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Married Teacher Fired Over Premarital Sex

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Washington, Jun 9, 2010.

  1. Washington

    Washington New Member

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    "Fourth-grade teacher Jarretta Hamilton was newly married and expecting a baby when she went to speak with her supervisors in April of last year.

    But the administrators at Southland Christian School in St. Cloud parried her query about maternity leave with a query of their own: When did she conceive?

    After Hamilton admitted that her child had been conceived about three weeks before her February 20, 2009, wedding, the school fired her.

    Now she's suing in federal court.

    A July 20, 2009, letter signed by school administrator Julie Ennis explains why the school's administrators thought they had to fire Hamilton:

    "Jarretta was asked not to return because of a moral issue that was disregarded, namely fornication, sex outside of marriage," the letter reads. "The employment application, which she filled out, clearly states that as a leader before our students we require all teachers to maintain and communicate the values and purpose of our school."

    The letter declares that sex outside of marriage is immoral and that other pregnant teachers have been able to remain employed with the school because they conceived within marriage.

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    While she has my sympathies, this is what happens when you work for an intolerant Christian organization: "Jesus forgives so we don't have to. And, it's our way or the highway, so happy job shopping. BTW, don't expect a favorable reference."
     
  2. Texan40

    Texan40 seeking wisdom

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    So holding to your own principles is now "intolerant" eh? Well color me intolerant then. She knew the specifics of the job beforehand and either lied or disregarded them as unimportant. She has no legal foot to stand on. I don't believe that she would necessarily be a bad influence on children just because she got pregnant before she was married; The children she would be teaching would likely never even find out. From a "common sense" approach I certainly don't outright defend the school's disciplinary action but I can't ignore their right to issue discipline as they see it warranted.
     
  3. interpreter

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    She can always get a job at a public school where she would be welcomed I'm sure.
     
  4. Mela Monkey

    Mela Monkey Kevin Kevin Kevin

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    I wonder why she feels the need to sue.. whatever happened to being like Jesus, the whole.. "turn the other cheek" idea? I dunno.. i'm just personally against sueing for the most part.

    '"She wants compensation for the loss of the job, and she's seeking compensatory damages for emotional distress," said Edward Gay, Hamilton's attorney who filed the suit in U.S. District Court in Orlando.'
     
  5. seashale76

    seashale76 Orthodox Christian

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    People should realize that when you work for a religious organization then you agree to play by their rules. They have the right to only want people who believe exactly as they do to work for them. If I'm not mistaken, they made her sign their rules, regulations, and statement of faith. If you don't like it, then teach in a secular school. I'm a Christian and I have differing beliefs from all of the Christian schools in my area. I would never work for them or put any child of mine in their care for indoctrination because I don't condone all of their beliefs and I know they don't condone all of mine. If, by chance, I were a parent who paid good money to put my child in such an institution- then it stands to reason that I agree with their beliefs and would certainly expect all employees to follow them as well.​
     
  6. Washington

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    Okay.


    And why bother with a "common sense approach" when a strict adherence to the rules is so much easier. It obviates the need for bothersome considerations.



    Only until you find yourself wrongly treated, I would suspect.



    This is something that isn't addressed in the article; however, I suspect that having mention the rule, but not indicating she had seen or signed it--a critical point--that she did not.
     
  7. Phylogeny

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    I don't agree with the school's action. But I also don't think the woman has much legal standing. It's a private school and it was spelled out clearly what they are expecting of their teachers.

    That said.....it seems the school's behavior is a bit incongruous with their religious teachings. Namely to forgive others for sinful transgressions, or to help those who have need of assistance. Certainly, a pregnant woman will be better off with more money in the bank. Turning away someone like that seems unChristian to be. More importantly, she made a mistake and the school decides to not forgive or use this as a teaching point to students.

    So instead of learning that people----even teachers----can commit sinful acts and they can find forgiveness as long as they repent, the students will learn that sinful behavior will be punished long after the person has committed them and no amount of 'right' behavior (i.e marrying the father, being a productive member of society, supporting the child) will allow for forgiveness. Geesh, not sure that's the message I want to give to my kid.
     
  8. mont974x4

    mont974x4 The Christian Anarchist Supporter

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    The school has standards and an image it must maintain. This is why many organizations, religious and otherwise, have morality clauses in their contracts. This is something generally understood when people agree to work with an employer.

