Misconception: God has TWO separate and distinct peoples, TWO programs of redemption

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This article is written by full preterist John Noe and does not have any full preterist teachings anywhere in the article.


Since when? From the beginning, there has only been a oneness— one Garden of Eden, one tree of life, one Noah’s ark, one ark of the covenant, one Tabernacle, one Temple, one priesthood, one hope, one faith, one Spirit, one baptism, one body depicted by one olive tree into which believing Gentiles were grafted and unbelieving Jews broken off, but can be re-grafted in. There is only one everlasting New Covenant promised to Israel, one “time of the end,” one salvation that is of the Jews, and one nation or people of God. This oneness has been consistently maintained throughout God’s dispensations. This oneness has never been divided or disconnected.

The relatively modern theory of a separation or distinction between Israel and the Church was introduced into Church history in the 1830’s by John Nelson Darby. Darby placed the ethnic Jews at the heart of his dispensational prophetic system. He taught that when the Jews rejected Christ, God set them aside for awhile and inserted the Church Age. Hence, Darby and his followers surmised that God has two different programs and two different destinies for two different peoples. But Darby’s dichotomizing notion is without scriptural warrant. Even worse, it would be “crucifying the Son of God all over again” (Heb. 6:6).

God’s one plan was that his Christ would appear “once and for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb. 9:26). That once was sufficient. In this manner, believing Jews and Gentiles are united together as equal heirs of God’s blessings and equal partakers of God’s promises in one body through the one Messiah. This union of Jew-Gentile oneness was the goal of God’s one, completed program of redemption. That’s why “in Christ” the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been utterly done away and one, New Covenant people formed (Rom. 10:12; Gal. 3:26-29; Eph. 2:14-22; 3:6; 4:4; Col. 3:15; John 17:21; 1 Cor. 12:12-13). Jew-Gentile unity was the bottom line.

Let’s not put ethnic division back. There is no such thing as an exempted group of people. Nor are Christianity and the Church Age a “plan B.” Christianity is God’s one and only plan. God’s grand purpose was not to draw more boundaries or put up another wall of partition between Jews and Gentiles, but to make all one in Christ (Eph. 1:10). Jews must come to God in exactly the same way as the Gentiles do. This Christological unity and oneness continuity is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise from Genesis to Revelation that “all peoples of earth will be blessed through you” (Gen. 12:3b; also see: 18:18; 22:18; Gal. 3:8; Rev. 21 & 22). It’s the mystery Paul made known (Eph. 3:3-6). Thus, biblical faith became truly universal in the 1st century. All physical Jews and Gentiles are invited to become citizens of that one nation and one people of God via God’s one and only way of salvation (1 Pet. 2:9).

God’s one inclusive plan of redemption does not await a future millennium or tribulation period. Nor is Christianity merely a “fill-in religion,” a “great gap,” or a “parenthesis” between two ends for a national or ethnic Israel. There is no room in Scripture for two separate peoples, programs, destinies, or even two separate applications. The idea of a “Church/Israel dichotomy” is a popular but unbiblical invention. Unfortunately, it’s so deeply implanted in some hearts that God’s oneness may be hard to swallow.

Let’s understand that “Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy” (Rom. 15:8-9). This understanding saves us from the error that Christianity is separate from the Jewish promises. We’d all be well-advised in this instance to follow the admonition “What God has joined together, let man not separate [put assunder]” (Matt. 19:6 NIV [KJV]).

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The misconception here is that Dispensationalists imagine that there are two programs of redemption.

You said it!

Gentiles have Christ!

But according to Dispensationalism do not the Jews have both Christ, but if they reject Him during this "church age" and miss this so-called "Rapture", no worries, they have Israel and temple sacrifices too to fall back on.
 
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No. Dispensationalism teaches no such thing.

then what purpose does the rapture serve?

and how much it contradicts ephesians 3:21 and romans 8:9.

according to you god raptures the church and the holy spirit at the world's most desperate hour of need, kills millions of jews, brings the church back to earth for a 1000 years, then destroys said earth.

rubbish!
 
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Preterism, open theism, and covenant theology are all rubbish, in that they are all non-Biblical. Acts 28:28 dispensationalism is not rubbish, since everything can be backed up by direct scriptural quotes and by comparing scripture with scripture.

From Abraham to Acts 28:28, there is no scripture that shows believing Gentiles being separate from Israel's program. During Acts, believing Gentiles were grafted into Israel. Before that, Gentiles had to become proselytes to participate in Israel's promises. Until Acts 28:28, Gentiles were never equal to Israel. However, in Paul's last 7 books, which cover the present age, Israel doesn't exist as a separate entity. Everyone is equal and individual in God's eyes.
 
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But according to Dispensationalism do not the Jews have both Christ, but if they reject Him during this "church age" and miss this so-called "Rapture", no worries, they have Israel and temple sacrifices too to fall back on.
I don't know what "Dispensationalism" teaches > actually, I would "bet" that there are different ways that people are "dispensationalist" . . . like how we have a great variety of "Christian" beliefs.

I think Paul is very clear how the Jews' keeping the law is not enough >

"a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ" (in Galatians 2:16)

Also, in Acts 26:18 I see how each person needs to be turned "from the power of Satan to God". And "we" who now are with Jesus have been "by nature children of wrath, just as the others" (in Ephesians 2:3) > Paul says he who was a Jew was also once "by nature" a child of wrath, "just as the others", which I understand means Gentiles and Jews, as "others". He is clearly saying he was no better than Gentiles, though Jews could feel they were somehow superior to Gentiles, and Paul had been a Pharisee who could look down on anyone not a Pharisee; yet, now that Paul has come to Jesus, he knows he was not better a sinner than anyone else, I consider.

