(moved) RAPTURE Prophecy, Church, and the Nation of Israel- Last Generation

[Joe Green]

All the history matches up,what calendar do you want me to use?

There are predictions by man, then there are Bible Prophecies that are 100%
correct.
Israel was first God'S chosen Nation which with their continuer backsliding,God
then grafted the Gentiles into his tree. Jesus organized the Church in the first
century and God has not forgotten the Jewish Nation, they will have their time
again. It is getting very close to this time of the, 144,000 Jewish evanglists.
The Church age is just about over. Please google Rapture 2023 and Prophecy
2023. The Jews can become part of this Holy Nation,also.

 

[Joe Green]

How do you prepare for this warning ?

Keep any or all sin under the Blood of Jesus.

 

[parousia70]

It makes a lot of sense to believe or say those born between 1948 and 1988 will see the Rapture.

But people born after 1988 won't?

 

[parousia70]

Israel was first God'S chosen Nation which with their continuer backsliding,God then grafted the Gentiles into his tree. Jesus organized the Church in the first century and God has not forgotten the Jewish Nation, they will have their time again.

You do realize that the Church was 100% Jewish in it's makeup for years do you not?

It was (and still is) the Nazarene sect of Judaism, the faithful remnant who followed Israel's Messiah. The "church" is not something separate from Israel, but rather is the remnant of the faithful within Israel.

Isaiah pointed out that in times of Israel's great apostasies, the faithful of the nation were reduced to a tiny remnant of elect ones (Isaiah 1:8-9). So it was in the first century, where Paul identifies himself as an example of the faithful remnant (Romans 11:1-5).

The apostles continually say that the members of the Nazarene sect are the true elect ones (2 Tim 2:10; Col 3:12; Galatians 6:15-16; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9-10 ).

However, as you demonstrate from your postings, you have a bizarre idea of who is Israel (you count the disobedient sons of Abraham as Israel while discounting entirely the faithful sons of Abraham).

St. Paul said that when the nation was in mass apostasy, the TRUE Israel was carried on not through the lineages of the wicked sons but rather through the OBEDIENT FEW (called the "remnant"), such as was true in Isaiah's day (Romans 9:27-29) and Elijah's day (Romans 11:3-5).

Peter says the same thing at Acts 3:22-24, where it is clear that the wicked jews who refuse Christ were to be "cut off from among the People of Israel" while the faithful jews (John the Baptist, Joseph and Mary, the Twelve, the Seventy, the three thousand on Pentecost day, and many other jews) were the True Faithful Israel.

Just as the jewish church abode with Moses in the wilderness (Acts 7:37-38), so Jesus had HIS jewish church (Mt. 16:18-19). And within a few years after Pentecost, the faithful Israel learned how to start accepting both jewish and also gentile followers from all over the empire to convert into their Nation (1 Peter 2:9-10; Mt 21:40-45). And so the tiny remnant True Israel grew into a worldwide Judaism living under the promised NEW covenant of Israel's Messiah.

And so it was also in Moses' day, when the countless thousands of wicked sons of Abraham were slain in the wilderness while the faithful sons of Abraham survived and got to enter the Promised Land. We must NEVER count the continuation of Israel through the wicked sons but rather always through the faithful remnant!

The Church is the faithful ones of Israel.

"Replacing" the everlasting Gospel and eternal Church of Israel with a future temple Judaism, complete with blood animal sacrifices and forced circumcision is the TRUE replacement theology of BACKWARD REDEMPTION.

A concept that, according to the apostles, is a rebuke against the Blood of Christ, a falling away from salvation.

 

[Revealing Times]

You do realize that the Church was 100% Jewish in it's makeup for years do you not?

It was (and still is) the Nazarene sect of Judaism, the faithful remnant who followed Israel's Messiah. The "church" is not something separate from Israel, but rather is the remnant of the faithful within Israel.

Isaiah pointed out that in times of Israel's great apostasies, the faithful of the nation were reduced to a tiny remnant of elect ones (Isaiah 1:8-9). So it was in the first century, where Paul identifies himself as an example of the faithful remnant (Romans 11:1-5).

The apostles continually say that the members of the Nazarene sect are the true elect ones (2 Tim 2:10; Col 3:12; Galatians 6:15-16; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9-10 ).

However, as you demonstrate from your postings, you have a bizarre idea of who is Israel (you count the disobedient sons of Abraham as Israel while discounting entirely the faithful sons of Abraham).

