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Uh Huh.By the grace of God I could
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Uh Huh.By the grace of God I could
anytime a believer uses the word of God the word has authority. A baby christian can say to a devil I cast you out in Jesus name and the power and authority from Jesus can cast them out.This is the same with the word of God and any who speak it. The power is in the word. The word of God is quick and powerful, it is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heartOf course it is. But not every Christian has the authority to COMMAND it.
God gives the gifts to the body and teachers is one of those gifts, Paul said he was an apostle not of men or by men, but of God.O
Of course the word of God has authority. But we need someone to interpret it for us rightly -- think of all the people who read the Bible and reach heretical conclusions. That takes a special person. That's why in Acts 6 they ORDAINED just seven to teach the word.
yes, and I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me. But without Christ we can do nothing. The first foundation to be laid would be Jesus Christ and our reliance on him for all things and all ministry and gifts and lifeUh Huh.
really? are you kidding? what was going on at the time of the first laying on of hands by Peter and John? The Holy Spirit was working thru Phillip whisking him away from there to bring him to an Ethiopian enuch.but of those five gifts, only the pastor/presbyter ordained.
Not every Christian has the authority to command and teach, even if they use the word of God. And thank goodness because so many of us have strange ideas what the Bible means. Take you for instance, you think it's a sin to meet inside a Church.anytime a believer uses the word of God the word has authority.
Laying on of hands is used for more than one reason. Three that come to mind are ordination, baptism in the holy spirit, and anointing of the sick.really? are you kidding? what was going on at the time of the first laying on of hands by Peter and John? The Holy Spirit was working thru Phillip whisking him away from there to bring him to an Ethiopian enuch.
Christians often mix up their own ideas and intuitions and emotions with the leading of the holy spirit. It leads to thousands of different denominations, not to mention all the disagreements here in the forum. It has led you to believe that only housechurches are the only arrangement meant by God; nothing further need be said.No, ALL things are revealed by the spirit
so again which is it that only one person can do? ordination is from God, baptism is from God and healing is from God. Each is for a particular ministry from God. Any tradition that acts in the place of God to claim human authority is false.Laying on of hands is used for more than one reason. Three that come to mind are ordination, baptism in the holy spirit, and anointing of the sick.
Oh look. Someone who claims that Christianity has always been wrong and that they have figured it all out and know how to do Christianity the "right way" and is here to lecture everyone.
Haven't seen that one before.
-CryptoLutheran
Christians often mix up their own ideas and intuitions and emotions with the leading of the holy spirit. It leads to thousands of different denominations, not to mention all the disagreements here in the forum. It has led you to believe that only housechurches are the only arrangement meant by God; nothing further need be said.
I never said they weren't from God. They are sacraments, which give grace. That's not the point of my remark, though.so again which is it that only one person can do? ordination is from God, baptism is from God and healing is from God. Each is for a particular ministry from God. Any tradition that acts in the place of God to claim human authority is false.
I think they call this an impasse. We are going to have to disagree agreeably. And technically you are misrepresenting me. A building is not THE church. It is A church.I have seen and lives in the truths I speak of here. The scripture is very clear about these things.
i would say that so many have been brainwashed and conditioned to believe thier man made traditions that make the word of God of no effect that they cannot see the clarity of scripture. for example you still think that a man made building of brick and mortar is the church. Yet Jesus is not building that, he builds with living stones a spiritual house, and we are the body of Christ and members in particular. he is the head of the church and works in every part. These are sound truths that i have never heard any man refute from scripture yet in all my almost 30 years of ministry. Not one biblical rebuke of them
I never said they weren't from God. They are sacraments, which give grace. That's not the point of my remark, though.
You don't believe it. I do--I have experienced it. Again, agree to disagree.sacraments ( so called) don't give grace, no grace can be merited by works
They are sacred and as such are given to the body of Christ. The church as the body has a responsibilty to bring all the gifts of God forward. We are His kings and priests, which Peter knew better than anyone from what he has written, but his words and epistles are ignored to exult humanism that has crept in to the church from the beginning.I never said they weren't from God. They are sacraments, which give grace. That's not the point of my remark, though.
Of course people defend their interpretation. That's what you have been doing too.I find that when share some truth from scripture, many people have been involved in a religious system or tradition for so long that they immediately try to defend their tradition. But if we are all open to receive the word from scripture God will work in those that believe by his word. The word is powerful and quick and sharp and breaks the rocks in pieces.
No I only share the truth of scripture according to the word of God.
mans traditions have trapped the church in this form for centuries. We see men Like martin Luther and other reformers who may have had the same accusation against them. I can hear men saying to Luther and other reformers. What" are you saying the whole church is wrong?, and you only know the truth. or even when Jesus rebuked the entire religious system they must have thought similar. We must be faithful to the truth God shows in scripture regardless of how mens traditions have dominated for centuries.
I havent figured it all out. But what the Lord has shown me has been grounded in truth and scripture and i have seen the church meeting in homes for almost 20 years in many places. it is a glorious meeting