Neutering God for Women's Rights

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I think we make this subject too complicated. It is absolutely true that God does not recognize male or female in the spiritual sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, however, to figure out that men are better in certain positions and women are better in other positions. I have seen too many obvious feminists (or even gays) in churches that allow women preachers. I'm 68 years old and I never changed my mind about women as pastors. They just don't present the same authority as a man and if they are put in that position most seem to walk around with a chip on her shoulder trying to prove something rather than just loving and serving the flock. This same difference in men women carries across life in general. God has positions for each sex and to fight against that is to fight against God.
 
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The whole idea of women in leadership is such a hot issue, and whenever it comes up it turns into a female-verses-male, equality contest...and it should not be so - because...it's not about us.

The whole point of God creating us in His image, male and female, has a purpose that is simply bigger than us...and He did it for His on purpose, not ours. Instead of squabbling over equality - we should be embracing our differences - differences that God considers important. So...instead of continuing to fight for gender self-importance...can we discuss just what it is that God has determined is so important as to make us different in the world...when, clearly, according to the scriptures, we are not at all different in the kingdom? And, don't we all, or shouldn't we all, want to serve God's purpose for our gender, instead of campaigning for our own worldly gender identity?

Disclaimer: Because we all have such a tough time not making this issue personal, I reserve the right to call foul when a post is pro-people and not pro-God - meaning, not pertaining to His purpose.

The horse has already left the barn.
 
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I have seen too many obvious feminists (or even gays) in churches that allow women preachers.

I don't know why people link homosexuality and female pastors - as though allowing one means you condone the other.
That said, people who are gay have a right to go to church.

I'm 68 years old and I never changed my mind about women as pastors. They just don't present the same authority as a man and if they are put in that position most seem to walk around with a chip on her shoulder trying to prove something rather than just loving and serving the flock.

I'm sorry to hear that.
I've met some outstanding female Ministers.

God has positions for each sex and to fight against that is to fight against God.

I don't believe he does; I think he wants us all to know, love and serve him and proclaim the Gospel. The gifts of the Spirit are not for men alone And the fact is that he calls women today to be ordained, which tells me that he's not against it and has not forbidden it.
 
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I've said what I've said.
I've also asked several questions about this and about your posts. It seems that you can't/are reluctant to answer them. So you're right; there is no point to this.
I have addressed all your questions, but if any are not to your satisfaction, I would be happy to elaborate.
 
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Eve was 'not satisfied' with being made 'for' Adam. Satan 'knew' this and that is what he used to entice her. For the only manner in which one can be 'temped' is with something that they 'desire'. Satan knew what was in Eve's heart and that is exactly what he used against her. She wanted to 'be' Adam.

You said previously that you interpret Scripture literally. This isn't Scriptural, so it is either your own idea or you are quoting something you have read elsewhere.

It isn't even logical. You say that Eve was not satisfied with being made for Adam and that Satan used this against her? He didn't. Satan said to Eve, "HAS God said ....?" He was making her doubt what God had commanded.
Eve hadn't been created when God gave Adam this command, so presumably Adam told her about it. But either he didn't explain it very well or she misheard/wasn't listening, because when she repeated to the serpent what God had said, she got it wrong. That is a bit of a guess, but it does fit with 1 Timothy 2:12, 14. Paul says "A woman should learn in quietness and submission". Women were not educated or allowed to learn; Paul is saying that they should, "FOR" verse 14 "Eve was deceived". Seems to me that Paul is saying that women should learn so that they will not be deceived like Eve was. Adam had heard the command directly from God himself. He knew what God had told him and was unlikely to be deceived, or tricked; so the serpent approached Eve instead. Maybe Eve was thinking about something else when Adam was explaining God's command to her? Maybe she was talking, which could be why Paul made it clear that women should learn in silence.

But the whole temptation in Genesis 3 revolved around what God had said; Eve was being deceived and tempted to doubt God's word. This is what Satan does - tries to turn people against God. Satan was kicked out of heaven by God, and is the enemy of God; a liar and a murderer and the thief who comes to steal and destroy, John 10:10.
This was nothing to do with Eve's relationship with, or thoughts about, Adam.

There is absolutely no indication offered in Genesis that God had any sort of relationship with Eve. Eve was made 'for' Adam. Not for God. Adam was made 'for God'.

Genesis 1:26-27 says clearly that God created both men and women in his image.