    It's a bad time to get fired and I feel for her. However, that's the end of my sympathy. She knew what she was getting into and the lawsuit only shows her to be petty and vindictive.
     
  9. ArnautDaniel

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    Christians have an image they must uphold.

    That everyone knows that Christians fail to live up to this image is why so many people consider Christians to by holier-than-thou hypocrites.

    Jesus, on the other hand, used to hang out with sinners of various stripes.
     
  10. mont974x4

    mont974x4 The Christian Anarchist Supporter

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    Jesus told sinners to sin no more. He commanded people to be holy. The fact that we are all growing in holiness does not make us hypocrites. Admittedly, some are but they are precisely why the person was fired. We represent Christ. When God commanded that we do not take His name in vain He was not talking about cussing.
     
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  11. ArnautDaniel

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    I would think Christ was perfectly capable of representing himself.

    Does he know you've appointed yourselves to the job?
     
  12. Washington

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    For a couple of reasons, I think she does.

    Her right of privacy was violated.
    "In the complaint, which asks for a trial by jury, Hamilton alleges her termination was based on the fact of her pregnancy — and that the school offended her by disclosing the information about when she conceived to other school staffers and the parents of students Hamilton taught during the 2008-2009 school year.

    Hamilton did not authorize the school to reveal that information, according to the complaint."

    The specifics of the school's "values and purpose" were not spelled out. According to the school,
    "The employment application, which she filled out, clearly states that as a leader before our students we require all teachers to maintain and communicate the values and purpose of our school."
    As it stands, this leaves the school in a position to use any pretext it wishes to fire an employee by simply declaring that it violates the school's values and purpose. Employment security is at the whim of the school administration. Don't like the way a teacher dressed at the beach? Fire her for violating school's values and purpose. Don't like the fact that he was spotted going to a dance? Fire him for violating school's values and purpose. Not spelled out in the employment application? Tough!
     
  13. mont974x4

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    Actually, He appointed us. I am simply restating what Scripture actually says. I am sorry that you do not understand that.

    unsubscribing
     
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  14. mpok1519

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    Wow; she worked for a group of sociopaths.

    Thats pretty crazy. Legal or not what the school did was messed up.

    I hope the judge drains that school of every penny it has. There's simply not enough room in this world for crazies like that.

    Soooo, how come other teachers weren't fired for being fat disgusting slobs who eat fast food all the time in iscordance with scripture? How Can teachers be fired for sinning? You sin knowingly everyday without repentance. If a teacher ever gave or recieved oral sex can tey be fired? Since oral sex isn't biblical and all...can they be fired fr breaking the law like speeding? Can they be fired for not paying their bills on time? Can they be fires for watching a pornographic movie? Can they be fired for ever taking the lords name in vain?can they be fired for ever telling a lie?


    Hmm. Just more example of hypocrisy we see in the Christian sector of life. I hope that lady gets millions and that school goes bankrupt. Sorry kids your superiors are complete imbeciles and don't deserve to teach.

    Go to public school; you get to learn about real concepts like evolution which will be a big help if you decide on a real career path.
     
  15. Exiledoomsayer

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    Do not let that dirty sinner near those kids! wont somebody please think of the children!

    Seriously though, she knew she was getting mixed up with bigots and she should not have expected to get away with it. I would not be in the slightest surprised if she would not have made the same call if it had happend to somebody else. But ofcourse its only hypocracy if it happens to you.
     
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    Yeah, that's the idea. We've taken religion completely out of state-funded schools but we can go a step farther! Let's just ban the "loonies" from being able to establish a school at all! That'll show 'em! On the other hand we can apply the law judicially rather than emotionally and get on with our lives.
     
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  18. lawtonfogle

    lawtonfogle My solace my terror, my terror my solace.

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    She had sex in a committed relationship which was obviously ready for marriage. Just because the state hadn't signed the paperwork yet does not mean it was a sin.
     
  19. ArnautDaniel

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    Funny that you couldn't provide a quote....

    But, oh well, you're gone.
     
  20. mpok1519

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    Or ban the loonies thus saving the judicial process time and resources so in the future the law can better and more effeciently be judicially applied.

    Point: I feel sorry for the kids who go to that school.