Lent vs Sabbath

[Montalban]

Going to Mass is not the same as keeping the Sabbath holy. For one, it starts on Friday at sundown, and ends of Saturday at sundown. During that 24 hour period no secular work, or worldly pleasure seeking is to be done, but persons are to put those things aside and give themselves to worship, fellowship, Bible study, prayer, etc, etc. I doubt that kind of Mass is promoted or enforced by Rome.

And yet Jesus 'worked' on the Sabbath, and when rebuked pointed out David did the same thing. Then Jesus said that the Sabbath is made for man.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Or women

I think you may on to something.
Freeing up our sabbath Saturday for a list of household chores, and running churchly interference with football Sundays literally reeks of estrogen.

Women have rights too

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, you do, but are those passages Commandments written by the finger of God? I don't think so!

Good point

http://www.christianforums.com/t7352302-8/#post51099953
John 8 and Jesus writing in dirt

Luke 11:20 If yet in finger of God I am casting out the demons consequently unawares upon ye the Kingdom of the God.

John 8:6 This yet they said trying Him, that they may be having to be accusing of Him.
But Jesus stooped down, and to the finger wrote into the ground.

 

[listed]

The Pope of Rome has made another call for 1 Billion Catholics to faithfully observe the 40 days of Lent.

ZENIT - On the 40 Days of Lent

Why is it that the Pope of Rome calls for the celebration of Lent based on 40 days of fasting and prayers, but does not also call 1 Billion Catholics to celebrate the 7th day Sabbath once a week, which is based on the perfect number 7, and has a commandment written by the finger of God to back it up, while Lent is based on church tradition. It brings to mind what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matthew 15:6-9;

". . . Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."


Exodus 20:8-11;

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

What is valid about your question? To me it is like calling apples donkeys.

 

[listed]

Going to Mass is not the same as keeping the Sabbath holy. For one, it starts on Friday at sundown, and ends of Saturday at sundown. During that 24 hour period no secular work, or worldly pleasure seeking is to be done, but persons are to put those things aside and give themselves to worship, fellowship, Bible study, prayer, etc, etc. I doubt that kind of Mass is promoted or enforced by Rome.

Why not? Isn't the Scripture cited about Jesus and Paul being in the synagogue equated with keeping the sabbath?

 

[listed]

Yes, you are correct. Sadly, most professed Christians refuse to obey the most plain and direct commandments of God, but instead follow the traditions of men instead.

Is it refuse to keep the sabbath or is it the fact that the Christian is in a different covenant and not oblgated to more than one covenant?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is valid about your question? To me it is like calling apples donkeys.

Never heard that one before

 

[listed]

Suit yourself, but we follow the New Testament in believing that we are no longer to be judged in the matter of days and feasts now that the Lord by his sacrifice on the Cross has freed us from the ritualistic laws previously required of the Hebrews. Romans 14.5-6 and Galatians 4.7-10

That's all that needs to be said.

Amen! Oh yeah I have to remember those cute little things over on the side. Here

 

[listed]

Or women

http://www.christianforums.com/t3078067-47/#post24673636
Was Ellen White a prophetess or a hoax..

That is a good one LittleLambof Jesus.

 

[listed]

Wrong. The Bible is made up of the OT and the NT, Jesus quoted 100% OT Scripture texts in his NT teachings. Yes, ceremonial feasts and days were to pass away, but the 10 Commandments are not ceremonial they are moral and apply to all being humans and angels for all time. The death of Jesus did not change things in such a way to enable men to continue in sin with impunity.

I agree with your last sentence. No one here is promoting people to sin with impunity.

 

[listed]

Agreed. Probably one of the most controversial topics on CF

http://www.christianforums.com/t7595979/
Is the Sabbath still something we should abide by?

I hear alot of Christians say that the Sabbath is only for the Jews and does not apply to Christians today?
Why does Jesus say
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

Last time I checked the Sabbath was one of those commandments.
So, what's going on? It tortures me inside to not know the answer.
Why would Jesus teach us to keep the Commandments if they weren't necessary?
I am only a novice so would really love someone with knowledge to answer this for me.
thanks

It is simple really. Jesus doesn't teach the ten commandments. He never once mentions or implies the keeping of the sabbath as a requirement for His followers. Instead He plainly says He is the sabbath in Mat 11:28-30.

