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Known lies told about EGW

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists' started by David Conklin, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. David Conklin

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    This is a list of known lies that I have found on the web that have been told about EGW. Some came from various forums others from Youtube vids against EGW and others from web pages (in some cases they were taken down after I exposed them). I have to re-do the list because I found that some had worded the same lie in a different fashion I had ended up counting the same lie twice.

    A couple of interesting things happen when these lies have been exposed:

    1) The person making them never apologizes to the forum for repeating* the lie.

    * In some cases, it is obvious that they pulled the lie off the web.

    I'm quite willing to cut them some slack when that happens. But, apparently they aren't willing to cut themselves some slack.

    2) People who didn't tell the lie, not only did not detect that they were lied to, but also in some cases seek to defend the lie, or refuse to admit that ANY of the lies are in fact a lie!

    It should be noted that some of these lies can be seen as lies with as little as 5 minutes of research. In one case (#13), not ONE person has clicked on the link I gave them that would have shown them that it was a lie.

    1. That Ellen White was a plagiarist. [If one had read Dr. Veltman's study from 1988 and knew what to look for, one would realize that he PROVED beyond a shadow of doubt that she was NOT a plagiarist.]

    2. That she plagiarized by paraphrasing.

    3. That she was a millionaire.

    4. That she was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to.

    5. That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.

    6. That Ellen White engaged in "wholesale plagiarism" of Conybeare and Howson.

    7. That she was threatened with a lawsuit over her alleged plagiarism.

    8. That she took a dozen servants with her to Australia.

    9. That she plagiarized 80-90% ("and possibly more" according to some web sites).

    10. That she predicted the San Francisco earthquake after it happened.

    11. That she said only vegetarians will be saved.

    12. That she said only sabbatarians will be saved.

    13. That the Library of Congress wouldn't allow EGW's book The Great Controversy into the library because of the plagiarisms involved. [Turns out I can't give the link because the search has timed out. You can go to http://catalog.loc.gov/ and type in "Great Controversy" as Title keyword--I counted 9 copies, when there shouldn't even be one.]

    14. That an entire chapter of Sketches from the Life of Paul was "taken entirely" from a sermon by Melvill.

    15. That the claim that "there is no point in the entire chapter that had not already come to Mevill before" her.

    16. That she saw people on Jupiter.

    17. That she made repeated claims that Jesus was coming in specific years.
     
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  2. David Conklin

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    18. That she asked Washburn and Crisler to undertake a research of the Life of Christ and then appropriated it and published it as Desire of Ages.

    19. That she contradicted Scripture (53, or 75, or "much more than 75") times.

    20. That she contradicted herself.

    21. That she predicted that England would enter into the American Civil War.

    22. That she copied her first vision from Foy [Out of 6 examples listed that Foy said the claimant got one right.]

    23. or, did she copy it from Joseph Smith? Even the Mormon scholar who have looked at it doesn't believe it.

    24. or did she copy it from Joseph Turner as Dale Ratzlaff claims? ["Did Ellen White copy her first "vision"?," dl'd and printed 3/10/2; (see Did Ellen White copy her first vision). Note the lack of proof or side-by-side comparisons.].

    25. That she predicted that someone would be healed (and yet he died).

    26. That SDA's "worship" Ellen White.

    27. That Dr. Veltman proved she plagiarized.

    28. That her visions were the result of a head injury during childhood.

    29. That she was a follower of Joseph Smith.

    30. That she wrote that "The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return."

    31. That she called Jesus "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)
     
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    32. "Not to mention the Mason Illuminati influence on EGW toilet paper teachings!!"

    33. "But from her own mouth, she was a racist."

    34. Alleged quote from EGW: (EGW: Lazarus, leads the donkey at the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. The healed dumb shouted the loudest, healed blind led the way and the healed cripples broke the most branches.") [The quote can't be found.]

    35. Another alleged material from EGW: (EGW: THE SISTER OF MARTHA AND LAZARUS, WAS MARY MAGDALENE, AND SHE WAS LED INTO SIN BY SIMON. DA, p. 566,568.) Doesn't exist.

    36. "SHE WAS AN OCCULTIST FACT!"

    37. "SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE OCCULT THE ILLUMINATI!"

    38. EGW copied her health ideas from Jackson. [No examples were given, despite repeated requests and then when pressed further said that they were in the book by Numbers not there either.]

    39. That she copied other people's ideas. [Can't prove that words were copied and yet they can prove that ideas were?!?]

    40. That she didn't believe in the Trinity, or did she? In either case, critics condemn her for either position.

    41. a) One critic accused her of necromancy (communicating with the dead) because she said that she had talked with Enoch. [I had to point out to him that according to Scripture Enoch never died.]
    b) Another critic claimed she practiced necromancy in talking to her husband after he had died. [They neglect to tell the readers that it was in a dream]
     
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    42. Mrs. White also says of pork that it is nourishing and strengthening food: Testimonies, Volume 1, p.206

    43. "What prophetess would say that God made a mistake, just to cover her own errors and failed prophecies?"

