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I need to explain this a bit more. I grew up in communities that still had sacrifice in them. The men of these communities were very concerned about debt. If the community didn't have money for a facility such as a hospital, the men of the community from all walks of life would work together to build such a facility or a road or whatever was needed. This happened often. The farmers and businessmen were very hard-working, never or rarely took vacations, saved for the education of their children, sacrificed very much for their wives and served their families. If someone was a full-blown alcoholic, he was pitied and often allowed to sleep in a porch or a barn and he was given compensation if he worked even an hour for someone.

If, after all of the hard and back-breaking work this farmers did day after day for their families and for their communities, anyone should have ever come into such communities and told these men that they should build such an alcoholic man a house of his own and give such a man free money and that the community should even go into debt for such a man - that person would have been committed to an institution faster than the alcoholic.

And the women and children of these men would never have called their hard-working husbands and fathers arrogant for their love of their country, families and communities. Many of my ancestors were honourable men of sacrifice who would do anything they could for those they loved and the country they loved. It is my responsibility as their heir and as a child of God to do the same.

You will never convince me of incorruption in the welfare system because I've talked to too many people, social workers, ex-social workers, patrons of women's shelters, disabled or those who professed to be etc. who have all told me of the corruption. It's rampant. And many of these people told me these things without knowing at all about my own experience in the system.

I do hope that your efforts to help people will have fruit but I am very, very skeptical. There has to be another way. But I will post more about what I feel is the difference between socialism and capitalism and maybe I'll find answers to the responses of those posts.
I see so it is either become a termite and thus work like hell till you drop or nothing?

There is such a thing as EDUCATION! If a society has the required education then that society can work 8 hours, have 8 hours of recreation and 8 hours rest. Your system is no different to the ant societies.

Sorry but I want to work to live and not live to work!

Here are the fruits of free market: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGSiqow9k4http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/chile-rising/
 
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I see so it is either become a termite and thus work like hell till you drop or nothing?

But you are debt free and sooner or later the work load gets less. But, yes, life is hard. Always has been.

There is such a thing as EDUCATION! If a society has the required education then that society can work 8 hours, have 8 hours of recreation and 8 hours rest. Your system is no different to the ant societies.

These people didn't enjoy work and especially the hard work that they did do. They just had to do it. They had no choice. Machines have made things much easier but still, life is hard.

Sorry but I want to work to live and not live to work!

Don't you want to sacrifice for your country and the next generation?

Here are the fruits of free market

Yes, the free market has fruits but compare this with communism and the destruction of the environment under communism. Capitalism is very kind to the environment compared to communism. Just think of the Aral Sea. A guy who lived over there said the communists had no concern for that see and simply went about destroying as they pleased.
 
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But you are debt free and sooner or later the work load gets less. But, yes, life is hard. Always has been.
So were slaves!



These people didn't enjoy work and especially the hard work that they did do. They just had to do it. They had no choice. Machines have made things much easier but still, life is hard.
Rubbish; Before Neo Liberalism wreaked havoc with Western Europe, we had a higher quality of life and we enjoyed life. Europe which had National Health Systems, 1 month yearly holidays, free education, etc also produced Ferraris, Mercedes, Airbus, Haute couture, etc.



Don't you want to sacrifice for your country and the next generation?
Are you a communist:confused: You sound like one since you believe in perpetual sacrifice!



Yes, the free market has fruits but compare this with communism and the destruction of the environment under communism. Capitalism is very kind to the environment compared to communism. Just think of the Aral Sea. A guy who lived over there said the communists had no concern for that see and simply went about destroying as they pleased.
You are in want of travel and historical erudition. Ah yes the fruits of Neo Liberalism: Global economic crises every ten years! Way to go Goldman Sachs and offshore havens!
 
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So were slaves!

Rubbish; Before Neo Liberalism wreaked havoc with Western Europe, we had a higher quality of life and we enjoyed life. Europe which had National Health Systems, 1 month yearly holidays, free education, etc also produced Ferraris, Mercedes, Airbus, Haute couture, etc.

Are you a communist:confused: You sound like one since you believe in perpetual sacrifice!

You are in want of travel and historical erudition. Ah yes the fruits of Neo Liberalism: Global economic crises every ten years! Way to go Goldman Sachs and offshore havens!