St. Paul said that when the nation was in mass apostasy, the TRUE Israel was carried on not through the lineages of the wicked sons but rather through the OBEDIENT FEW (called the "remnant"), such as was true in Isaiah's day (Romans 9:27-29) and Elijah's day (Romans 11:3-5).

Peter says the same thing at Acts 3:22-24, where it is clear that the wicked jews who refuse Christ were to be "cut off from among the People of Israel" while the faithful jews (John the Baptist, Joseph and Mary, the Twelve, the Seventy, the three thousand on Pentecost day, and many other jews) were the True Faithful Israel.

Just as the jewish church abode with Moses in the wilderness (Acts 7:37-38), so Jesus had HIS jewish church (Mt. 16:18-19). And within a few years after Pentecost, the faithful Israel learned how to start accepting both jewish and also gentile followers from all over the empire to convert into their Nation (1 Peter 2:9-10; Mt 21:40-45). And so the tiny remnant True Israel grew into a worldwide Judaism living under the promised NEW covenant of Israel's Messiah.

And so it was also in Moses' day, when the countless thousands of wicked sons of Abraham were slain in the wilderness while the faithful sons of Abraham survived and got to enter the Promised Land. We must NEVER count the continuation of Israel through the wicked sons but rather always through the faithful remnant!

The Church is the faithful ones of Israel.

"Replacing" the everlasting Gospel and eternal Church of Israel with a future temple Judaism, complete with blood animal sacrifices and forced circumcision is the TRUE replacement theology of BACKWARD REDEMPTION.

A concept that, according to the apostles, is a rebuke against the Blood of Christ, a falling away from salvation.

There is a nationalistic Israel, and a Spiritual Israel, one is and always will by Gods chosen people, by promise. The other Israel is those who believe in the PROMISES promised to Abraham. Pail clearly states that because of unbelief, Israel have been blinded, but because the Gentiles believed, they have been grafted into this family tree you speak of. Then he says what ? If they believe, then they will be GRAFTED BACK IN !!

Then he says All Israel will be saved. This is the part that confuses many. Not, all Jews will be saved, just like there are many Gentiles who will never believe. But, God sends Elijah, to turn Israel back to God before the Day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5-6), that is when Israel, AS A NATION will turn back to God, Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1-5, and ALL ISRAEL will be saved, as a nation. Not all Jews. Thus when the Anti-Christ/Beast conquers Israel, God will protect Israel (Woman Rev. 12) in the Wilderness.

The Church is Raptured before this happens. I find that people who don't understand the Rapture of the Church, also don't understand that Daniels 70th Week is all about the Repentance and atonement of Israel.

 

[keras]

Parousia: excellent post #164. I have copied it for reference.

Then he says what ? If they believe, then they will be GRAFTED BACK IN !!

Wrong. Romans 11:24 says the Jews could be grafted back, not that they will be.
You miss the many prophesies that say how only a remnant of Judah will be saved.
Your whole premise is geared to the support of the rapture theory, something not actually Biblical, so error compounds upon error. There is only one people of God, the Christian Church of every true believing individual; is the Israel of God.

 

[Revealing Times]

Parousia: excellent post #164. I have copied it for reference.


Wrong. Romans 11:24 says the Jews could be grafted back, not that they will be.
You miss the many prophesies that say how only a remnant of Judah will be saved.
Your whole premise is geared to the support of the rapture theory, something not actually Biblical, so error compounds upon error. There is only one people of God, the Christian Church of every true believing individual; is the Israel of God.

That is because you are confusing, I guess, what I think ALL ISRAEL MEANS...........I say it means Israel as a nation turns back to the Messiah, just like Zechariah 12:10 says. Not ALL JEWS............So that makes it a Remnant, RIGHT ? The Rapture is without question, to me its rather naive not to understand the Rapture.

 

[parousia70]

That is because you are confusing, I guess, what I think ALL ISRAEL MEANS...........I say it means Israel as a nation turns back to the Messiah, just like Zechariah 12:10 says. Not ALL JEWS............So that makes it a Remnant, RIGHT ? The Rapture is without question, to me its rather naive not to understand the Rapture.

You are entirely discounting entirely the REMNANT that Paul claimed to be part of, indeed a Ringleader of, in the first century.

That remnant is the ONLY Israel through whom which "National Israel" continued past the 1st century.

You position is akin to saying that the unfaithful Jews who were slain in the wilderness with Moses are to be counted as TRUE National Israel, while the Faithful remnant that lived to enter the promised land are NOT True National Israel.