    44. A Solemn Appeal (1870), p. 173 "Let's see now, youth are worthles, and Christians are animals. What a wonderful outlook on humanity!"

    45. "even some SDA researchers have concluded that she offered very little that was new"

    46. "she was trying to point you all toward christ instead you worship her;"

    47. "she copied extensively from this book (Wylie's History of Protestantism) and claimed it was a revelation from God!" [Rea has claimed that she followed it right along paragraph by paragraph (when you check you find out that he flipped the order of Wylie's paragraphs) and page and by page--the evidence he shows you shows that that claim is false.]

    48. "Then she blamed the errors in the 1843 charts on GOD, for "hiding HER mistakes".

    49. "5. JESUS' BROTHERS WERE OLDER THAN HE AND THEY WERE THE SONS OF JOSEPH AND SIDED WITH THE RABBIS.
     
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    50. She in THE ONLY PROPHET GIVEN WINGS WHILE IN VISION.

    51. Is she the SDA Virgin mary? There seems to be a Catholic like reverence for her by SDA's.

    52. "why is that only Ellen's words are memorialized and protected in a museum?"

    53. "This is where early Advent and JW theology merged, not only here but in many ways, including co-authoring books of false doctrines. The title of _the_ book was "Plan of Redemption, Nelson Barbour and Charles T. Russell ... and Barbour was a Millerite who went through the 1844 failure with other Adventists and was in fact an Adventist alongside Miller ..." There's no evidence that Barbour ever knew or associated with Miller--he was an Advent Christian and had started his own group--see Wiki (Nelson H. Barbour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    54. Ellen White's visions were because she was drunk on vinegar.

    55. "I would never join a church that teaches piano tuners go insane alot."

    56. EGW said that "The salvation of GOD is for SDA ONLY!"

    57. "Ellen White which is needed for salvation as the gift of prophecy."

    58. "EGW SAID ALL CHILDREN BORN AFTER 1844 ARE CONTROLED BY SATAN!"

    59. "She also said the door of Salvation is FOREVER CLOSED AFTER 22ND OCT 1844!"

    60. "EGW forbade you to invite Jesus into your heart until AFTER you have stopped sinning on your own"

    61. "Much of what she wrote about health was copied from other authors. It's been proven that she copied Dr. James Caleb Jackson's health work.
    ... She copied much of her health writings."

    62. "This same attitude is manifest (refusal to take blame) when Ellen White blamed God for the errors in the Millerites' 1843 charts."

    63. "She prophesied that Europe would never united."
     
  6. David Conklin

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    64. Phony quote attributed to EGW: "EGW: "I was shown that Brother and Sister Van Horn had departed from God's counsel in bringing into this world children --- the enemy came in and his counsel was followed, and the cause of God was robbed --- the bringing of children into the world is more an occasion of grief than joy. The very atmosphere is polluted. SATAN CONTROLS THESE CHILDRENS, and the LORD HAS BUT LITTLE TO DO WITH THEM. We shall need a voice like John the Baptist, to show my people their transgressions, and the house of Israel their sins." (God's Love… Nagel, p. 68+69 Testimony DF97c.)" is IS EGW A PROPHET??? - Topix, post #36 by meinhim

    65. "Why did EGW mislead many faithfull believers their jesus was coming to EARTH in 1844...?"

    66. "...we do not need any extra prophets like Joseph Smith or Ellen White. They simply confuse people with their own private interpretations."

    67. "E. G. White prophesied the world would end in 1843, 1844, 1845 & 1851: "Now time is almost finished,(1851) and what we have been 6 years in learning they will have to learn in months." EARLY WRITINGS p. 57 -- bogus quote.

    68. "YOU LOVE THE LIE OF YOUR WICKED god EGW!!"

    69-70. "EGW prophesied the destruction of the denomination she started,"

    71. "EGW said that non-adventists cannot be saved."

    72. "EGW said SALVATION WAS CLOSED IN 1844"

    73. "EGW was on SDA PAY ROLL LIKE PASTORS!!"

    74. "she said if you leave you are lost."

    75. "I will show the evidence that EGW god told her [EGW] William Miller chart was correct!" [He never did. BTW, the poster is a self-confessed, habitual liar.]

    76. "When you have done the above you will be able to understand EGW on her BIG lie/ false prophecy on jesus second coming in 1844!"