Also, Paul says >

"if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing" (in Galatians 5:2)

So, it is clear the Jews do not have the Law to "fall back on", I would say, from this scripture.

Acts 28:28 dispensationalism
Well, Paul says that salvation has come to the Gentiles, and Paul a Jew was involved in ministering this. So, Jews brought salvation to the Gentiles, I consider :) - - - after other Jews refused. So, God's obedient Jews have brought salvation to us Gentiles!

Until Acts 28:28, Gentiles were never equal to Israel.
For us who now are in Jesus >

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

So, I can see how a child of God has only the identity of being a child of God > 1 John 3:1. Also, this means that sexual preference and the names of religious groups and "Jew" and "American" and dispensationalist are not really identities for us in Jesus. Jesus Himself is all there is to our real identity.

And we all are one in "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6).

So . . . about dispensationalism > this, I understand, can mean how things are dispensed . . . according to what I read in at least one online dictionary. So, the Biblical meaning would be how God has been dispensing His blessing, I would think, all through human history.

At the time of creation, God made living beings and then He blessed His living beings > Genesis 1. So, blessing His creation was dispensing.

Then He took care of the Jews, and gave them the Law which Paul says has been good for bringing people to Jesus > Galatians 3:24. And Paul says the law has been good for exposing Paul's sin problems > Romans 7:7. So, the Law is God's blessing which was dispensed, so we can see our need for Jesus.

And now in Jesus we have grace for salvation, and I believe grace includes God in us actually effecting our nature with His love, so we become more and more like Jesus > Galatians 4:19, 1 John 4:17.

So, this would be Biblical dispensationalism . . . of God dispensing His blessing.

Now, I notice how God blessed His living beings, at the time of the creation. And I notice how living beings have kept on living and surviving, in spite of all the evil and ones trying to kill and eat them. So, this shows me how much blessing can do; living beings have continued all that time until now, because of that blessing in the beginning!!! And so, we do well to bless, in Jesus, so there is an eternal result, not only on this earth. So, God would have us included in His dispensing of blessing >

"Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing." (1 Peter 3:8-9)

So, Biblical dispensing includes dispensing God's blessing to one another, "that you may inherit a blessing," Peter does say. So, if a dispensationalist view does not have me busy with blessing, it is not Biblical. It seems for certain people, dispensationalism is mainly about ideas and arguing and justifying what they believe. But I think not all dispensationalists are alike . . . since each individual can have different ways of living what he or she believes :) . . . ones mainly by blessing, others mainly by arguing and even looking down on others who make different claims. So, I need to not be self-righteously critical, but blessing.

S:) > God bless you :)
 
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then what purpose does the rapture serve?

and how much it contradicts ephesians 3:21 and romans 8:9.

according to you god raptures the church and the holy spirit at the world's most desperate hour of need, kills millions of jews, brings the church back to earth for a 1000 years, then destroys said earth.

rubbish!

You really need to learn something of what the people you want to debate actually teach. You repeatedly demonstrate that you really do not have the slightest idea what we actually teach. You evidently only know what prejudiced people have told you we believe.
 
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Preterism, open theism, and covenant theology are all rubbish, in that they are all non-Biblical. Acts 28:28 dispensationalism is not rubbish, since everything can be backed up by direct scriptural quotes and by comparing scripture with scripture.

From Abraham to Acts 28:28, there is no scripture that shows believing Gentiles being separate from Israel's program. During Acts, believing Gentiles were grafted into Israel. Before that, Gentiles had to become proselytes to participate in Israel's promises. Until Acts 28:28, Gentiles were never equal to Israel. However, in Paul's last 7 books, which cover the present age, Israel doesn't exist as a separate entity. Everyone is equal and individual in God's eyes.

acts of the apostles 10, acts of the apostles 13:46-47,

acts of the apostles 15 + 1 thessalonians 2:14-16 + isaiah 65:11-12 + matthew 23:32-36 + luke 11:49-51 + isaiah 65:6-7 + luke 13:33 + revelation 11:8 + revelation 17:6 + revelation 18:20 + revelation 18:24 + deuteronomy 32:43 + deuteronomy 32:36 + daniel 12:7 + luke 21:22 + luke 21:32 + isaiah 61:1-2 + isaiah 63:3-6 + isaiah 5:1-7 + deuteronomy 32:32-35 + revelation 14:14-20 + revelation 15:3 + revelation 15:8 + leviticus 26:18,21,24,28 + matthew 21:43 + matthew 22:1-10 + 2 thessalonians 1:4-10 + isaiah 65:15 + hosea 1:10 + hosea 2:23 + isaiah 66:18-21 + 1 peter 2:9-10 + colossians 3:11 + ephesians 3:1-6 + galatians 3 + ephesians 2:11-22 + ephesians 3:21 + isaiah 9:7 + isaiah 65:23-24 + isaiah 66:22 + galatians 6:15-16
 
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What are all those scripture quotes for? I looked at about 10 of them and, as usual in the scripture you quote, I saw nothing in them that was pertinent to anything I wrote.

Also, how can you insult us by pasting all that long, unscriptural trash by a preterist? Can't you find a preterist site to post on instead of contaminating this dispensational forum?
 
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What are all those scripture quotes for? I looked at about 10 of them and, as usual in the scripture you quote, I saw nothing in them that was pertinent to anything I wrote.

Also, how can you insult us by pasting all that long, unscriptural trash by a preterist? Can't you find a preterist site to post on instead of contaminating this dispensational forum?

It is a reference chain, read and compare each verse to the prior verse and the verse after, finding the common theme in prophecy. I dont usually have an internet connection with a proper computer and keyboard. But post with a cursor and onscreen keyboard instead which makes large posts grueling long and tedious.
 
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