 

[Joe Green]

You are entirely discounting entirely the REMNANT that Paul claimed to be part of, indeed a Ringleader of, in the first century.

That remnant is the ONLY Israel through whom which "National Israel" continued past the 1st century.

You position is akin to saying that the unfaithful Jews who were slain in the wilderness with Moses are to be counted as TRUE National Israel, whilnation,e the Faithful remnant that lived to enter the promised land are NOT True National Israel.

The Nation of Israel was a physical nation, not a spiritual or Holy Nation as the
Church.God wanted something greater for all nations and people.Thus he
organized the Church in the first Century. If you are a Jewish person you can
become a part of this Holy Nation, The Church.There will be a remnant of people
that we be saved and be in the Rapture, this includes all nations and people,
including the Jewish people. Have you been saved by the blood of Jesus?
It would be good for you to google Rapture 2023 and Prophecy 2023.

 

[Joe Green]

The Nation of Israel was a physical nation, not a spiritual or Holy Nation as the
Church.God wanted something greater for all nations and people.Thus he
organized the Church in the first Century. If you are a Jewish person you can
become a part of this Holy Nation, The Church.There will be a remnant of people
that we be saved and be in the Rapture, this includes all nations and people,
including the Jewish people. Have you been saved by the blood of Jesus?
It would be good for you to google Rapture 2023 and Prophecy 2023.

 

[keras]

The Rapture is without question, to me its rather naive not to understand the Rapture.

Take care that you are not deceived. Matthew 24:4

Dispensation believing people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture"--
they believe that before the beast (1) takes over (2) makes war on the saints, and (3) requires his mark on each person's body, that all Christians will be "raptured to heaven". No scripture states this will happen.
The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not partake in tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come. They cannot see the truths of the end times prophecy. They are so strengthened in deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

DISPENSATIONALISTS ARE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE RIGHT
The nature of deception is that you really believe what is false and that you disbelieve what is true. The only way that someone can come out of deception is if they really love the truth. If someone truly loves the scriptures, he will change his beliefs to conform to the scriptures when he sees that he is wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel that they have too much to lose by changing their false belief system. What if a dispensationalist preacher accepted the truth that he has been preaching a lie? Do you think his preacher friends will congratulate him for leaving deception? Do you think his dispensationalist congregation will be happy with him? There is a good chance that he will lose his place and position. Because many love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they will stay in deception rather lose their position or standing in their community. They cannot even afford to think that their beliefs may be wrong. You have to really love the truth to run this race.

Dispensationalism is a heresy taught all across the face of the earth in Bible colleges and seminaries. It is preached and taught from pulpits, in books, and videos. If you go to a dispensationalist church, the people may hand you an armload of books to read about dispensationalist schemes. They will invite you to sit through their heretical Bible studies and maybe have you watch dispensationalist teachers on videos or in conferences. They will use all kinds of sophistry in their sermons. They will take scriptures out of context and wrest with them in the most amazing ways. They will say that you are not a "Bible-believer" if you refuse to believe in dispensationalism. They will also tell you that you have to, "rightly divide the word of truth" as if the scriptures will lead you to dispensationalist conclusions. Then they may send more books home with you to read. If you remain unconvinced, they may berate you, and maybe even call you a heretic and hell is your destination.

DISPENSATIONALISM IS CONFUSED, with many differing views:
If a dispensationalist gives you a Bible, it will probably be a Scofield Reference Bible so that you can read Scofield's opinions and become a dispensationalist. There is typically one person in a church that is sold-out to dispensationalism and he is labelled the "prophecy expert" in the church.

The book of Romans teaches that God has not forgotten nor cast away Israel--his people which he foreknew, but they have to be saved by the blood of Jesus like anyone else and they have to obey the scriptures like anyone else. We are now one family: the Christian Israel of God.
The Bible teaches that there is a dichotomy between the Jew's religion and the church of God--the Jew's religion is a false religion, Revelation 3:9, NOT the counterpart of the gospel. Paul was a Jewish man, in the Jewish religion. He left the Jews' religion and came into the church of God.
Galatians 1:13 For you have heard of my membership in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and tried to destroy it.

1 Corinthians 12:2 You know that you were Gentiles, confused by dumb idols, even as you were led. [by false teachers]

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 The LORD our God is one LORD. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
Jews: the citizens of the State of Israel. Gentiles: the bulk of the worlds population. The Church of God: every true Christian person.
The separation is only between the true Christian Church of God and everyone else, be they Jews or Gentiles.