Several things:

Can I say something about the "big boys" who are CEO's in real life? I have worked with a fellow who is being considered for executive positions in the company I work for. He was top of his class in university and has an MBA. He is physically fit and works hard. He has a photographic memory and can look at forty cards in a row and repeat them in sequence. He knows accounting practices and principles inside an out and understands legal issues like nobody else does. This is the type of man that is considered for advancements to such positions as a CEO. CEO's for the most part in private enterprise have to be outstanding men who must remember many details about many things because they cannot always write down everything and who must make decisions that can affect thousands. The people who rise to the top of the company I work for have to be brilliant at something.

Is this true of such people as social workers (education was mentioned by someone)? I once met a 3rd social sciences student. He had been in Canada for many years but still didn't know what the word "liberal" meant politically. He could hardly write. I was and have been left with the distinct impression that the main criteria for a social sciences degree is political correctness. It is one of the easiest degrees to get.

I work with well educated people many of whom make less than me. That's life out in the real world of private enterprise. Many people who work for the government truly believe that they are not paid enough just because they have four years of university. We don't get it. I have had education worth three years of university and have worked with many who have had more but life is life. I know a lab tech who has worked for the government for years. She intentionally works at a contract job in the newspaper industry that can pay as low as $4.00/hr. She has told me she does this to keep her feet on the ground because she says that working for the government can make one delusional about real issues.

Here are two examples of people who left the field of social work. I work with a former corrections officer who was also with low-income housing. He had to get out. He couldn't handle the wastage of government money and the scamming. He told me so. I met the son of a Jamaican social worker who had five children. He told his family he couldn't do it anymore. He left the income and all of the benefits because he told his family he couldn't keep taking children out of people's homes for money for the social welfare industry. He left for alot less money in private enterprise but he was much happier.

A woman told me that when her children were taken away from her by the CAS, she was told by the social worker that they had a quota to fill and her children were part of that quota.

Yes there are business people who are NDPers/leftists. They hold to such views because they are in it for themselves. I was told by an employee of the biggest book chain in Canada that they have such theft as would drive them out of business. But he told me that they are subsidized by the government so that they don't go out of business. The woman who runs the company is as leftist as possible and has made sure the government bails her out. What does she end up taking home? Millions. Why doesn't she accept the losses?

Remember that the world banker's are like pimps who introduce drugs to their prostitutes. After a while the prostitute is so indebted to the pimp that she will never go free. Social services is the same. We become addicted to it and the world banker waits until he or she owns half the country. Who is to blame for the debt? The prostitute is to blame for her debt because she took the drugs. We are to blame for our debt because each of us in a small or big way took more money from the government than we paid back.

When companies are about to go bankrupt, those of us on the right feel they should close their doors. But the left always raises it's ugly head to demand bail-outs and to keep the company going. It makes us angry. Even if it is a company we work for, if the company isn't making money, then something better should be replacing it.

You speak of unions which are as leftist as can be. A guy who worked in a non-union role as a security guard on construction sites told me that the main unions (plumbing, electrical, HVAC, carpenters, labourers etc.) make sure that no non-union workers get on the job site - except for one exception. The union workers bring on their illegal/under-the-table immigrants undetected in the late evenings to make money off of their cheap labour. Typical union behaviour.

I am not a communist. I believe that everyone should receive the fruits of their labour. If someone works hard and starts a business and makes a million bucks, God bless them. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. The newspaper carrier might have the love of a family whereas the millionaire might not. God is good and we need to trust Him.
Jesus Christ died, he suffered and died, just so that we could have life.

The small sacrifices I have made in my life are nothing compared to that of the Christ I must be like. What sacrifices are you making that are equal to that of Jesus? And if you believe welfare is working, then go into private enterprise, earn lots of money, and then buy an apartment and freely house an alcoholic in that apartment. Give that alcoholic money for food and clothes so he doesn't have to work. If your generousity transforms his life, then great. I've gone to open-AA meetings and I've never heard of such a thing transforming a person's life (it's always when they hit rock bottom that they make the change) but maybe it will. The most important thing is that it is your money, not the taxpayers.
 
