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No Divorce and Remarriage for Adultery (L)

Discussion in 'Married Couples' started by LinkH, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    I have heard that a very conservative interpretation of Christ's words on divorce is to say that He allowed for divorce in the case where a bride is found not to be a virgin, and that otherwise, He did not allow for it. The reason is Christ said, "except it be for fornication".

    It seems that John Piper holds to a similar view. He doesn't say anything about divorce in the case where a man marries a woman and finds out she is not a virgin. He gives the example of Joseph and Mary, where Joseph at first had in mind to put her away privately, thinking she had given away her virginity to someone else while being betrothed to him. This is a short video. Any comments?

    Does the Bible allow for divorce in the case of adultery? - YouTube
     
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  2. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    I've just told DH that he has Biblical grounds to divorce me. He responded with ''yes dear''. Oldest daughter said ''wasn't that written like, 500 years ago, like Shakespearean times?'' I don't know which annoys me more, excessive use of the word 'like', or the fact she thinks the Bible authors were peers of Shakespeare.
     
  3. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    According to Piper, divorce is only acceptable if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married. Why is female virginity upon marriage, so important?
     
  4. Created2Write

    Created2Write His Pink Princess

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    I don't agree with Piper at all. I was not a virgin when I married either. I think the importance, though, comes from the fact that fornication is indeed a sin. God did not intend for sex to occur outside of marriage in anyway. I don't think that a lack of virginity means that a divorce should occur, though. I think adultery is a far more justifiable reason than finding out your spouse wasn't a virgin. That's nonsense, imo.
     
  5. Created2Write

    Created2Write His Pink Princess

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    ROFLOL.
     
  6. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    Just to clarify, Piper did not go into detail and explicitly say it was about whether a woman was a virgin at marriage. I mentioned that because I inferred from what he said that that was what he was referring to.

    Piper gave the example of Joseph and Mary, where Joseph wanted to put Mary away, thinking she had lost her virginity. He may not even have in mind going through with consumating the marriage. I will edit my original post.

    The passage about stoning a woman who was not a virgin at marriage is a specific case. The man has paid the bride price for virgins to the father of the bride. Then he finds her not a maid.

    Here, there was some deception involved. The young woman apparently does not speak up and say that she had lost her virginity.

    Priests were not allowed to marry widows from other tribes or 'defiled women'--as one translation puts it. I suppose a 'defiled woman' could marry, but without the bride price for virgins.

    So I don't think if one takes this teaching of Christ to refer to situations where a man pays a bride price and finds out that his wife is not a virgin as a reason for the man to hold a 'divorce card' for the rest of the marriage. In the Old Testament case, apparently the groom has the issue settled right away.

    Something important to note about these passages is how much God values virginity.
     
  7. AmberNikki80

    AmberNikki80 Newbie

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    I agree 100% :clap: If my husband wanted to divorce me because I wasn't a virgin I would help him pack his bags.
     
  8. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    Well, female virginity anyway. It's seems silly to me that God would be so squeamish about women who lost their virginity before marriage.
     
  9. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    Perhaps your values are not the same as God's on this issue. God values sexual purity, which is not popular in our culture.


    Wherefore the law is holy, just, and good.
     
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    AmberNikki80 Newbie

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    Jesus also saved a prostitute from being stoned. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
     

  11. All sexual purity? Or only sexual purity for females?
     
  12. Created2Write

    Created2Write His Pink Princess

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    It's not just females. God desires sexual purity from all of us.
     

  13. I was asking LinkH.
     
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    LinkH Regular Member

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    God requires sexual purity of all. The death penalty for not being a virgin was for women. There was at least one sexual crime that men could commit but not women for which one could receive the death penalty under the Old Testament.
     
  15. Created2Write

    Created2Write His Pink Princess

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    I wasn't responding to your question, which is why I didn't quote you. A few people in the thread had asked, generally, if sexual purity is only required of females. I was giving my opinion.

    Sheesh.
     
  16. Johnnz

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    He does, but it's not in the "You broke my rules" framework. God's ways are true life for us. When we do something outside of how its meant to be, we diminish ourselves. That's what sin does.

    In contrast Jesus gives us life, whereas the thief takes away. We must see holiness apart from not doing wrong. Rather, we should be telling what God's life is.

    John
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  17. Created2Write

    Created2Write His Pink Princess

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    Great post. :)
     
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    There's nothing that could negate the meaning of:

    Joseph was warned not to put Mary away, even though he had a right to if he presumed their engagement was null and void in her supposed lack of vrginity.

    AND

    That Jesus meant that during marriage, one commits adultery, the offended spouse leaves and marries that it is ok.

    One does not rule out the other.
     
  19. Nienna_Lady_of_Tears

    Nienna_Lady_of_Tears Veteran

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    This belief is based in the fact that only in ONE of the Gospels does Jesus mention the adultery clause. I believe that one is Matthew. The others leave that out entirely.
     
  20. Johnnz

    Johnnz Senior Veteran

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    That's not accurate. God spoke to Joseph as the one responsible for Mary's pregnancy. That's quite a difference. Plus back, then betrothal was considered as tantamount to marriage and intercourse required marriage to take place.

    John
    NZ
     
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