 

[Revealing Times]

Take care that you are not deceived. Matthew 24:4

That is what Jesus was telling people who can't understand scriptures, not people like me who hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. SMILE..

Dispensation believing people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture"--
they believe that before the beast (1) takes over (2) makes war on the saints, and (3) requires his mark on each person's body, that all Christians will be "raptured to heaven". No scripture states this will happen.

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That is Wrong, all scriptures point to this and state this as fact, you just have to hear the small still voice of the Holy Spirit, and he will guide you unto this understanding. All people are not given the same gifts, some have clear understanding of things, others have problem understanding certain things.

The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not partake in tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come. They cannot see the truths of the end times prophecy. They are so strengthened in deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

It teaches a TROUBLING PERIOD that is MORE TROUBLING than ALL OF the TROUBLES. All 2000 years are trials and tribulations, but there will be a time of trouble, like never before, this is Daniels 70th Week. It was designed to call Israel to Repentance, hence the name, Jacobs trouble. Jesus came to the Lost Sheep of Israel ONLY.......I can not understand why guys refuse to hear his Jesus' own words, the bible is about Israel, not the Church per se. The Church is an off-spring of Israel, all can be Christians, but mostly it has been Gentiles, because Israel have been blinded for a time, and God will call them back into the family before Jesus returns.

DISPENSATIONALISTS ARE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE RIGHT

DISPENSATIONALISM IS CONFUSED, with many differing views:

All of these sound like an Argument from a page on the net somewhere, so I will skip them. I don't need to hear the pompous rhetoric about why they are right and everyone else is wrong, even though they are the small minority in Christendom.........

The book of Romans teaches that God has not forgotten nor cast away Israel--his people which he foreknew, but they have to be saved by the blood of Jesus like anyone else and they have to obey the scriptures like anyone else. We are now one family: the Christian Israel of God.

So ? everyone knows Israel has to come to God by Faith, just as Abraham believed and was considered Righteous because of his belief, everyone knows that because of UNBELIEF Israel has been blinded, everyone understands that to REPENT, Israel has to accept Jesus as their Messiah, the Sacrificed Savior. So whats your point ? We know that Elijah turns Israel back unto God before the Day of the Lord (Malachi 4:5-6). They are STILL ISRAEL, and God deals with them at a Different time. That is the facts............NOT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. The bible clearly spells this out.

The Bible teaches that there is a dichotomy between the Jew's religion and the church of God--the Jew's religion is a false religion, Revelation 3:9, NOT the counterpart of the gospel. Paul was a Jewish man, in the Jewish religion. He left the Jews' religion and came into the church of God.

No kidding, we all know that a Rabbi is a false prophet. You don't seem to get that all Christendom understand that Israel has to turn unto Jesus, and they do, before the Abomination of Desolation happens, BUT.......After the Rapture.

Jews: the citizens of the State of Israel. Gentiles: the bulk of the worlds population. The Church of God: every true Christian person.
The separation is only between the true Christian Church of God and everyone else, be they Jews or Gentiles.

All of those scriptures are a given, so I still do not understand what points you are trying to make. Here is where I think you error. You think, it seems that we are saying Jews have a different path to joining the Family of God...........No one is saying any such thing, they have to come to God via the Blood of Jesus Christ...............The timing is just different, the Jews will be blinded until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled, then they will see again (Zechariah 12:10 Zechariah 13:1-5) because they ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR/Messiah........So please tell me whats different ? Nothing, the Church gets Raptured, there is a Seven Year peace/security Deal, it is the final week of Daniels prophecy that God designed to punish Israel and to bring them back into the Family. THAT'S THE WHOLE DESIGN, GO READ Daniel 9......The Church is in Heaven Rev. 19, marrying the Lamb, and Israel goes through Jacobs Trouble. Elijah preaches to them and they repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

When the Anti-Christ attacks, they heed Jesus' voice and flee to the wilderness where God protects Israel for 1260 Days, the exact amount of time that the A.C. has rule over the Saints of Israel (Jerusalem) You can't conquer Jerusalem without making war with the Saints. (Israel). The Anti-Christ beheads the "CHRISTIANS" who became Christians after the Rapture, they are the Martyrs under the Alter in the 5th Seal, they must wait until their fellow brothers are killed also, for a while. The CHURCH is already in Heaven.

Revelation chapter 12 tells you that Israel and the Christians are considered two different entities......YOU JUST HAVE TO READ IT CAREFULLY.

