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I met with some missionaries a few weeks ago and had a good talk. But what confused me is they said I must "drop logic" and ask God if the Book Of Mormon was true or not. They did not answer any of my question. So here are 10 of my questions.
1. The biggest one Joseph Smith said "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." including the bible.
The bible geography and archaeologically is more accurate then that of the Book Of Mormon. Like today I could take you to Bethlehem, Dead Sea, Jerusalem and countless other places mentioned in the Bible. Can the same be said for the BOM? Archaeologically the bible has countless great finds, can the same be said for the BOM?
Also the BOM mentions sheep, goats and other animals that were not around at the time. Also the BOM mentions Barley and wheat that was not around at the time either. Not to mention the Bible has maps, where the BOM does not have any. So how can we say the BOM is more correct then the Bible?
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2. My wife is black so this was also a big deal. In 2 Nephi 5:21 says "... wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."
Now the part where is says "white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome" Why is white skin delightsome? The bible says in Galatians 3:28 that we all are one in Christ regardless if Jew or gentile. So it looks like 2 Nephi was written from a mans point of view and not one from God. This same way of thinking was repeated in Alma 3:6. What are your thoughts?
3. Alma 7:10 says Jesus was born in Jerusalem, when the Bible repeatedly say he was born in Bethlehem. The missionaries said it was very close and that everyone knows where Jerusalem is but not everyone would know where Bethlehem was. But if the Book Of Mormon is the most correct book even more so then the bible how could it get that wrong?
4. In 2 Nephi 2:23 it says "And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin." the Bible specifically declares that Adam’s transgression was a sinful act of rebellion that unleashed the power of sin and death in the human heart and throughout God’s perfect world (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12; 8:20-21). Not that we would find "joy" through the fall. Being in God's presence is not that the most joyful experience ever?
5. Helaman 14:27 says at Christ's crucifixion, there was three days of darkness. The Bible says it was hours not 3 days. What do you think?
6. The Bible has been corrupted over time known as the Apostasy. But the Dead Sea scrolls are important as they show this to not be true. here are some links that go more in to this.
The Dead Sea Scrolls Shed Light on the Accuracy of our Bible
One of the most respected Old Testament scholars, the late Gleason Archer, examined the two Isaiah scrolls found in Cave 1 and wrote, “Even though the two copies of Isaiah discovered in Qumran Cave 1 near the Dead Sea in 1947 were a thousand years earlier than the oldest dated manuscript previously known (A.D. 980), they proved to be word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text. The five percent of variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling.”{7}
Despite the thousand year gap, scholars found the Masoretic Text and Dead Sea Scrolls to be nearly identical. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide valuable evidence that the Old Testament had been accurately and carefully preserved.
Is the Bible True? Proof 2: Dead Sea Scrolls
Norman Geisler is the author of several books on the subject of inerrancy: Inerrancy, 1978; General Introduction to the Bible, 1986; and From God to Us, 2012. Dr. Geisler says the Dead Sea Scrolls provide the best external evidence showing the validity of the Masoretic Text, proving that this text type was in fact accurately preserved over a period of about 1,000 years from the first century to the 900s A.D.
Another good link for this study:
The Dead Sea Scrolls and Biblical Integrity
7. Polygamy and a divided church. My question is why would God change his mind from the teachings of the Old, new testament in regards to LDS teachings? The bible both new and old testament say marriage is between one man and one woman. But early LDS teachings suggest that God changed his mind and allowed polygamy. Then in 1890 God changed his mind again and discontinued this act according to the LDS church.Yet some like the FLDS still continue this practice and has brought much tension between the LDS community. So why would God change his mind from the creation on man and woman and then re-change it back? and what LDS church is the true church when you both are very similar teachings just the FLDS has stayed faithful to that practice? The end of polygamy did not come from God, it came from pressure from the US government that ended this practice. So the LDS church is listening to man instead of God if this was true.
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8. Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. The Bible makes it clear that those who believe in and follow him are saved, or as Jesus put it in Luke 23 to a man who was dying for his crimes "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." There is no other "kingdoms" that are talked about in the bible nor does the Bible show favoritism on who gets what kingdom. As we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. As Paul put it in " but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?" We can see that Paul just like all of us struggles just like everyone of us and is no different then you or me.
