Left Wing Philosophical Evil

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So, let me get this straight; because Atheists hold attrocities committed in the name of God against Christians, we are now confonted with a thread in which Christians hold attrocities committed by atheists against atheists. Of course the specific (in-)accuracies of each particular accusation can then be bandied about, tossed in, discussed or ignored in a haphazard fashion. Good fun for everyone, and the prize of winning this argument?

…you get to decide which half-truth sounds more plausible.
 
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Where to start with this monstrosity.

It is interesting to see fascists projecting fascism on the belief they hate. It is nothing new. Communists have always deluded their people into believing Christianity to be a seditious ideology. Atheists have labeled themselves free-thinkers while they mass murdered their citizens through communist governments.
Atheist does not mean communist. Communism was not responisble for those murders, thats was an oligarchy.

Over 100, 000, 000 citizens spanning from Cambodia, to China, to the former Soviet Union, were butchered by Left leaning dictators in the twentieth century alone
Being liberal does not mean being communist.

who hated individual liberty, genuine free thought, and Christianity the womb from which they sprang.
They didn't spring from christianity. Christianity is far from the womb of the humanity.

Today, left wing snipes caricature Christians and Christianity as oppressive
Gee, why would we ever think that? You only try to tell us what to say, force our children to believe in your doctrines and oppress several minority groups. (NOTE: not all christians do such things)

Christians are of course bigots, homophobes, anti-female, killers of the enivornment, punishers of criminals, anti-liberty, fascists
Yes, yes, not usually, yes, don't we all pnish criminals? yes, and yes. (again not all christians fit this)

Marx would be sooo proud.
You are confusing marx with stalin.

These are typical projections spawned in the soul of those who drink the communist koolaid without criticism. Yes they are communists or liberal socialists, not far off.
I'm not communist or socialist. I am atheist. Say it with me now A-T-H-E-I-S-T.

They are playing games here, because their lives are essentially without meaning, their worlds miserable, and their natures evil.
No more meaningless then yours and I would have to say I seriously doubt is more evil. Speaking of miserable words!:

They need to hear that God's future world will be a monarchy, and they will be cast into hell, lest they repent of their sad and evil lives, and turn to the living Christ, like the rest of us who are saved.
Someone who makes you submit to them is always benevolent............. yeah.

Yes, that is why the liberals, socialists, communists, and Islam hate us.
Actually we tend to hate you because you oppress people. Islamic nations don't hate you, they hate America because they believe us to be initiating a globalization process they are not prepared for, when actually we are simply at the cutting edge of it because we lack historical restraints that other nations have to face.

Alas we discover, it is the communism and socialism of Europe that makes men sheep
Irony meter going off the charts!



Seriously though, you need to get some serious education on these matters. It sounds like you just took a history text book, threw it in a shredder, glued it back together and then began to read.

Take some classes in poltical science and sociology. Specifically look for classes dealing with urbanization and globalization, and also those dealing with power and prejudice. It may open your eyes a bit.
 