The Woman (Israel) in Rev. 12 flees into the Wilderness where God protects her, BUT.............

Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman,......... and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Catch the two entities here ? God protects Israel, so Satan is Angry, and he no doubt sends the Anti-Christ and his minions to make war with the REMNANT (Small part of) of HER SEED (Israels seed was Jesus Christ, the PROMISED SEED to come). God is showing you two things here, the Church is in Heaven, because there is only a REMNANT of the SEED (Church of Jesus Christ) left, the other part is in Heaven. The WOMAN IS PROTECTED (Israel)...........She is a different entity.

God gives us easy clues, but too many people overlook the simple things.

 

[keras]

That is what Jesus was telling people who can't understand scriptures, not people like me who hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. SMILE..

Paul also says there will come false teachers who will deceive those willing to listen to 'nice' outcomes. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
I too, believe I have heard the voice of the Holy Spirit and have received visions. One of us is wrong in what we have heard.
Something else you should consider: in just about everything that happened in the Bible, the majority were wrong.

 

[Revealing Times]

Paul also says there will come false teachers who will deceive those willing to listen to 'nice' outcomes. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
I too, believe I have heard the voice of the Holy Spirit and have received visions. One of us is wrong in what we have heard.
Something else you should consider: in just about everything that happened in the Bible, the majority were wrong.

I hear the Holy Spirit, and I back everything up Scripturally, not being a wisenheimer, just being very honest. When I see someone who doesn't understand the Rapture of the Church, its sends A "RED FLAG" up in the air to me, and I notice most of their doctrine in other places seems to also be off kilter. I see it as someone still suckling milk, when we are supposed to graduate to meat.

 

[parousia70]

The Nation of Israel was a physical nation, not a spiritual or Holy Nation as the
Church.

So you are saying there was nothing spiritual about Mosaic Israel? Nothing spiritual about the Law? Nothing spiritual about the Covenant delivered to Moses?

God wanted something greater for all nations and people.

True

Thus he
organized the Church in the first Century. If you are a Jewish person you can
become a part of this Holy Nation, The Church.

Indeed, in it's inception ONLY Jews made up the Church.
Again, the Church began as the Nazarine sect of Judaism, of whom Paul was a ringleader of the believing Remnant

There will be a remnant of people

There WAS a remnant, Paul describes it and describes Himself as a ringleader of that Remnant!

Again, You are entirely discounting entirely the REMNANT that Paul claimed to be part of, indeed a Ringleader of, in the first century.

That remnant is the ONLY Israel through whom which "National Israel" continued past the 1st century.

You position is akin to saying that the unfaithful Jews who were slain in the wilderness with Moses are to be counted as TRUE National Israel, while the Faithful remnant that lived to enter the promised land are NOT True National Israel.

Why do you Ignore this 1st century Remnant testified about in scripture?

What do you believe was the purpose of the 1st century Remnant?
Was it prophesied? if so, where?

Maybe you think the Remnant in the 1st century was meaningless? Useless? Of no prophesied import?
Please explain.

Have you been saved by the blood of Jesus?

Yes, but that is a question no one posting in this thread needs to ask of one another.

It would be good for you to google Rapture 2023 and Prophecy 2023.

rather, it would be good for you to go back and re read my post #164 and, using all the scripture I cited, explain to us why those infallible, inspired scriptures do not mean what I contend they do.
I prefer the inspired testimony of Christ and the Apostles to the fallible, fanciful musings of mere mens websites.

 

[Joe Green]

Take care that you are not deceived. Matthew 24:4

Dispensation believing people believe that there will be a "pre-tribulation rapture"--
they believe that before the beast (1) takes over (2) makes war on the saints, and (3) requires his mark on each person's body, that all Christians will be "raptured to heaven". No scripture states this will happen.
The Bible does not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. It teaches tribulation. Because these people believe that they will not partake in tribulation, they are not spiritually or physically preparing themselves, or their children, for what is to come. They cannot see the truths of the end times prophecy. They are so strengthened in deception that they cannot see nor hear. Not only are they deceived, they condemn anyone who does not believe in a pretribulation rapture.