But in Doctrine and Covenants 76:76 talking about the Celestial Kingdom it says "These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness." I do not recall where Jesus ever made such a claim. The bible said that all who call on him and follow him are one in Christ. So why is there the need for 3 kingdoms?
Galatians 3:26-28 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
9. Melchizedek priesthood. The LDS say they have the authority of the Melchizedek priesthood. But only Jesus holds that position according Hebrews 5:5-10 and nowhere in the bible mentions that anyone else would achieve this priesthood. Also through this priesthood LDS believe it gave them authority to administer to the sick and give special blessings to family members and others. Can you show me from the Bible where it states that the “authority” to preach the gospel, to baptize, and to offer the sacraments, comes from being a member of the Melchizedek priesthood?
10. The Book of Mormon speaks clearly that it was not inspired by God when you compare it with what God has already said about inspiration. I Nephi 1:3; 19:4-6: II Nephi 11:1; 25:7; 33:1; Mormon 1:2-6; Jacob 7:26-27, contrasted to Deuteronomy 4:2; 1 Corinthians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21. According to I Nephi 1:3 it says "And I know that the record which I make is true; and I make it with mine own hand; and I make it according to my knowledge."
Isaiah 59:21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants--from this time on and forever," says the LORD.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever."
John 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
So how can we honestly say the Book Of Mormon is more correct as it was made through human wisdom and the Bible is from God's and will last forever according Isaiah 40:8. But the LDS faith claim that through the Apostasy the bible became corrupted and only the Book Of Mormon is accurate. How does that make sense?
So from the Bible and the Book Of Mormon I do not see how the BOM could be even remotely more accurate then the Bible. I have a few more questions but will discuss those in another thread at a later time. Here is a video that I watched that I think it digs in to some of this deeper.
Here are some links that go deeper in this:
Is Mormonism Christian? | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
http://www.equip.org/article/is-the-book-of-mormon-credible/
I am a Mormon. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?
The LDS said they testified the book was true, but here are many more testimonies of members leaving the church.
Ex-Mormon Testimonies | 4Mormon
Discussion Forum
1. The biggest one Joseph Smith said "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book." including the bible.
The bible geography and archaeologically is more accurate then that of the Book Of Mormon. Like today I could take you to Bethlehem, Dead Sea, Jerusalem and countless other places mentioned in the Bible. Can the same be said for the BOM? Archaeologically the bible has countless great finds, can the same be said for the BOM?
Also the BOM mentions sheep, goats and other animals that were not around at the time. Also the BOM mentions Barley and wheat that was not around at the time either. Not to mention the Bible has maps, where the BOM does not have any. So how can we say the BOM is more correct then the Bible?
Biblical Archaeology’s Top Ten Discoveries of 2015
Biblical Archaeology’s Top 10 Discoveries of 2016
Archaeologists discover supposed new location of Jesus's trial in Jerusalem
2. My wife is black so this was also a big deal. In 2 Nephi 5:21 says "... wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."
Now the part where is says "white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome" Why is white skin delightsome? The bible says in Galatians 3:28 that we all are one in Christ regardless if Jew or gentile. So it looks like 2 Nephi was written from a mans point of view and not one from God. This same way of thinking was repeated in Alma 3:6. What are your thoughts?
3. Alma 7:10 says Jesus was born in Jerusalem, when the Bible repeatedly say he was born in Bethlehem. The missionaries said it was very close and that everyone knows where Jerusalem is but not everyone would know where Bethlehem was. But if the Book Of Mormon is the most correct book even more so then the bible how could it get that wrong?
4. In 2 Nephi 2:23 it says "And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin." the Bible specifically declares that Adam’s transgression was a sinful act of rebellion that unleashed the power of sin and death in the human heart and throughout God’s perfect world (Genesis 3:16-19; Romans 5:12; 8:20-21). Not that we would find "joy" through the fall. Being in God's presence is not that the most joyful experience ever?
5. Helaman 14:27 says at Christ's crucifixion, there was three days of darkness. The Bible says it was hours not 3 days. What do you think?
6. The Bible has been corrupted over time known as the Apostasy. But the Dead Sea scrolls are important as they show this to not be true. here are some links that go more in to this.