    77. "CHRIST will place all these sins upon Satan,... so Satan,... will at last suffer the FULL PENALTY OF SIN" (Great Controversy, p. 422, 485, 486)." [Note that the alleged quote was created by selecting out words over 60 pages.]

    78. "Did you know Ellen ate oysters well after telling her flock about unclean foods?" [This claim from a letter by Fannie Bolton. Those who were in the know said it never happened.]

    79. "YOU WILL NOTICE SHE SAID SALVATION IS NOT FOR THE SLAVES!!" EGW: "God cannot take the slave to heaven" (GC 193) [How long would it take you to find the book and read the page?]

    80. "If you believe EGW was raised to be a prophet of the remnant church, that she had visions from late teens onward & talked to Jesus & Angels in vision, don't ya kinda think He would have told her...BTW... I am NOT created a notch above an Angel...I'm Enternal God, so please inform the SDA church that this Arian heresy has to go before I get really ticked off. No she believed and taught Biblical heresy for more than four decades."

    81-2. "The EGW Estate militantly guards access to her unpublished works under the guise of confidentiality even from high level GC officers who must bow to their rules." So how does the critic know all of this?

    83. "EGW says: Adam was deceived (GC, p.352, 1885 ed.)." [When was the book first published? That's your first clue.]
     
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    Thank you for keeping up with all this.

    Personally, it's distressing and sad to see all of the attacks all across the Internet about little old Sister White. What does that tell you in it of itself? I mean, wow.

    A couple of years ago I saw a very well put together document attacking Mrs. White on 53 points. Very craftily done. And I'm happy to see a paper has been published going through those 53 points in detail explaining the other side.

    hxxp://storage.amazingdiscoveries.org/assets/files/ADDownloads/eBooks/EGWhite/53_Charges_Against_Ellen_G._White_Answered.pdf

    replace the two xx's with tt.
     
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    I am sorry; but ALL OF THIS STUFF you are posting in this topic is boring, and does not portray Ellen White and her ministry correctly at all. IMHO.
     
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    When will people learn that this kind of debating is useless in promoting the gospel or correctly representing Ellen White and her ministry/writings.

    Not one mention of "Christ and Him crucified" in any of this meandering. :thumbsup:
     

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    While I was in the seminary, one of the profs came up to me and asked: "Why are you here? you know that you're not going to get a call." The impudence didn't bother me at all. I knew before that, that God had called me to the seminary. He did so so that I'd get trained in how to do in-depth and through research in any given subject thrown my way. He had been training me since childhood to do this kind of work--which no one else did.

    I note the lack of proof that it "does not portray Ellen White and her ministry correctly at all." If you are referring to the lies told by the critics then you are quite correct.
     
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    Probably when they learn to stop listening to liars--of course, first they have to have more than bare clues as to what lies have been told ...
     
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    84-85. "She made too many plagiarized visions which she says she saw things which were copies from other people's visions."

    86-90. "Ellen White also ate squirrel, possum and wild ducks that her son Willie shot. That is not a critics claim."

    91-3. "Read “Paradise Lost” written by John Milton in 1667. For 25 years he studied every book he could find about the Biblical Creation. He wrote his epic poem “Paradise Lost” as a result of those 25 years of study, no vision. Now read all that Ellen wrote about Adam and Eve in the Garden. Odd how it is almost exactly the same story. sometimes whole sentences of John Miltons are used."

    94. "EGW says: The blood of Christ doesn't cancel our sins (P&P, p. 357)."

    What she actually wrote was: "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin; it would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement; so in the type the blood of the sin offering removed the sin from the penitent, but it rested in the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement."

    95. "My husband was an SDA pastor and he was taught (in college and seminary) to put EGW in every sermon....every sermon."

    96. "Because they teach salvation OUTSIDE of Jesus. Mostly Jesus PLUS SDA membership PLUS Sabbath keeping PLUS acceptance and belief in EGW."

    97. "Let's just say it: EGW was a racist. She did live in another century after all."

    98. "she has plagiarized from many authors and taken entire paragraphs almost word for word." [One critic tried to defend the last half by posting a one sentence example. I was able to show the rest of the paragraph in each work and thus show that they were completely different.]

    99. "She and her silly god confirmed jesus would arrive here on EARTH in OCT 1844.:

    100. "She is the one who taught that God's blood contaminated heaven."
     
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    Being in the seminary doesn't qualify us for anything when it comes to the Bible truth about Ellen White,and portraying correctly the span and character of her amazing and wonderful ministry. lol. You keep supplying all the proof we need for what I am saying so I am just resting...;)
     
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    >Being in the seminary doesn't qualify us for anything when it comes to the Bible truth about Ellen White

    I didn't say that it did. I explicitly said that it taught me how to do in-depth and thorough research to do what no one else had done.

    God gave me a job to do and I did it.
     
