did in Noah's generation. there have been many regional floods since, but the only one that has never happened is a global Flood.
 
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the Flood had to be worldwide because the rainbow is the sign that God would never Flood the world again the way He did in Noah's generation. there have been many regional floods since, but the only one that has never happened is a global Flood.


Proof please of a 5,000 year old worldwide flood. It is after the fall so scientific proof is required.
 
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Proof please of a 5,000 year old worldwide flood. It is after the fall so scientific proof is required.

the Flood was also a supernatural change, since the Floodgates were opened from both the sky and under the earth, and that there was no rain before that time. so science will neither prove or disprove the Flood, any more than science can prove or disprove the Resurrection.
 
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the Flood was also a supernatural change, since the Floodgates were opened from both the sky and under the earth, and that there was no rain before that time. so science will neither prove or disprove the Flood, any more than science can prove or disprove the Resurrection.

Sorry but a earth wide flood would leave evidence God did not change physical laws after the fall as the YEC said in the other thread.

So proof please :)
 
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After death so you should be able to show scientific proofs of your position.

Seventh, thank you for at least being attentive to what we are saying! :thumbsup: it's more than i can say for some.
 
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