The Dead Sea Scrolls Shed Light on the Accuracy of our Bible
One of the most respected Old Testament scholars, the late Gleason Archer, examined the two Isaiah scrolls found in Cave 1 and wrote, “Even though the two copies of Isaiah discovered in Qumran Cave 1 near the Dead Sea in 1947 were a thousand years earlier than the oldest dated manuscript previously known (A.D. 980), they proved to be word for word identical with our standard Hebrew Bible in more than 95 percent of the text. The five percent of variation consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling.”{7}
Despite the thousand year gap, scholars found the Masoretic Text and Dead Sea Scrolls to be nearly identical. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide valuable evidence that the Old Testament had been accurately and carefully preserved.
Is the Bible True? Proof 2: Dead Sea Scrolls
Norman Geisler is the author of several books on the subject of inerrancy: Inerrancy, 1978; General Introduction to the Bible, 1986; and From God to Us, 2012. Dr. Geisler says the Dead Sea Scrolls provide the best external evidence showing the validity of the Masoretic Text, proving that this text type was in fact accurately preserved over a period of about 1,000 years from the first century to the 900s A.D.
Another good link for this study:
The Dead Sea Scrolls and Biblical Integrity
7. Polygamy and a divided church. My question is why would God change his mind from the teachings of the Old, new testament in regards to LDS teachings? The bible both new and old testament say marriage is between one man and one woman. But early LDS teachings suggest that God changed his mind and allowed polygamy. Then in 1890 God changed his mind again and discontinued this act according to the LDS church.Yet some like the FLDS still continue this practice and has brought much tension between the LDS community. So why would God change his mind from the creation on man and woman and then re-change it back? and what LDS church is the true church when you both are very similar teachings just the FLDS has stayed faithful to that practice? The end of polygamy did not come from God, it came from pressure from the US government that ended this practice. So the LDS church is listening to man instead of God if this was true.
Struggle For Statehood
8. Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. The Bible makes it clear that those who believe in and follow him are saved, or as Jesus put it in Luke 23 to a man who was dying for his crimes "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." There is no other "kingdoms" that are talked about in the bible nor does the Bible show favoritism on who gets what kingdom. As we are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God. As Paul put it in " but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?" We can see that Paul just like all of us struggles just like everyone of us and is no different then you or me.
But in Doctrine and Covenants 76:76 talking about the Celestial Kingdom it says "These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness." I do not recall where Jesus ever made such a claim. The bible said that all who call on him and follow him are one in Christ. So why is there the need for 3 kingdoms?
Galatians 3:26-28 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
9. Melchizedek priesthood. The LDS say they have the authority of the Melchizedek priesthood. But only Jesus holds that position according Hebrews 5:5-10 and nowhere in the bible mentions that anyone else would achieve this priesthood. Also through this priesthood LDS believe it gave them authority to administer to the sick and give special blessings to family members and others. Can you show me from the Bible where it states that the “authority” to preach the gospel, to baptize, and to offer the sacraments, comes from being a member of the Melchizedek priesthood?
10. The Book of Mormon speaks clearly that it was not inspired by God when you compare it with what God has already said about inspiration. I Nephi 1:3; 19:4-6: II Nephi 11:1; 25:7; 33:1; Mormon 1:2-6; Jacob 7:26-27, contrasted to Deuteronomy 4:2; 1 Corinthians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21. According to I Nephi 1:3 it says "And I know that the record which I make is true; and I make it with mine own hand; and I make it according to my knowledge."
Isaiah 59:21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants--from this time on and forever," says the LORD.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever."
John 17:8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
So how can we honestly say the Book Of Mormon is more correct as it was made through human wisdom and the Bible is from God's and will last forever according Isaiah 40:8. But the LDS faith claim that through the Apostasy the bible became corrupted and only the Book Of Mormon is accurate. How does that make sense?
So from the Bible and the Book Of Mormon I do not see how the BOM could be even remotely more accurate then the Bible. I have a few more questions but will discuss those in another thread at a later time. Here is a video that I watched that I think it digs in to some of this deeper.
Here are some links that go deeper in this:
Is Mormonism Christian? | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
http://www.equip.org/article/is-the-book-of-mormon-credible/
I am a Mormon. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?
The LDS said they testified the book was true, but here are many more testimonies of members leaving the church.
Ex-Mormon Testimonies | 4Mormon
Discussion Forum
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