My Blade Runner Challenge

[TLK Valentine]

For those of you unfamiliar with Ridley Scott's 1982 classic, in the film, a "Replicant" is an artificial person that both looks and behaves like a real human:

Used primarily as slave labor, Replicants led a murderous rebellion and are now illegal on Earth. Undaunted, the Tyrell Corporation has found a way to implant false memories into new replicants -- not only do they look and act human, but now some actually believe they are human.

My challenge is this: Is a replicant with embedded memories a human being -- yes or no?

 

[AV1611VET]

My challenge is this: Is a replicant with embedded memories a human being -- yes or no?

No.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yes.

 

[crjmurray]

This thread will disappear. Like tears in the rain.

 

[Tinker Grey]

"Like tears in *[] rain."

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is a replicant with embedded memories a human being -- yes or no?

Depends on what 'embedded' means. A Voigt-Kampff test would presumably show whether it had been internalized as the memories of that being. Even so, they would not be human, I deem, but still sentient and worthy of a certain moral status.

Call me a biological chauvinist. Maybe I'm wrong, but I won't live forever. But then again, who does?

 

[Shemjaza]

Yes even without the embedded memories. They might be born fully grown and their genetics might have been designed by humans, but they are human with some developmental issues due to their upbringing and limited life span.

 

[Shemjaza]

"Like tears in *[] rain."

Time to die...

 

[Oafman]

Depends if they dream of electric sheep.

 

[Ophiolite]

No.

Such compassion. It's almost awe inspiring.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Such compassion. It's almost awe inspiring.

And yet so revealing. Seems that we've gotten AV to admit that an artificially-created simulacrum with a fake embedded history is actually not the same as the real thing...

 

[AdamSK]

They may not biologically be a human being, but they certainly deserve the same rights and protections as any other people.

 

[Shemjaza]

And yet so revealing. Seems that we've gotten AV to admit that an artificially-created simulacrum with a fake embedded history is actually not the same as the real thing...

I don't want to put words in AVs mouth. But I believe he has stated in the past that there is something fundamental about the sperm egg interaction that transfers both ensouled humanity and the sin-nature.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I don't want to put words in AVs mouth. But I believe he has stated in the past that there is something fundamental about the sperm egg interaction that transfers both ensouled humanity and the sin-nature.

Nevertheless, we've already established in his "Next Apple 'Challenge'" that an imitation -- even a convincing one -- is not the same as the real thing. I eagerly await his tap-dancing on this one.

 

[Shemjaza]

Nevertheless, we've already established in his "Next Apple 'Challenge'" that an imitation -- even a convincing one -- is not the same as the real thing. I eagerly await his tap-dancing on this one.

AV is usually less on the Sci Fi Revelations: where Transhuman hybrids allow the Nephilim to be reborn because they are soulless abominations.

I'd assume AV is okay with IVF children, because that's basically same at natural just the mixing step happens outside the body. I guess slight modifications to allow for preventing disorders are less good but not abominable. I'm curious where the line between human and synthetic forgery exists.

A thing built from scratch by man, would still just be built from the same creation as everything else.

Synthetic life and demonstrated abiogenesis evidence, might work for a scifi version of the revelation miracles.

(Again, no offence AV, just you've said before that you think the Antichrist will be a scientist.)

 

[AdamSK]

I wrote a story about an artificial intelligence trying to join a church. Feedback welcome.

 

[AV1611VET]

And yet so revealing. Seems that we've gotten AV to admit that an artificially-created simulacrum with a fake embedded history is actually not the same as the real thing...

All you had to do is ask!

 

[AV1611VET]

They may not biologically be a human being, but they certainly deserve the same rights and protections as any other people.

So someone shooting Data should get the death penalty?

 

[AV1611VET]

(Again, no offence AV, just you've said before that you think the Antichrist will be a scientist.)

None taken!

 

[AV1611VET]

I wrote a story about an artificial intelligence trying to join a church. Feedback welcome.

Is the name of the story, Psychoheresy?