Men and women are both made for God because he created both, has saved both, filled both with his Holy Spirit and made them his children. Both men and women are loved, saved, chosen, blessed, appointed, and given spiritual gifts by God.

But for all that suffer the same 'envy' of Eve, it is impossible to convince them of the 'truth'. For the 'truth' isn't what they desire, but their own will.

The "envy of Eve" is your own idea, not a Scriptural teaching.

But it would seem that to 'some', it doesn't matter. They want what they want and God's will is 'far far' from their hearts.

Nope.
Not only is that a judgement and an insult, it is based on the assumption that God cannot possibly want a particular thing, in this case for women to preach or be ordained, so rebellious women are acting from some feminist motivation.
That's not true either.

Anyone that can 'say' that they 'believe' that God has 'not' revealed Himself as 'masculine' is simply in 'denial of the truth'.

Jesus came a male; not question about that, and no problem with it.
God is Spirit - yes, he is referred to as "he" throughout Scripture, but also had female characteristics, like giving birth to us, and the word for the Holy Spirit is a feminine one. All I'm doing is pointing this out and asking a) how a Spirit can be defined as male and b) asking for your views on this. You have given neither.
If when I get to heaven I find that God is a male Spirit; completely and utterly male, that will make no difference to my faith, salvation or standing before him. I am saved because I believe that God sent Jesus to die for me. By his death I am reconciled to God, and am God's child, filled with God's Spirit.

God, not Goddess. Get it?

As I said, God is spirit and has also revealed that he has feminine characteristics.
He gave birth to us, he nurtures us. God said, "can a mother forget the children she bore? Even so, I will not forget you", Isaiah 49:15. Jesus also said he wanted to gather the people of Jerusalem as a mother gathers her young. The images of new life, giving birth, nurturing, brooding (the Spirit of God brooded over the waters at creation) are all feminine ones. As I said before, the writers, and Jesus, could have used masculine words and phrases - like "you need to have your engine replaced", or something similar. They didn't; they referred to God's work in feminine terms.
I doubt that you'll "get", or consider, this though, because you seem to be of the view that unless Scripture spells something out, it can't happen. Even though you are quite prepared to promote unscriptural ideas.

And let me offer this: It is 'impossible for me to 'believe' that God would call someone to be His representative that doesn't even recognize that God is 'HE'.

It may seem ludicrous to you, that doesn't mean that if someone suggests that God is Spirit, which is Scriptural, and neither male nor female, (even though everyone refers to him as male), they are denying the truth and God can never use them. If you read church history and open your eyes to what is going on today, you will see that that is not so. God specialises in doing the ludicrous.

And let me offer this as well. If one's 'first' encounter with the 'supernatural' was with Satan mimicking God, how would someone who has 'yet' to know God know the difference?

But it wasn't.
Genesis 1:26-30 says that God made male and female in his image, he blessed THEM, gave THEM all green plants for food and told THEM they were to rule over the animals and fish in the sea.

You can only say that Eve had no contact with God before the fall if you ignore Genesis 1 and assume that because we have no record of her interaction with God, that there wasn't any.
Ignoring God's word and reading things into it is not good.

I may get back to the rest of your post later. Basically, though, you seem to be urging people to accept what is in the Bible while you yourself put forward unscriptural ideas.
 
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Basically, though, you seem to be urging people to accept what is in the Bible while you yourself put forward unscriptural ideas.
I wonder if Imagican even admits that Jesus died for women too, and that women can also be saved? Because he doesn't seem to want to allow them to receive God's love in any way...:confused2:
 
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I wonder if Imagican even admits that Jesus died for women too, and that women can also be saved? Because he doesn't seem to want to allow them to receive God's love in any way...:confused2:

As he has already said that we were not "made for God" but only for men; it makes you wonder. :(
 
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The Book of Genesis is in chronological order.

The Garden of Eden was created after the seventh day because there was no place to put the plants of the field because the planet after the seventh day was watered by dew/mist and the plants of the field needed to be irrigated and cultivated. Adam was created from the dust/dirt (man of the dust) to be the caretaker of that garden. Genesis 2:5, "Now no shrub of the field was yet in the Earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the Lord God had not sent rain upon the earth; and the was no man to cultivate the Ground." Adam was special and he was created after the seventh day to cultivate the special garden that Lord God created to house the plants of the field. And Eve was cloned from Adam to help him cultivate the garden.