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Why should private enterprise exclude a social welfare state? Before Neo Liberalism took hold of Europe we had both private enterprise and social state foundations. So long as a single citizen cannot afford medical care then that society is in want. So long as people live on the streets and eat from refuse bins then that is the mark of a failed society. Let us take the Scandinavian countries as an example: The place where Volvos and Saabs were made, and where their system by any American standards would be considered "Evil Socialist". Do you think they were suffering? Their standard of education was higher and life expectancy higher than America. Their economies were stable and people enjoyed 1 month long yearly holidays. Obviously this system worked!

The propaganda that Americans have endured for decades where the very mention of the word "Socialism" conjured up in their imagination scenes from Dantes hell, has made a deep impact in American society.

I have no problem with that but the fact that Friedman's model of Neo Liberalism was exported to the rest of the world and ever since then we are experiencing a global economic crisis every decade or so is testament to the failure of Neo Liberalism. Europe is on the verge of social revolution unseen since the French revolution. We have more unemployment now and homeless people then we had since the last war. All this thanks to Neo Liberalism. It used to be that a CEO made 20 times that of the normal employee in his company; Now he makes a thousand times more.

Neo Liberalism is destroying the middle class. It is destroying family ties, religious customs, national identities and all for what? So that some filthy rich speculators can become even more rich?

It is hubris to state that only CEOs are educated enough. Lest you forget; We can live without the CEOs but can they live without us?

Bankers and speculators are no better than the drug barons of Colombia.

They are the thugs of modern societies and their time will soon come for we do not want to eat cake! :wave:
 
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Why should private enterprise exclude a social welfare state?

Private enterprise should exclude a welfare state because we need to understand the affects of our actions. If I drink and drink and destroy my liver - I should pay for the results of this. Why should anyone else pay for the results of my actions? Why should I be able to smoke and get lung cancer and have someone else pay for it? If I want to be lazy and not get an education and not deal with my problems and not develope relationships, that should be my problem - not yours or anyone else's.

So long as a single citizen cannot afford medical care then that society is in want. So long as people live on the streets and eat from refuse bins then that is the mark of a failed society.

Really? Jesus told us we would always have the poor with us because we would always have personal sin. Welfare benefits have only increased addiction and sin, not decreased it.

Let us take the Scandinavian countries as an example: The place where Volvos and Saabs were made, and where their system by any American standards would be considered "Evil Socialist". Do you think they were suffering? Their standard of education was higher and life expectancy higher than America. Their economies were stable and people enjoyed 1 month long yearly holidays. Obviously this system worked!

Are you serious? I met an ex-Swede just three years ago who was in law enforcement. He left Sweden because so many guns are pouring into that country that he and his extended family are leaving as fast as they can.

The propaganda that Americans have endured for decades where the very mention of the word "Socialism" conjured up in their imagination scenes from Dantes hell, has made a deep impact in American society.

Thank God Americans are fighting socialism. We as Canadians simply sat back and accepted irresponsibility and did not fight at all for accountability. The world bankers had no problem with Canadians.

I have no problem with that but the fact that Friedman's model of Neo Liberalism was exported to the rest of the world.

Believe me, the problems in real society at the level I work at (try to spend a year away from public servants to clear your mind of their crap) have nothing to do with neo-liberalism or CEO's. The store I work at has a hard enough time simply dealing with theft and laziness and people lying about returns and worker's rights and workers taking sick days off when they aren't sick and worker's disobeying their supervisors. We have to buy almost all of our products from China because they know how to work hard and can produce affordable products. We have to put up with personal income taxes and taxes at all levels of marketing just to feed the welfare state. The CEO of my company, a company in the top 10 or 15 retailers of Canada, makes around a million a year. That's pittance for all of the cares and worries he deals with. No one cares about Neo Liberalism or even wants to know about it. They just want to survive. Factories and job sites in Ontario employ illegal immigrants under the table just to stay alive otherwise almost all business would leave Ontario.

Neo Liberalism is destroying the middle class. It is destroying family ties, religious customs, national identities and all for what? So that some filthy rich speculators can become even more rich?