28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[listed]

Yes, you do, but are those passages Commandments written by the finger of God? I don't think so!

Produce the stone tablets. Or prove that the new covenant isn't the current covenant for Christians. I don't think anyone can do either.

 

[listed]

They are the Word of God. All of Scripture is inspired by God, inerrant, and profitable for our instruction.

It seems to me that TruthWave7 quoted Isa 28:10. Wonder why it isn't believed.

 

[listed]

Its not about how good I am, its about God's Holy Spirit that can empower you and me to obey and overcome sin and temptations. That is what the Gospel is all about. Traditions of men and worldly compromise have over time crept into most churches, and have diluted the power of the Gospel. Additionally, traditions not based on Scripture have obscured the most plain and powerful texts in the Bible. Satan loves it when people are ignorant regarding God's Commandments, because they define sin, and make sinners think twice before they transgress the Holy Law of God.

Nice confession. I do seriously doubt its full disclosure and truth. You avoid facing the words of the stone tablets that you even quote and give them a modern day legal approach avoiding what is plainly there. Isn't this is willful sin? Obviously the Holy Spirit hasn't revealed this to you for some reason. Has the Holy Spirit failed? Sure appears that way to me and others here at CF.

 

[listed]

True. But there are some texts in the Bible are so clear and important that God wrote them with His own finger, and the only texts that were of that nature were the 10 Commandments as listed in Exodus 20. And yet people feel that they can change or ignore something that was written with the finger of God! How presumptuous! What will excuse will that person have in the day of judgement?

What portions of the Scripture do you claim God wrote in the Book of the Law that we have, or even in the pocket on the Ark?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Albion They are the Word of God. All of Scripture is inspired by God, inerrant, and profitable for our instruction.

It seems to me that TruthWave7 quoted Isa 28:10. Wonder why it isn't believed.

There is a site that uses that verse for it's title

Young) Isaiah 28:10 For rule [is] on rule, rule on rule, line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Here a little there a little

 

[listed]

I think you may on to something.
Freeing up our sabbath Saturday for a list of household chores, and running churchly interference with football Sundays literally reeks of estrogen.

You forgot the much better college football on Saturdays.

 

[listed]

Never heard that one before

Do you like my statement about how absurd the claim is. One must be PC here. What else are donkeys called?

 

[Noxot]

(Isaiah 28:9-19 ESV)
“To whom will he teach knowledge,
and to whom will he explain the message?
Those who are weaned from the milk,
those taken from the breast?
For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little.”
For by people of strange lips
and with a foreign tongue
the LORD will speak to this people,
to whom he has said,
“This is rest;
give rest to the weary;
and this is repose”;
yet they would not hear.
And the word of the LORD will be to them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little,
that they may go, and fall backward,
and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scoffers,
who rule this people in Jerusalem!
Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death,
and with Sheol we have an agreement,
when the overwhelming whip passes through
it will not come to us,
for we have made lies our refuge,
and in falsehood we have taken shelter”;
therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
“Behold, I am the one who has laid as a foundation in Zion,
a stone, a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, of a sure foundation:
‘Whoever believes will not be in haste.’
And I will make justice the line,
and righteousness the plumb line;
and hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
and waters will overwhelm the shelter.”
Then your covenant with death will be annulled,
and your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
when the overwhelming scourge passes through,
you will be beaten down by it.
As often as it passes through it will take you;
for morning by morning it will pass through,
by day and by night;
and it will be sheer terror to understand the message.


Jesus, He came to give us His light. who is it that keeps telling us that we understand the rivers of flowing water? who is the cornerstone? who sets us free from the prince over this world? when we are born again, how is it that we are babies that knows so many things God has spoken? who are the elders, that are born again and old according to the spiritual perceptions? what exactly are young men? they are not babies that is for sure.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you like my statement about how absurd the claim is. One must be PC here. What else are donkeys called?

Rotherham] Numbers 22:28 And Yahweh opened the mouth of the ass,--and she said unto Balaam--"What have I done to thee that thou hast smitten me these three times"?

Revelation 2:14 But I am having against of thee a few, that thou are having there ones holding the teaching of Balaam who taught to-the Balak to be casting a snare before the sons of Israel to be eating idol sacrifices and to prostitute.
[Numbers 22, 23,24]