Now here is what is interesting: In this special garden was planted the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil with Adam being told not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. This was not the Tree of Knowledge as some folks maintain, it was the Tree of the "Knowledge" of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because they had "knowledge of good and evil". No other reason. And they took this knowledge with them and contaminated the rest of Humankind which were wild and did not cultivate the ground. And to this day we are all contaminated with the knowledge of good and evil. And this contamination is the seed of what creates and has created the conflict in the present and past in the Body of Christ.

The message of our beloved Lord and Savior had one recurring theme, Love, Forgiveness, and Non Judgement, with Lord God being the only judge. If we follow this advice as followers of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, then we will no longer be under the contamination of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. And as Christians "by your fruits you shall be known". Women's equality in the Christian community is neutering God? Women's equality in the Body of Christ is a given in the eyes of Lord Jesus. The problem is the lack of Love, Forgiveness, and folks being Judgemental. If a person is being disruptive or presenting a political agenda within a group of fellowshipping Christians, then they can be asked to leave with love, forgiveness, and non judgement :) . Fellowshipping together as Christians is a beautiful experience and one where disruption and political agenda is non productive to having that experience. And if we enter into a fellowship environment where a particular group of folks are happy with disruption and/or politial agenda, then we can go some place else and we leave with Love, Forgiveness, and Non Judgement. And we do not take the contamination of the seed of the Knowledge of Good and Evil with us. The gods can eat from both the Tree of the "knowledge" of Good and Evil and from the Tree of Life. Our Creator says that we can not. So if we quit eating from the Tree of the "Knowledge" of Good and Evil, then we can go back to eating from the Tree of Life or drink from the Waters of Life through our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
 
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No. What you don't like is that the ideas I'm offering put 'you' in a particularly 'bad place'

Nope.
I know that I am a child of God; created, saved, blessed, called and equipped by him and filled with his Spirit. He has called me to preach his word, which I do, and have been doing for 13 years, with the knowledge, approval and blessing of the church.
I'm in a very good place - and all glory and praise is due to God. This is all from him; not my doing.
As I said earlier, these are the facts; I have preached, continue to preach and nothing you say will change that.

Of course you aren't going to accept it as truth even though it 'is' scriptural.

The Jewish law is Scriptural.
Men not having long hair, is Scriptural.
Taking people's shoes off when they enter your house so that you can wash their feet, is Scriptural.
Women not wearing gold, is Scriptural.
Cutting your hand off if you use it to sin - hit someone, steal etc - is Scriptural.
There are other things in Scripture that we would not apply to us today.

This is a matter of how you interpret Scripture. If the answer to that is "literally", as I think you have said it is, and if you apply that literal interpretation of Scripture to us today - then you have to do all the things I've just quoted.
So, apart from anything else, how do you answer the fact that the Jewish law is in Scripture - it was not excluded when the Bible was compiled and yet Jesus said that he has fulfilled the law and Paul says that if the Jews he was writing to put themselves back under the law, then Christ died for nothing.

I have demonstrated that for something to be scriptural it does not need to be specifically stated 'in' scripture. It merely needs to conform to scripture and not contradict it.

And yet the example that I gave above is in Scripture and also contradicts Scripture - if you are taking a literal approach. The same with the issue of women. Paul appears to tell women to be silent in church; that is Scripture, and if you interpret and apply it literally, then it means that no woman today may speak/pray/sing/testify/read the Scriptures or prophesy in church. Yet Paul also instructs the church in how a woman should pray and prophesy in church. And this fits with the fact that there were female prophets in the OT, and women who prophesied in the NT - i.e Philip's daughters.
See what I mean? A literal interpretation of one Scripture contradicts other Scriptures. Obviously Scripture cannot contradict itself; so it is clearly our interpretation which is wrong.
 
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Simple question: Do you believe something must be specifically 'spelled out' in scripture to be revealed in 'truth'? In other words, does the Bible contain 'all knowledge'?

The Bible reveals God to us and contains all we need to know him and find salvation.

But Scripture doesn't tell us everything we want to know - like where to live, which job to take, church to attend, who to marry etc. It obviously doesn't address, and instruct on, things that weren't available when it was written - e.g the style of western dress, forms of transport, computer games, mobile phones, using powerpoint in worship, having a Sunday school and so on. There are dozens of things which Christians do, start up or get involved in today. And if critics were to say "show me where Scripture allows this," the answer would be "it doesn't." That doesn't make those things wrong.

From my understanding, the Bible is but the 'beginning' of 'understanding'. Not the end of it.