Personal irresponsibility and selfishness and socialism destroy families and cultures. It has nothing to do with speculators. For centuries parents took care of children and children took care of parents. Now social workers are invading families just to keep their budgets and children are turning against parents. Parents are abandoning their responsibilities for a welfare cheque. It's disgusting and the social workers are sitting back enjoying their high income as a result and deluding themselves that they are so important.

It is hubris to state that only CEOs are educated enough. Lest you forget; We can live without the CEOs but can they live without us?

We cannot live without authority. This is the problem with the left. You honestly think there is such a thing as equality and egalitarianism in the world. You think that we actually have rights. When I go to work, I don't "work with" my boss, I obey him. And he obeys his boss. Everyone has a different sphere of responsibility. Children obey their parents, drivers obey driving laws, ministers obey the Bible, workers obey their bosses, CEO's obey the investors, investors obey whom they are supposed to. When I walk into a woman's house, I obey that woman who is in charge of that house. When I lived in the shelter I had to obey the shelter workers even if they tried to delude me with my "rights". We have to obey the laws of God and of nature. To have millions of people on social benefits obeying no one is to create unmitigated diseastor.

Bankers and speculators are no better than the drug barons of Colombia.

But you obligate society to them when you are part of that group of people putting our country into debt to them. I agree that they are no better than the drug barons (but you insist on giving welfare money to drug addict after drug addict to support these drug barons). The left will never deal with the bankers because you need them and they need you.

They are the thugs of modern societies and their time will soon come for we do not want to eat cake!

I was taking to an ex-nurse the other day. We both agreed strongly that all of those welfare addicts that waste years of their lives on the dole sitting around doing nothing are the biggest problem in the world. Many, many, many people are sick and tired of those bloodsuckers and their time will come and probably by the hand of one of their own.

Where, by the way, do you get your news? If you get your news from major news sources and government circles, from other government workers and your union, you might want to reconsider. Whenever I speak with government employees, they are usually so out of touch with life in the main that it's impossible to carry on a conversation. And people in the government who understand real life have told me that their fellows are usually so out of touch with reality that they keep conversation down to a bare minimum. I'm not lieing when I say these things. I hear crazy stories about what happens in the government and I meet many who have left the government with all of its cradle to the grave benefits just so that they can face real life.

Where is your sense of personal responsibility? Where is sacrifice and love and where is reality? Where is the love of Christ and the acceptance of our crosses that we must bear. Jesus did not stand up for any of His rights. He submitted totally to the Father and we should also do the same thing. We should be like him.

Jesus said in Luke 17:10, "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'" We are Christ's slaves. This is a daily challenge to me. What does God want me to do? Am I being faithful? Am I being thankful? Am I being responsible? Am I loving my fellow man? There is nothing in my relationship with God that deals with rights and shaking the fist at authority and going on strike and being envious of those who make more money than I do. Nothing at all.

How are you enslaving yourself to God? How is bearing your own cross going? Are you getting to know Christ?
 
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While I am still interacting with you, I have a question about Islam and Israel. A government worker in Ontario communicated with me that Islam is really being pushed by the Ontario government in a way that is absurb. Do you see this? Someone told me that Muslims are really moving into the low-income housing scene in order to gain benefits for Muslims. Is this true? I know of a guy in housing who is having a hard time with the caretaker of the building because he is Muslim and discriminating in favour of Muslims but what is your perspective? I have a Christian friend whose sons were being told in kindergarten by the Muslim young students that no one should be praying to God as a father (as in the Lord's prayer). My friend was surprised at this.

On another and more strange note, is there any talk about what is happening in Israel with the rounding up of Africans into containment camps? The African-Canadians I speak with say they don't care. One man told me that Africans in general probably deserve it, even though he is also African. I have heard this from others from that continent and am puzzled. And what about the Palestinian issue? What is the NDP position on that?

I'm also curious about what NDPers are saying in Canada on the Iranian issue?

Is there a human rights concern among social activists about any of these issues? Just curious. I find that many, even in private enterprise, find the Middle East to be off their radar.
 
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Private enterprise should exclude a welfare state because we need to understand the affects of our actions. If I drink and drink and destroy my liver - I should pay for the results of this. Why should anyone else pay for the results of my actions? Why should I be able to smoke and get lung cancer and have someone else pay for it? If I want to be lazy and not get an education and not deal with my problems and not develope relationships, that should be my problem - not yours or anyone else's.