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Battered Angel said:
It is interesting to see fascists projecting fascism on the belief they hate. It is nothing new. Communists have always deluded their people into believing Christianity to be a seditious ideology. Atheists have labeled themselves free-thinkers while they mass murdered their citizens through communist governments. Over 100, 000, 000 citizens spanning from Cambodia, to China, to the former Soviet Union, were butchered by Left leaning dictators in the twentieth century alone (more deaths than the sum total of all recorded wars in history combined), who hated individual liberty, genuine free thought, and Christianity the womb from which they sprang. Today, left wing snipes caricature Christians and Christianity as oppressive, yawnnnn. Christians are of course bigots, homophobes, anti-female, killers of the enivornment, punishers of criminals, anti-liberty, fascists, ...the same dialectical lie, rehashed throughout every category of life. Marx would be sooo proud. These are typical projections spawned in the soul of those who drink the communist koolaid without criticism. Yes they are communists or liberal socialists, not far off. Just watch their coming hysteria, if you don't believe me. If you have read the former posts, many of them, you would think that there is no absolute truth, except of course for the accusers of Xny. You see, their truth, is absolute, yet strangely they impugn the notion that absolutes exist. Yet if absolutes exist, fascists spawn out of them, like right-wing Christians, except of course their own absolutism, fanaticism, their own fascism. The hypocrisy, projectionism, and deceit are plainly visible.
They are playing games here, because their lives are essentially without meaning, their worlds miserable, and their natures evil. They need therefore to make the rest of us miserable. That is their legacy, their mission, the legacy they will stand before Christ with. "We accused your people of tyranny in order to injure them, we came to their sites in order to destroy their doctrine, your doctrine, we lived our lives in antagonism toward you and your people. What sin have we committed?" They need to hear that God's future world will be a monarchy, and they will be cast into hell, lest they repent of their sad and evil lives, and turn to the living Christ, like the rest of us who are saved. Of course the mention of hell is a grevious violation of free thought, you see, to them. For it reveals that our current actions, deeds, and thoughts, have consequences in the afterlife, and that must be expunged, villified, and beat down at all costs before somebody gets convicted. It is against my freedom to do evil.
Oh, and by the way, Christianity in the West is cheifly responsible for the promotion of self-government and individual liberty. Yes, that is why the liberals, socialists, communists, and Islam hate us. Because they want to control the economies of the world, the vocational aspirations of its citizens, and their thoughts; but, gosh darnit those bloody Americans keep getting in the way. Those Americans, who cherish individual liberty, grounded in the doctrines of the dignity of man, found in the Old and New Testaments. Those Protestants who have promoted the work ethic that has revolutionized the west, and indited the socialists, commies, and Islamo fascists. Those Protestants who resisted tyrannical forms of Christianity in Rome, and promoted an individualism which birthed a myriad of protestant views which led to a diversity of Chrurches. Alas we discover, it is the communism and socialism of Europe that makes men sheep, easily led to the trofts of government, to redistributiuon schemes bent on destroying self-government, who prop up criminal governments to loot the citizenry, and trust in them.
They will continue to spew their own tyranny on us and parade it before us all daily, until God brings history to its final day, and thus will end their foolsparade, and commence the revelation of their hate before the whole moral universe. Sadly.
BitterAngel,

Just for fun, lets randomly add the word "Jew" to your post ! Let me give a few examples,



""""Yes, that is why the jews ,liberals, socialists, communists, and Islam hate us. Because they want to control the economies of the world,

Alas we discover, it is the jews, communism and socialism of Europe that makes men sheep, easily led to the trofts of government, to redistributiuon schemes bent on destroying self-government, who prop up criminal governments to loot the citizenry, and trust in them.
They will continue to spew their own tyranny on us and parade it before us all daily

Communists, jews, have always deluded their people into believing Christianity to be a seditious ideology


are playing games here, because their lives are essentially without meaning, their worlds miserable, and their natures evil.


that was fun! Ok, so now compare to another author that reminds me of your style.....

Quoteing Author...( can you guess who it is?)





The so-called liberal press was actively engaged in diggingthe grave of the German people and the German Reich. We can pass by thelying Marxist sheets in silence; to them lying is just as vitally necessaryas catching mice for a cat; their function is only to break the people'snational and patriotic backbone and make them ripe for the slave's yokeof international capital and its masters, the Jews.

While the Marxist papers assailed in the mostdastardly way everything that can be holy to man; while they infamously attacked the state and the government and stirred up large sections of the people against one another, the bourgeois-democratic papers knew how to give an appearance of their famous objectivity,


But even more: all at once the Jew also becomes liberal and begins to rave about the necessary progress of mankind.
Slowly he makes himself the spokesman of a new era.