The Bible is God's word.
Jesus is the Word of God; God's final word on salvation. If anyone tries to add to this word - i.e say that salvation is Jesus + .... - they are wrong. Or if they say, like the Moonies, that Jesus failed in his mission and brought an incomplete message, but that another person has since been entrusted with the truth - that is wrong too.

God's nature does not change and he will not change his mind about salvation. That doesn't mean that he can't work in new ways or do things that we don't expect.
 
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Eve was 'created from Adam/for Adam'. Women were NOT: made for God. Women were 'made for man'. And no matter how much you dislike the 'truth', you can't alter it according to the Bible.

God created women in his image.
He created them so that they - together with men - would rule over the animals and livestock, Genesis 1:26-27.
He blessed them, told them to be fruitful, to fill the earth and subdue it, Genesis 1:28.
God saw all that he had made and it was very good, Genesis 1:31.

However much you dislike, and ignore the truth, you can't alter it; it's Scriptural.
Seems to me you have read Genesis 2 only and interpreted it as saying that God created Eve but did not make her for himself. That's reading into the text and making your own interpretation.

Christ was created 'for God'.

Christ wasn't created - that's the first thing.
Jesus is the eternal Word of God, he was with God in the beginning and is, himself, divine, John 1:1. The whole universe was created through him, John 1:2.
When the time was right, God became incarnate - a human being. He was given the name Jesus, yet was still God - 100% man and 100% God.

Christ was created 'for God'. Man was created 'for Christ'. Woman was created 'for man'. That is the order we are offered in the Bible.

Christ wasn't created.
Wives are told to submit to their husbands; that's WIVES submitting to HUSBANDS, not all womankind in general who have to submit to men. Plenty of women are single, others are not, and never will be, in a relationship. So they are not required to submit to men as the same way wives are with their husbands.

Nothing in the Bible indicates that God had 'any' direct relationship with Eve. Eve's relationship was to be with Adam. That is what she was 'created for'.

She was created to be Adam's companion and helper. She was his wife.
If all women were created for men, then all women would have to be married, or they would not be fulfilling their calling. Yet many aren't and some choose not to be. Some enter a convent and choose to devote the whole of their lives to the service of God, without the "distraction" of husband and children. Paul says that if a woman is married she tries to please her husband and says that he wishes people could remain unmarried - as he was. Marriage is a calling and so are singleness and celibacy.
So it is not the case that women were made for men.
 
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It is not 'me' that read 'in' to the Bible what 'pleases' ME. I have simply read the Word of God and accepted it 'as offered'.

You said that Eve was not satisfied with being made for Adam and that Satan knew that.
This is not in the Bible, i.e. not Scriptural. I don't see there's any way you can know something that the Bible doesn't tell us - so it's your own idea, and you are stating something that isn't there.

Nowhere does the Bible offer what you are teaching.

Everyone that has followed this topic and listened to your words knows without doubt that it is you that chooses to 'read in' to the Bible most of what you offer.

That's a massive generalisation; have you asked them?
Personally I would say that your words show that you interpret the Bible in a particular way, and you're entitled to that interpretation - even though we can clearly see that your previous mentioned teaching isn't in there.

For when one travels down that path, they can 'make up' whatever they 'want' to believe.

Sorry, you have just put forward a view which isn't Scriptural, and you're talking to me about making up what I want to believe??

I have met a few people on these forums who seem to believe that exegesis is a dirty word and that when we talk about reading a passage in context it's a way of "getting round" it or making it say what we want it to say.
I don't know if you are one of these people. If so, I have to say that I think you're wrong; but, again, you're entitled to that opinion. I used to think that, to some extent. But learning about exegesis hasn't watered the Bible down for me - on the contrary, it's helped me understand, and made me appreciate it more.
I love the Bible.
 
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We are warned to judge those that would 'claim' to be prophets. And if what they offer is contrary to the Word we are to reject whatever they offer. You have proven yourself over and over.

You too.
You still have no answer for the statement that what you offer - i.e that Eve wasn't satisfied with being made for Adam - is not Scripture. So you are posting unscriptural things as though they were fact.
And by the way, I'm not claiming to be a prophet.

I could answer the rest of your post too, but whatever my answer, you will say that I have made up my mind and don't like the Bible. Maybe I'll just go and write a sermon.
 
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See? Now that is purely 'false accusation'. You show us through scripture that what I have offered is contrary to anything offered. Then you can truthfully make such an accusation.