Really? Jesus told us we would always have the poor with us because we would always have personal sin. Welfare benefits have only increased addiction and sin, not decreased it.



Are you serious? I met an ex-Swede just three years ago who was in law enforcement. He left Sweden because so many guns are pouring into that country that he and his extended family are leaving as fast as they can.



Thank God Americans are fighting socialism. We as Canadians simply sat back and accepted irresponsibility and did not fight at all for accountability. The world bankers had no problem with Canadians.



Believe me, the problems in real society at the level I work at (try to spend a year away from public servants to clear your mind of their crap) have nothing to do with neo-liberalism or CEO's. The store I work at has a hard enough time simply dealing with theft and laziness and people lying about returns and worker's rights and workers taking sick days off when they aren't sick and worker's disobeying their supervisors. We have to buy almost all of our products from China because they know how to work hard and can produce affordable products. We have to put up with personal income taxes and taxes at all levels of marketing just to feed the welfare state. The CEO of my company, a company in the top 10 or 15 retailers of Canada, makes around a million a year. That's pittance for all of the cares and worries he deals with. No one cares about Neo Liberalism or even wants to know about it. They just want to survive. Factories and job sites in Ontario employ illegal immigrants under the table just to stay alive otherwise almost all business would leave Ontario.



Personal irresponsibility and selfishness and socialism destroy families and cultures. It has nothing to do with speculators. For centuries parents took care of children and children took care of parents. Now social workers are invading families just to keep their budgets and children are turning against parents. Parents are abandoning their responsibilities for a welfare cheque. It's disgusting and the social workers are sitting back enjoying their high income as a result and deluding themselves that they are so important.



We cannot live without authority. This is the problem with the left. You honestly think there is such a thing as equality and egalitarianism in the world. You think that we actually have rights. When I go to work, I don't "work with" my boss, I obey him. And he obeys his boss. Everyone has a different sphere of responsibility. Children obey their parents, drivers obey driving laws, ministers obey the Bible, workers obey their bosses, CEO's obey the investors, investors obey whom they are supposed to. When I walk into a woman's house, I obey that woman who is in charge of that house. When I lived in the shelter I had to obey the shelter workers even if they tried to delude me with my "rights". We have to obey the laws of God and of nature. To have millions of people on social benefits obeying no one is to create unmitigated diseastor.



But you obligate society to them when you are part of that group of people putting our country into debt to them. I agree that they are no better than the drug barons (but you insist on giving welfare money to drug addict after drug addict to support these drug barons). The left will never deal with the bankers because you need them and they need you.



I was taking to an ex-nurse the other day. We both agreed strongly that all of those welfare addicts that waste years of their lives on the dole sitting around doing nothing are the biggest problem in the world. Many, many, many people are sick and tired of those bloodsuckers and their time will come and probably by the hand of one of their own.

Where, by the way, do you get your news? If you get your news from major news sources and government circles, from other government workers and your union, you might want to reconsider. Whenever I speak with government employees, they are usually so out of touch with life in the main that it's impossible to carry on a conversation. And people in the government who understand real life have told me that their fellows are usually so out of touch with reality that they keep conversation down to a bare minimum. I'm not lieing when I say these things. I hear crazy stories about what happens in the government and I meet many who have left the government with all of its cradle to the grave benefits just so that they can face real life.

Where is your sense of personal responsibility? Where is sacrifice and love and where is reality? Where is the love of Christ and the acceptance of our crosses that we must bear. Jesus did not stand up for any of His rights. He submitted totally to the Father and we should also do the same thing. We should be like him.

Jesus said in Luke 17:10, "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'" We are Christ's slaves. This is a daily challenge to me. What does God want me to do? Am I being faithful? Am I being thankful? Am I being responsible? Am I loving my fellow man? There is nothing in my relationship with God that deals with rights and shaking the fist at authority and going on strike and being envious of those who make more money than I do. Nothing at all.

How are you enslaving yourself to God? How is bearing your own cross going? Are you getting to know Christ?
OK; so you are in favour of:

Guns, God and Glory.
Chinese wages.
Slave labour.
Profit is above all.
Private arms industries making more money from more wars.
OBEY, OBEY, OBEY.
SUFFER, SUFFER, SUFFER.
Each to his own.
God hates socialism.
God loves America.
God loves the rich.