And this nationality he guards as never before. While he seemsto overflow with 'enlightenment,' 'progress,' 'freedom,' 'humanity,' etc.,he himself practices the severest segregation of his race. To be sure, he sometimes palms off his women on influential Christians,

This is the true inner kernel of the Marxist philosophy in so far as this figment of a criminal brain can be designated as a 'philosophy.'With the shattering of the personality and the race, the essential obstacleis removed to the domination of the inferior being-and this is the Jew.

Slowly fear of the Marxist weapon of Jewry descends like a nightmare on the mind and soul of decent people.

Culturally he contaminates art, literature, the theater, makesa mockery of natural feeling, overthrows all concepts of beauty and sublimity,of the noble and the good, and instead drags men down into the sphere ofhis own base nature.
Religion is ridiculed, ethics and morality represented as outmoded, until the last props of a nation in its struggle for existence in this world havefallen.


The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.

If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men.

Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.

The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism. In its struggle of seventy years it has not been able to prevent the victory of this philosophy of life, but, despite a sum total of thousands of years in prison and jail sentences and the bloodiest measures which in innumerable cases it applied to the warriors of the menacing Marxist philosophy, has nevertheless been forced to almost total capitulation.

In recent years things have sometimes gone so far that folkish circles in the God-forsaken blindness of their denominational squabbles did not even recognize the madness of their actions from the fact that atheistic Marxist newspapers suddenly, when convenient, became advocates of religious communities, and tried to compromise one or the other by bandying back and forth remarks that were sometimes really too stupid, and thus stir up the fire to the extreme.
 
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One major problem with this hate spewing rant by Battered Angel...

Communism is not an atheist ideal alone...

There is a form of communism in the new testament where Christians grouped together and formed small communities that there was no private property in and all profits went to benifit all in the group and support the missionaries of the time like Paul and Peter and many others.
 
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LewisWildermuth said:
One major problem with this hate spewing rant by Battered Angel...

Communism is not an atheist ideal alone...

There is a form of communism in the new testament where Christians grouped together and formed small communities that there was no private property in and all profits went to benifit all in the group and support the missionaries of the time like Paul and Peter and many others.
Plymouth Colony, America’s first permanent Puritan settlement, was established by English Separatist Puritans in December 1620 and followed a communist type of government based upon Theocratic Rule.

The colony in Massachusetts grew, helped along by native aid (from natives who were also systematically slaughtered for their trouble) and new settlers who were "strongly encouraged" by the locals to join their religion. By the time they got to the beginning of the Eighteenth Century, they had established a particularly strict Theocracy (Ayatollah style)--run according to largely Calvinist-type principles (the Calvinists, from what I understand) were extreme divine determinists, and they regarded the notion of individual freedom as a sick joke.

It was only through the influx of significant secular influence, from the other colonies, new colonists, and the British Imperial rule, that the power of Theocratic rule which began with the Pilgrims was finally broken. Its legacy is still felt to this day, however.

So, if the Puritans had really been the precusor of the political and social culture of the United States, it would be a far different place than it actually is. We have the opportunity to see what their idea of an ideal political order was. Nobody much cared for it, except the Pilgrims themselves.


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Arikay said:
"As Christians, we must take responsibility for the failures engendered by our Christian systems."

Unfortunatly many dont. Often when you bring up things like the crusades or witch burnings, they say that those people weren't "true christians" and thus christianity was not responsible for those actions.


"Similarily, should not athiests be responsible for the failures of their systems?"

The problem is, atheism is a much broader group than christianity, its equal to Theism.

If I walked up to someone and said, "Hey theist, you need to take responsibility for flying planes into the twin towers"
What do you think they will say. The most common answer would probably be, "Why? I do not belong to any extremist islamic group, Im not even islam."

However, thats what many seem to do to atheists.
I do not belong to an extremist communist group, im not even communist (or whatever you would call their group) and thus, I, as an atheist, need to take as much responsibility for that comunist groups actions, as you, as a theist, need to for the sept 11 attack.