It is not a false accusation. You said:
Eve was 'not satisfied' with being made 'for' Adam. Satan 'knew' this and that is what he used to entice her. For the only manner in which one can be 'temped' is with something that they 'desire'. Satan knew what was in Eve's heart and that is exactly what he used against her. She wanted to 'be' Adam.

This is not Scriptural. Full stop; end of.
I have said this before and asked you to show me where Scripture teaches that Eve was not satisfied with being made for Adam and wanted to be Adam. You have not been able to do this; back up your own statement from Scripture. Obviously - because it isn't there.

It is also not false to say that you accuse me of choosing what I 'like' from the Bible; you have repeated that accusation a few times.

So all I can conclude is that you just don't 'like' the idea that men were chosen by God to be the leaders. Don't like the idea that Adam was created 'first' and then Eve was created 'for' Adam, from Adam. Eve is a 'part' of Adam, not Adam a 'part of Eve'
No. What you don't like is that the ideas I'm offering put 'you' in a particularly 'bad place' if what I have offered is the 'truth'. Of course you aren't going to accept it as truth even though it 'is' scriptural.

You have said that I choose what I like from the Bible; it is not false to say that.

But if you cannot find 'any scripture' that contradicts what I have offered, as far as I'm concerned, it simply hasn't been 'revealed' to you until 'now'.

Or are you of the mind that if God hasn't revealed something to 'you' personally, it couldn't possibly be revealed to anyone else?
..........
I offer that if 'you have no answer', the answer has yet to be revealed to you through the Holy Spirit.

Ah, so I finally understand where you are coming from. Your position is that you believe the Bible, literally, as written, but that if something isn't there, it has been revealed to you, personally, by the Holy Spirit.
You want me to believe that Scripture is important (it is) and that you accept Scripture; but that you can tell us things that aren't in Scripture because the Holy Spirit has given you a personal revelation?

Wrong.
The Holy Spirit inspired Scripture to be written, speaks through it and interprets and applies it to us. He can also speak to us today, convict us of sin and point us to Jesus. But he will never contradict Scripture, and does not give "extra Scriptural revelations."

I'll tell you what, you tell 'us' what is offered in scripture concerning the 'reason' that Eve allowed herself to be deceived by the serpent.

Scripture doesn't tell us why, or how, Eve was able to be deceived by the serpent. Any reason that you come up with has to be speculation, because we aren't told; it isn't there.

I offer that if 'you have no answer', the answer has yet to be revealed to you through the Holy Spirit.

No. It isn't in Scripture because it isn't important for us to know.
If God had wanted us to know Eve's mind and motives, he would have told us in the Bible.

I have offered you 'the truth' but you don't like it so you reject it.

You have offered me your opinion, but it isn't the truth because it isn't Scriptural.
Just show me the verse/verses that say that Eve was dissatisfied with being made FOR Adam and wanted to BE him - that's all you need to do to get me to admit that I am wrong.

You don't like it 'because' it's the truth and you don't really like the 'truth'. You like to 'make up' your own truth and then insist that it's everyone else that is following in confusion.

Who's making false accusations now?
You have put forward something which you insist is the truth, even though it's not Scriptural. But when I challenge this, you tell me that I don't like the truth and 'make up' my own truth.
Like I said, you can put an end to all this quite easily; just show me the verse which says that Eve was dissatisfied with being made for Adam. Just one verse.

That's a good idea for your sermon. Tell your congregation how foolish Paul was and how his words never really meant what they implied. They really meant what 'you' have come to understand them to mean which is basically the opposite of what he said. Tell them how 'things' are different now. The instructions that Paul offered were for 'back then' and have 'no place' in the church today. We are 'much smarter' now and we 'know' better than to believe Paul's words were meant to be followed when we can do whatever we choose so far as 'church leadership'. Women have every 'right' to usurp the authority of men because they 'do it' every day.

My denomination accepts and believes that God calls women to preach the Gospel; that he has a right to call and choose whoever he likes. There are a lot of female preachers in this circuit, and in fact in the church as a whole. There are also female Ministers in this circuit.
So if I stood up and said that I was being disobedient to Scripture and that Paul's words didn't mean what they seem to mean, no one would believe me, and would probably think I'd flipped and report it to the Minister.

God has called me to preach the Gospel and be a preacher.
You probably won't believe this, yet you seem to believe that people can receive extra Biblical revelation from the Spirit. This doesn't make sense and, at best, is double standards.
 
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"A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

If you are out there teaching the men of God the truth, just know it's called "Disobedience."