OK Gotcha! I have only this to say to you: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven". He who has two cloaks should give the one". "He who lives by the sword shall perish by the sword".

Dear me Who is this evil "pacifist, socialist who dare say such things"? I guarantee you, he did not worship money as you do!

No pasarán!"

 
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OK; so you are in favour of:

Guns, God and Glory.
Chinese wages.
Slave labour.
Profit is above all.
Private arms industries making more money from more wars.
OBEY, OBEY, OBEY.
SUFFER, SUFFER, SUFFER.
Each to his own.
God hates socialism.
God loves America.
God loves the rich.

OK Gotcha! I have only this to say to you: "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven". He who has two cloaks should give the one". "He who lives by the sword shall perish by the sword".

One cannot just take one or two sayings of Christ and make a whole political system out of that. Paul the Apostle said we shouldn't eat if we don't work. He mentioned nothing about going on the Roman Empire dole which many of Roman citizenship had gone on (daily free wine and corn) and which was the reason for the games which saw the slaughter of many innocent people. When one has millions of people who don't need to work they need to be entertained - hence the games. Scripture is full of commands to work.

You mention guns and war. Do you really think that immigrants have come to Canada to assimilate or integrate? They haven't. They have come here to take over. I've listened to them and experienced their attitudes and believe me, they are not here to cooperate.

I do not doubt the desire of many to help the poor but I will argue that our present system is very screwed up. And I wonder if the desire by many to help the poor is not for selfish reasons.

Dear me Who is this evil "pacifist, socialist who dare say such things"? I guarantee you, he did not worship money as you do!

How am I worshipping money? I was invited years ago to join the ranks of the social public sector. People told me I would be good at helping the poor. I would also be much better off today than I am presently. I would rather be around poor honest people than rich people who have little integrity.

We all need to take up our crosses. I know what my crosses are - dysfunctional family, health issues, etc. What are yours? What are the crosses that the street person bears? Some of them have heavy crosses to bear. How is the social worker helping these people bear their crosses? How is the church helping these people bear their crosses? I'm wondering.
 
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Do you really think that immigrants have come to Canada to assimilate or integrate? They haven't. They have come here to take over. I've listened to them and experienced their attitudes and believe me, they are not here to cooperate.
Did the White man come to The Americas to assimilate with the original inhabitants (Indians) or did they come to take over, which they eventually did! What goes round comes round and when Jesus said "He who lives by the sword shall perish by the sword" was absolutely right. Now its your turn to perish by the sword!:wave:

I do not doubt the desire of many to help the poor but I will argue that our present system is very screwed up. And I wonder if the desire by many to help the poor is not for selfish reasons.



How am I worshipping money? I was invited years ago to join the ranks of the social public sector. People told me I would be good at helping the poor. I would also be much better off today than I am presently. I would rather be around poor honest people than rich people who have little integrity.

We all need to take up our crosses. I know what my crosses are - dysfunctional family, health issues, etc. What are yours? What are the crosses that the street person bears? Some of them have heavy crosses to bear. How is the social worker helping these people bear their crosses? How is the church helping these people bear their crosses? I'm wondering.
You are supporting Neo Liberalism. This system is purely a rich man's system of governance. It creates poverty misery and destroys the middle class.
 
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You are supporting Neo Liberalism. This system is purely a rich man's system of governance. It creates poverty misery and destroys the middle class.

I've just read a definition of neo-liberalism and according to that definition, yes, I am a "neo-liberal". This is, though, a very simplistic view of things as I see it.

Several points:

1) I want people to know Christ. They won't know Christ if they are on welfare their whole lives without reaping the consequences of their sin. Prov. 15:19 says, "The way of the lazy is as a hedge of thorns, But the path of the upright is a highway." A lazy man should, according to the Bible, have a thorny path. This is God's way of getting his attention. If such a man is on welfare his whole life, he never understands God's ways or gets to know God which is the saddest thing in the world.

2) I had an uncle who had made much money and was sometimes accused of having done so unfairly. His response to these false accusers was to prove that one could make much money fairly. This is my challenge to you. Become a CEO and do it fairly. You don't believe it can be done because you don't believe you would be fair in the same capacity.