DISPENSATIONALISTS ARE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE RIGHT
The nature of deception is that you really believe what is false and that you disbelieve what is true. The only way that someone can come out of deception is if they really love the truth. If someone truly loves the scriptures, he will change his beliefs to conform to the scriptures when he sees that he is wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel that they have too much to lose by changing their false belief system. What if a dispensationalist preacher accepted the truth that he has been preaching a lie? Do you think his preacher friends will congratulate him for leaving deception? Do you think his dispensationalist congregation will be happy with him? There is a good chance that he will lose his place and position. Because many love the praise of men more than the praise of God, they will stay in deception rather lose their position or standing in their community. They cannot even afford to think that their beliefs may be wrong. You have to really love the truth to run this race.

Dispensationalism is a heresy taught all across the face of the earth in Bible colleges and seminaries. It is preached and taught from pulpits, in books, and videos. If you go to a dispensationalist church, the people may hand you an armload of books to read about dispensationalist schemes. They will invite you to sit through their heretical Bible studies and maybe have you watch dispensationalist teachers on videos or in conferences. They will use all kinds of sophistry in their sermons. They will take scriptures out of context and wrest with them in the most amazing ways. They will say that you are not a "Bible-believer" if you refuse to believe in dispensationalism. They will also tell you that you have to, "rightly divide the word of truth" as if the scriptures will lead you to dispensationalist conclusions. Then they may send more books home with you to read. If you remain unconvinced, they may berate you, and maybe even call you a heretic and hell is your destination.

DISPENSATIONALISM IS CONFUSED, with many differing views:
If a dispensationalist gives you a Bible, it will probably be a Scofield Reference Bible so that you can read Scofield's opinions and become a dispensationalist. There is typically one person in a church that is sold-out to dispensationalism and he is labelled the "prophecy expert" in the church.

The book of Romans teaches that God has not forgotten nor cast away Israel--his people which he foreknew, but they have to be saved by the blood of Jesus like anyone else and they have to obey the scriptures like anyone else. We are now one family: the Christian Israel of God.
The Bible teaches that there is a dichotomy between the Jew's religion and the church of God--the Jew's religion is a false religion, Revelation 3:9, NOT the counterpart of the gospel. Paul was a Jewish man, in the Jewish religion. He left the Jews' religion and came into the church of God.
Galatians 1:13 For you have heard of my membership in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and tried to destroy it.

1 Corinthians 12:2 You know that you were Gentiles, confused by dumb idols, even as you were led. [by false teachers]

1 Corinthians 12:12-13 The LORD our God is one LORD. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
Jews: the citizens of the State of Israel. Gentiles: the bulk of the worlds population. The Church of God: every true Christian person.
The separation is only between the true Christian Church of God and everyone else, be they Jews or Gentiles.

keras, 1 Thess. 5:4 - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should
overtake you as a thief. True Christians will know close to the year of
the Rapture.

 

[parousia70]

keras, 1 Thess. 5:4 - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that day should
overtake you as a thief. True Christians we know close to the year of the
Rapture.

Do you think the true 1st century Christians at Sardis "knew" how close it was when Christ promised His thief's coming would be fall them in their day??

Remember therefore how you have received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore you will not watch, I will come on you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. (Revelaton 3:3)

 

[Joe Green]

The word Trinity can not be found in the NT, it is a mystery, the word Rapture
can not be found in the NT it is a mystery.
Read: 1 Thess. 4:16 and 17, St. Matthew 24 and 30, 1 Corinthians 15:51 and
52. This is referring to the Rapture. Any true Christian will recognize
immediately this is referring to the Rapture. Take care that you are not deceived Matthew 24:4.

 

[parousia70]

The word Trinity can not be found in the NT, it is a mystery, the word Rapture
can not be found in the NT it is a mystery.
Read: 1 Thess. 4:16 and 17, St. Matthew 24 and 30, 1 Corinthians 15:51 and
52. This is referring to the Rapture. Any true Christian will recognize
immediately this is referring to the Rapture. Take care that you are not deceived Matthew 24:4.

Matthew 24 sounds like a reverse rapture:

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

As the days of Noah were, the wicked are TAKEN, the righteous left.

 

[keras]

I hear the Holy Spirit, and I back everything up Scripturally, not being a wisenheimer, just being very honest. When I see someone who doesn't understand the Rapture of the Church, its sends A "RED FLAG" up in the air to me, and I notice most of their doctrine in other places seems to also be off kilter. I see it as someone still suckling milk, when we are supposed to graduate to meat.

OK, then back up Scripturally your belief of a rapture removal to heaven.
I 'don't understand' the rapture because it isn't stated in scripture, but mainly because God has other plans for His people on earth.
And for Him to take us away, would mean that His intention to have a people in the holy Land as His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, will have failed.