If that were true, then God has called me to disobey his word. He inspires me and gives me the words to disobey him and "sin".
And he's allowed male clergy, who are in authority over me, to allow me to do so.

Or does that mean that I can ignore the Great Commission and tell the Lord Jesus, "sorry I can't obey you; I'm a woman"?
 
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I'm sorry if the Words of God oppose you but your heart leads in a total different direction. Do you know what Micaiah did when Ahab asked him, "Please let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak favorably." He told him, "Go up and succeed, and the LORD will give it into the hand of the king." But Ahab had learned that God wasn't always speaking in favor of his Kingdom so he said, "How many times must I adjure you to speak to me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD?”

It was only after he was ready to know the whole truth that he Learned he would die in the battle to Ramoth-gilead. So do you want to know the whole TRUTH???
 
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I'm sorry if the Words of God oppose you but your heart leads in a total different direction. Do you know what Micaiah did when Ahab asked him, "Please let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak favorably." He told him, "Go up and succeed, and the LORD will give it into the hand of the king." But Ahab had learned that God wasn't always speaking in favor of his Kingdom so he said, "How many times must I adjure you to speak to me nothing but the truth in the name of the LORD?”

It was only after he was ready to know the whole truth that he Learned he would die in the battle to Ramoth-gilead. So do you want to know the whole TRUTH???

I know the whole truth.

The whole truth is that:
Miriam was a prophetess and worship leader.
Deborah was a prophetess and judge over the whole nation.
Huldah was a prophetess; male priests chose to consult her for a word from the Lord. She told them to tell the king what God was saying, he listened and started a revival, 2 Kings 22:13-14.
Isaiah's wife was a prophetess.
The woman at the well went back to her town and told people about Jesus. Jesus had revealed to her that he was the Messiah, John 4.
Mary sat at Jesus' feet, learning, as the students of the Rabbis did. Women were not allowed to learn in those days, yet Jesus said that she had chosen the best way.
Martha declared Jesus to be the Christ, the Son of the living God, John 11:27. This declaration was the sign of an apostle.
Mary Magdalene was chosen by Jesus to be the first witness to the resurrection. Women were considered to be unreliable witnesses.
Paul had female co-workers; at least 4 are listed in Romans 16, there was also Euodia and Syntyche in Philippians 4.
Jesus has called, and commanded, us all to go into the world, preach the Gospel, make disciples and tell others about him. We are all his disciples; we don't get let off proclaiming the Gospel because we are female.

Many women over the years have preached God's word, taught, founded churches etc - e.g Catherine of Siena (Catholic), Julian of Norwich, Gladys Aylward, Catherine Booth. The CofE, Methodist, URC and Salvation Army have had female preachers for years, all with the knowledge and approval of male clergy who have, largely, been instrumental in their training.

I also know that God has called me to do this. I responded to that call 13 years ago, when I began training. But God was preparing me during my childhood, when I led, spoke and gave my testimony in school assemblies and house group services. I preached during my training, and was fully accredited by the church 9 years ago.

During my first few weeks on this forum I was in a debate about female preachers. Someone was against them, and was saying the same as you. I replied that I was still training and if, in spite of all my prayers for guidance, I had got this wrong, then God could make it so that I failed an assignment or was asked by other preachers to leave. This other person said "I hope you don't have to fail before you realise that God does not want this for you."
I passed every assignment I wrote.
 
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Hi, I know that you possibly passed all the tests and you had the approval of many. I also know all about the prophetesses in the Bible the most intriguing one being Huldah. However, none of them taught in the assemblies of God. None of them in the synagogues. None of them led in the LORD's temples. Have I said, they did not lead in anything? No. I just said they never crossed that LINE.

I know what's its like to be proud to impart the word of God and see people have a 100% u-turn from their old ways. God wouldn't turn away from such a person because somebody did something wrong in the leadership. In fact, Aaron who led the Children of God into creating the Golden calf was rebuked but the people were given the chance to choose who to serve and the LORD spared all those who chose to follow his decrees. Therefore, God will hold everyone accountable for their actions.

Earlier on I wanted to teach a few believers on a crucial topic that I didn't see anyone teach but the Spirit held me back and having being the great contestant of this issue I had to obey. In less than a week, a man came forth not only taught what I wanted to but also gave a deeper insight on the whole issue. Anyway, I was happy that the Spirit confirmed the contentious issue that the teacher needed to teach. Have I said this to show you anything? No, not really. All I know is that the Spirit will fulfill his word in his OWN WAY.

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