3) Every group of people has their own advantage. One group is in a place where dairy cows thrive so they have practically free milk. Another group lives next to an iron ore deposit so they have cheap metal. Another group lives near a silicon deposit so they develope computers. Another group is very good a music so they become rich musicians. Another group is good at math so they develope physics theories. God distributes His gifts fairly and we have to trust Him.

4) Poverty is caused by sin, not by circumstances. As I mentioned before, 20-30 people can live together peaceably if they want and they will thrive. Thirty other people have to all have their own apartments because they hate each other and are difficult to live with.

5) What is the cross that we must bear? And in understanding those crosses, how can we draw close to Christ who went to the cross friendless, helpless, full of illness and disease, being accused of all sorts of false things? Col. 1:24 says, "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions." How can we fill up what is lacking in Christ's sufferings?
 
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I've just read a definition of neo-liberalism and according to that definition, yes, I am a "neo-liberal". This is, though, a very simplistic view of things as I see it.

Several points:

1) I want people to know Christ. They won't know Christ if they are on welfare their whole lives without reaping the consequences of their sin. Prov. 15:19 says, "The way of the lazy is as a hedge of thorns, But the path of the upright is a highway." A lazy man should, according to the Bible, have a thorny path. This is God's way of getting his attention. If such a man is on welfare his whole life, he never understands God's ways or gets to know God which is the saddest thing in the world.

2) I had an uncle who had made much money and was sometimes accused of having done so unfairly. His response to these false accusers was to prove that one could make much money fairly. This is my challenge to you. Become a CEO and do it fairly. You don't believe it can be done because you don't believe you would be fair in the same capacity.

3) Every group of people has their own advantage. One group is in a place where dairy cows thrive so they have practically free milk. Another group lives next to an iron ore deposit so they have cheap metal. Another group lives near a silicon deposit so they develope computers. Another group is very good a music so they become rich musicians. Another group is good at math so they develope physics theories. God distributes His gifts fairly and we have to trust Him.

4) Poverty is caused by sin, not by circumstances. As I mentioned before, 20-30 people can live together peaceably if they want and they will thrive. Thirty other people have to all have their own apartments because they hate each other and are difficult to live with.

5) What is the cross that we must bear? And in understanding those crosses, how can we draw close to Christ who went to the cross friendless, helpless, full of illness and disease, being accused of all sorts of false things? Col. 1:24 says, "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions." How can we fill up what is lacking in Christ's sufferings?
Poverty is caused by Greed and greed is synonymous to Neo Liberalism!
Here watch the WHOLE documentary and not just a part of it and perhaps you will know what I am talking about. Also the biggest threat to religions is Neo Liberalism!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoNjVMhmBfM
 
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Poverty is caused by Greed and greed is synonymous to Neo Liberalism!
Here watch the WHOLE documentary and not just a part of it and perhaps you will know what I am talking about. Also the biggest threat to religions is Neo Liberalism!
Catastroika - Greek Documentary (English subs) - YouTube

If a father were making his son give him almost all of his paycheque as "rent money" so that the son couldn't save money for school. And if the father were spending all that money on his girlfriend instead - would you give this father this video to watch as the cause of his "poverty"? Or would you instruct him to love his son? And would you tell the son who now has to live on his own and hardly has any money to save to simply go on welfare and live in low-income housing? Or would you tell the son to persevere that things will get better and to try to respect his father and to work and pay his own way through life even though it doesn't seem rewarding? And would you also give the son this video to watch which has nothing whatsoever to do with the selfishness of a selfish father? And lastly, if you believe this video is the answer to poverty, are you involved in the social assistance industry and spreading this message? If you are dealing with welfare recipients and telling them to watch this video instead of dealing with the selfishness of their hearts and the selfishness of those around them, God help Canada and the US because now we are really, really in trouble.

The store that I work in is struggling but believe me - few in the store blame the CEO with his million dollar salary or blame neo-liberalism. But should you ever get them to start talking about people on welfare, you would never hear the end of it.

What does the cross mean to you?
 
