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Never-before-seen photos of JFK's final moments...

Discussion in 'OBOB General Politics Forum' started by Michie, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    Actually the LBJ one seems to have been from the very start. I remember. And hardly anyone believes that the Warren Commission was completely honest--yes even all 26 books. Oh yes, the Warren Commission said that there were only 3 bullets shot even when 51 eyewitnesses mentioned hearing 4 shots. Others reported smelling gun smoke and seeing a flash from the grassy knoll. Another person was hit by a piece of concrete that a stray bullet hit. Then there was that "magic bullet theory" of the Warren Commission that traveled through two people, made a right turn and somehow came out pristine on a gurney at the hospital. And oddest of all, was that magazine I had given my son (the Life magazine that came out right after the assassination and showed pictures of the back of JFKs head that was a large wound--an exit wound, not a small entry wound :::and that makes sense since Jackie had climbed out on the back of the car to retrieve part of her husband's skull!--there's even pictures of that!)

    Anyway, if you look at the Warren Commission again, it seems to note that there isn't evidence that there was a conspiracy. It said that it is their belief that Oswald acted all alone and JFK's large back head wound was really a small entry wound, but really there are many people who still have questions. I guess they hoped the Commission would end the questions, but it didn't. Much was sealed. Just coming out now. And even more will come out in a few years.
     
  2. bhsmte

    bhsmte Newbie

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    You really are stuck on the old conspiracy theories from the 60's and 70's. I would urge you to look at the books written by Gerald Posner and Vincent Bugliosi (the guy who prosecuted Charles Manson), they explain these age old conspiracy questions away quite easily.

    And, the bullet never needed to take a right turn, because Connelly was seated to the left and below of Kennedy in the car and the dudes that said the bullet took a turn, didn't factor in the true positions of the seats. There have been plenty of recent documentaries using the latest forensic and computer animated techniques that also debunk all the conspiracy theories and show Oswald acted alone.
     
  3. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    The motive for the assassination was never addressed by the Warren Commission. None of us know Oswald's motive for the assassination. Jack Ruby took that piece away from us when he shot and killed Oswald. (Can't supply you with information on that except that Oswald was shot and killed by Ruby since I was at Church at the time.)

    But yes, I guess I am sort of interested in the little more than a 1000 days of the JFK presidency that were so full of hope. (Afterall, JFK was the last classical liberal president we had, and I am sort of classical liberal--limited government, personal responsibility--what Conservatives now seem to embrace. JFK was Catholic and I can identify with that. And as for Johnson, have already mentioned that family lived the town over from his and we knew what a cad he was--as we have seen over the years.)

    Back to the assassination, you somehow never found it odd that when the motorcade made that turn into Dealy Plaza, Johnson was seen "hitting the deck" (there are some pictures) before the first shots were supposedly fired. (How'd he or his bodyguard know?) And why that turn? And why the different-from-other-cities secret service protocols? Don't find those questions answered. I know, just "move on". The damage was already done.
     
  4. bhsmte

    bhsmte Newbie

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    Your holding onto old conspiracy thoughts that have all been explained away and some people have a hard time letting go, I understand. You want everything to make perfect sense and it just doesn't always happen that way.

    The secret service pleaded with Kennedy to have the bubble top on the car during the motorcade for protection and he refused, are you going to say now that Kennedy himself was in on the conspiracy?

    The motive? How do you figure out the motive for a guy like Oswald who was a certified nut case. Oswald tried to assassinate General Walker in his Dallas home just months before the Kennedy assassination, so he obviously had a penchant for this sort of thing. People that knew him, always said Oswald was the type of guy who wanted to do something to get him noticed forever and he did just that.

    Here is the bottom line, many people just can't accept, that a goof ball like Oswald could have killed Kennedy by himself, so they have to create a conspiracy to make it work. It is called cognitive dissonance, that creates all these wild stories with no evidence to back them up.
     
  5. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    You are right, a goof ball coming up with a plot to kill the president for no reason and changing secret service protocol (that can only be changed by higher ups on the chain of command) all by his lonesome when he was just smart enough to load books is kinda a leap. Surprised that any reasonable folks want others to buy it. (Although I can see why the Warren Commission wanted folks to "move-on" and stop with the questions.)

    As to the Warren Commission claiming that there were only 3 bullets shot, 51 eyewitnesses did not buy it and neither did the guy who was hit by the ricocheting of cement from the fourth bullet.

    About the entry/exit wounds, I know what I saw. Jackie climbed on the trunk of the car to retrieve a piece of skull from her husband and you want me to believe that a bullet entering the back of the skull caused that. And that magazine I had given son (showing the wounds from the Hospital right after the shooting) is different from the one always shown after the autopsy (the cover of the one I gave son was red while the one shown now is white. :confused:)

    Must be remembered that the Warren Commission only said that they see no evidence of a conspiracy--they never said that one didn't exist. And the Warren Commission only said that Oswald acted alone not why and motive does matter. And lack of motive is not the only hole in this story. I figure that when everything is unsealed in a few years we'll know more but we'll only be able to guess at a motive.


    BTW I contend that when evidence and conclusions are sealed (like this was) it always generates questions.

    Oh, I've followed the different conspiracy theories over the years from the Neville Chamberlain with the umbrella, to "the Communists did it and we have to pin the blame solely on Oswald to stop WWIII", to the CIA was involved, to the it was the work of the Mob. It seems that every decade has a new theory. But I think I'll still figure that the one who benefits the most (and has a nasty track record besides) should be considered like some of us suspected from the beginning. Of course we'll probably only know for sure after our own deaths.
     
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    bhsmte Newbie

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    Ok. Who benefited most and what is the objective evidence that shows their guilt?
     
  7. AMDG

    AMDG Tenderized for Christ

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    LBJ. The French investigation that Jackie asked for said it. The KGB one said it. Some other's have suggested it too. LBJ's behavior during and after--his even admission that Robert Kennedy will "come after him".

    I'm pretty sure that there's even a book out about it now. Have no idea of the title, since I haven't read it....yet. Anyway it should point out the "objective evidence" you want.
     
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    bhsmte Newbie

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    Most people have claimed the mafia had most to gain by killing Kennedy, I see you disagree.

    Suggesting something, or saying LBJ said Bobby would come after him, is not exactly compelling evidence. In fact, a DA wouldn't even give it the time of day.
     
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    I was a child when President Kennedy was assissinated. I think it resonates through history because it was the first assasination of an American President ever captured live on film.
    Horrible! There is an X on the roadway where President Kennedy's car was when he was shot in Dallas. Gives me chills every time I see it.


     
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    Because it was thought improbable at best. He was attacked by Protestants who felt he would answer to the Vatican. There were all kind of vicious rumours regarding Catholics.

    JFK was the first Catholic to be elected president. You can call him nominal, but don't we all fall short of the glory of God?
     
  11. MikeK

    MikeK The dress is blue and black.

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    This thread got awesome.
     
  12. Luther073082

    Luther073082 κύριε ἐλέησον χριστὲ ἐλέησον

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    So he's just a symbol of a greater victory of anti-Catholic hatred going away?

    Still it's not like the dirt on his life just goes away.

    I mean there's never been a Lutheran president, and if there was one I hardly think we would care all that much.
     
  13. Luther073082

    Luther073082 κύριε ἐλέησον χριστὲ ἐλέησον

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    I would agree, but carrying on numerous affairs is typically not something seen of someone who puts a great deal of effort or true belief into their faith.
     
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