GREAT Point, Arikay. Great example, and just for the record, I do not hold any of the prementioned biggoted views against atheists. As a Christian, yes I believe in Christ and express that belief to others. As a human and an American, I believe no one needs to be labeled or unfairly placed into groups they don't belong to.
 
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Yea, communism is an economic system independent of any particular religious faith. Furthermore, communism has never existed on a large scale. China, Cuby and the former Soviet Union are and were never communist, but rather socialist.

One of the best examples of communism involves a very religious group. Ever hear of a kibbutz? These are Jewish communist settlement in Isreal where there is communal ownership of property, equal sharing of work and rewards, etc. These have existed in Isreal years before it officially became a state in 1947, and still have over 100,000 in them today.
 
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“BitterAngel,

Just for fun, lets randomly add the word "Jew" to your post ! Let me give a few examples,
""""Yes, that is why the jews ,liberals, socialists, communists, and Islam hate us. Because they want to control the economies of the world,” ReUsAbLePhEoNiX



I repeat, fascist’s project fascism on the beliefs they hate. The former fulfillment seals the deal.


“Gee, why would we ever think that? You only try to tell us what to say, force our children to believe in your doctrines and oppress several minority groups.…Someone who makes you submit to them is always benevolent............. yeah.”
Vylo



I repeat fascist’s project fascism on the belief they hate. Ironically he appears to be saying what he wants to say and believing what he wants to believe and even unsubmitted to the very God he accuses of forcing mankind into submission. Fascists project fascism.


“I'm not communist or socialist.”
Vylo


Sounds like “I’m not a crook.”


“Actually we tend to hate you because you oppress people.”
Vylo



Did I say somewhere that fascist’s project fascism on the beliefs they hate?


“You know, this makes me think of All in the Family...funny show.”
Arthur Dietrich



I repeat, yawnnn, fascist’s project fascism on the beliefs they hate.


“yes I claim that Christians have more in common with fascism…”
foolsparade


I repeat…


“I can see that your post is the product of the mind of a hateful, prejudiced, small minded person..”
Havoc



Just thought Id break things up for a moment with this tasty morsel. More to come
 
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Man sounds like someone opened up their sock drawer and look what crawled out. Reminds me of a quote (what dosen't ;) )
"If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself.
What isn't a part of ourselves doesn't disturb us."

-Hermann Hesse
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being_there said:
your rants scare me battered angel. Are you familiar with any other liberal philosophy besides Marx?
Marxism isn't liberal when applied. "Liberal" has its roots in the word "liberty." The conservative wing of the USSR's communist party were not the ones promoting capitalism, remember. It was the liberal ones. Get it?
 
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your rants scare me battered angel. Are you familiar with any other liberal philosophy besides Marx?

I hope you are able to aquire some degree of repose and peace. Maybe you should read some poetry after my posts in order to release your nervous energy. Psalms are good for that. And yes which philosophical worldview would you like me to comment on?
 
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Before really going after Marxism (schools of which I adore), I'd like to point out that much of the interesting stuff going on in Christian critiques have adopted the two biggest insights of post-structuralism (which has its roots in Marxism):

First, the Christian critique of media bias has appropriated the Marxian notion of 'deep bias,' a simple version of which would hold that objectivity is impossible to achieve - this is the (explicit, I might add) presupposition of right-wing Christian critiques of 'mainstream' news like CNN or the NY Times. What's also interesting is that this is really orthodox Marxism: due to the historical embedment of the subject (her 'historicity'), the substructure of the subject's milleu deterministically (that's the orthodox marxist part) produces systemic bias.

Second: the Christian project to undermine evolution often relies on the general post-structuralist project to undercut the epistemological foundations of what we call science, thereby calling into the question the very difference between science and the humanities.

As a Marxian Christian, this amuses me to no end
 
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