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If a father were making his son give him almost all of his paycheque as "rent money" so that the son couldn't save money for school. And if the father were spending all that money on his girlfriend instead - would you give this father this video to watch as the cause of his "poverty"? Or would you instruct him to love his son? And would you tell the son who now has to live on his own and hardly has any money to save to simply go on welfare and live in low-income housing? Or would you tell the son to persevere that things will get better and to try to respect his father and to work and pay his own way through life even though it doesn't seem rewarding? And would you also give the son this video to watch which has nothing whatsoever to do with the selfishness of a selfish father? And lastly, if you believe this video is the answer to poverty, are you involved in the social assistance industry and spreading this message? If you are dealing with welfare recipients and telling them to watch this video instead of dealing with the selfishness of their hearts and the selfishness of those around them, God help Canada and the US because now we are really, really in trouble.

The store that I work in is struggling but believe me - few in the store blame the CEO with his million dollar salary or blame neo-liberalism. But should you ever get them to start talking about people on welfare, you would never hear the end of it.
Irrelevant to the video!

What does the cross mean to you?
Which one:confused:
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Now I know I am dealing with a mentally unfit person.
Religion is how it is interpreted to be! You asked me what the cross means to me and I asked you to be more specific; If I compare Baptists to Orthodox then my money is on Orthodox as Protestants are too much into Fire and Brimstone eat your food or the bogey man will get you mentality.

No matter what you say and how much you try to instil the fear of God in me; You are doomed to fail for: When religion is mixed with politics then extremism and fundamentalism is born!

I fear you not! Also thank you for the insult! :wave:
 
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To those of you who want to fight socialism, here is a good website for a start:

garynorth dot com

Another very good website for many social issues is:

lifesitenews dot net

On this website there is a very good article relating same-sex marriage to the advancement of welfare. To find it, do a search on this website for a Ben Johnson.

To fight the anti-bullying campaign in Ontario, email Dalton McQuinty:

dmcquinty.mpp.co at liberal.ola.org

A very good website in honour of a courageous man by the name of Preston Manning is:

manningcentre at ca


Stephen Taylor has a talk on 10 tips for activism which is very good.

To fight Obamacare write the White House at:

whitehouse dot gov/contact/

As well, write your local congressman and/or senator.

And vote.

God bless and don't get discouraged. If you have to work many hours a week to make a living and cannot be an activist, five minutes a week with one email can make a difference.
 
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To those of you who want to fight socialism, here is a good website for a start:

garynorth dot com

Another very good website for many social issues is:

lifesitenews dot net

On this website there is a very good article relating same-sex marriage to the advancement of welfare. To find it, do a search on this website for a Ben Johnson.

To fight the anti-bullying campaign in Ontario, email Dalton McQuinty:

dmcquinty.mpp.co at liberal.ola.org

A very good website in honour of a courageous man by the name of Preston Manning is:

manningcentre at ca


Stephen Taylor has a talk on 10 tips for activism which is very good.

To fight Obamacare write the White House at:

whitehouse dot gov/contact/

As well, write your local congressman and/or senator.

And vote.

God bless and don't get discouraged. If you have to work many hours a week to make a living and cannot be an activist, five minutes a week with one email can make a difference.
The Americanisation of Canada! :doh:There goes the neighbourhood!
 
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Here is a website to "vote" against Obamacare:

http colon //www dot newsmax dot com/surveys/Obama-Policies/Should-Congress-Repeal--Obama-s-Health-Plan-and-Ot/id/13/kw/default?PROMO_CODE=F0AC-1

I don't know how effective this is but anything small or big to stop this nightmare from happening is good. Americans, you have no idea what a mess we have in Canada because of medicare. Public medicare is destroying us. Do whatever you can to make sure it doesn't happen in your country. It isn't Biblical or kind to anyone.
 
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Here is a website to "vote" against Obamacare:

http colon //www dot newsmax dot com/surveys/Obama-Policies/Should-Congress-Repeal--Obama-s-Health-Plan-and-Ot/id/13/kw/default?PROMO_CODE=F0AC-1

I don't know how effective this is but anything small or big to stop this nightmare from happening is good. Americans, you have no idea what a mess we have in Canada because of medicare. Public medicare is destroying us. Do whatever you can to make sure it doesn't happen in your country. It isn't Biblical or kind to anyone.
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