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    >and portraying correctly the span and character of her amazing and wonderful ministry.

    And where is your work on that subject--other than missing?
     
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    I am not so sure God "gave you a job to do" here at all. Where is your proof?
     
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    The Lord might as well had sent you to the seminary in order to get confronted and make up your mind...
     
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    David:

    I think what some are trying to say is simple. We do not think what you are doing is fine but it is for you and not for all. It is not important to lift up EGW but to show that what she saw uplifts the Bible. EGW was human and did make human error and she believed things that were not Biblical. However, she was humble and as she became older she also became wiser in YAHSHUA. She always told her writers to take the Bible. If you do you can find the truth in her visions and more. She was just the instrument to lead us back to the Bible through the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. I do not feel that YAHWEH wants you to continue to rally or go into deep understanding of her but to the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. Many will continue to disclaim her books, so what? The words that she has written have been accepted by those who will stand for the purpose that they were written. They were written as a message to learn of the love of the FATHER who gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON for us. Also the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT for those selected to understand the prophecies so that we can be prepared for these last days.

    Too many people have idolized EGW claiming she was a prophet and she was not, she was a messenger. She stated and made it perfectly clear that YAHSHUA told her what her job would be. Let's move on and discuss the prophecies she has stated needed to be studied by ELOHIM'S people today so we the 144,000 we meet her in the HOLY TEMPLE of ELOHIM.

    Blessings and bless President Obama four more years,
    stinsonmarri
     
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    Castaway57

    You stated and I commented:

    I would suggest that unless you have actually asked others, you just say "I do not think." You cannot speak for "us" in this way; especially when you knowingly post against official Adventist beliefs in the rest of your comment below.

    You are right and I apologise I should have wrote how I felt. However I do not base on what the Official Adventist believes. I read in the Bible that I had to obey HIS Word and not the doctrines and traditions of the church regardless of what you think I should do. Basically, that is the problem some of you become angry even in your comments because I don't follow the church every belief and I don't because it is not Bible base.

    The Gift of Prophecy:

    And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 1Co 13:2

    It would be nice and clear if you my friend truly understood the Scripture above. Charity or love is more important than the gift of prophecy, understanding all mysteries, all knowledge and the faith of moving any mountain. Without love you have nothing and it shows in the way we talk or comment to one another. This is a forum to discuss our views I feel in a respectable and humble matter. If what I have commented on you do not agree with then show me through the Word of ELOHIM where I have fallen short. Many believe that the gift of prophecy is being a prophet but it is not is as the Scriptures clearly states understand the mysteries and knowledge given in the prophetic books that have already been written. Here is another proof from Paul:

    But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1Co 14:3, 6

    Now here is another important fact should I accept the Church false views on EGW or her on words as what she is?

    I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. I have not stood before the people claiming this title, though many called me thus. I have been instructed to say, "I am ELHOM'S messenger, sent to bear a message of reproof to the erring and of encouragement to the meek and lowly." With pen and with voice I am to bear the messages given me. The word given me is, "You are faithfully to reprove those who would mar the faith of the people of ELHOM.
    Write out the things which I shall give you, that they may stand as a witness to the truth till the end of time." But there was a continued misuse of her unguarded statement, and further explanations were called for. She prepared an article entitled "A Messenger," which was published in the Review and Herald, July 26, 1906. In this she explained When I was last in Battle Creek, I said before a large congregation that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Twice I referred to this matter, intending each time to make the statement, "I do not claim to be a prophetess." If I spoke otherwise than this, let all now understand that what I had in mind to say was that I do not claim the title of prophet or prophetess. 5BIO 356

    What was instructed meant if she did not get it from YAHSHUA. We as human beings who minds are not stay on Him will believe even a lie. As I have say I will say it again because of the church refusal to listen to what YAHSHUA had spoken through her it have cause confusion. Castaway instead of using haughty words against me why don't you listen to the HOLY SPIRIT first and then to EGW's on words she said herself? I believe in EGW writings when she said that she saw or was shone. I don't agree with things that were her opinions because Scriptures are not given with them. She herself said to take the Bible and I agree.

    Finally, she only saw what was already given in the Bible or she could not prove it by the Bible. What she was given was information to break it down for us to understand what the prophets of the Bible had already written. She also warned in the book special written for ministers and gospel workers that she had change her view about the papacy. She clearly stated that once both Daniel and Revelation were truly understood there would be a revival in the Adventist church. When this revival takes place the 144,000 that she first wrote about in her first vision will take a stand and obey all of the Commands and Law of ELOHIM. The time is now so if you are one of the five wise virgins you will hear the call the BRIDEGROOM is coming go out and meet HIM!

    It is not "idolizing" to call someone a prophet.

    It is an idol to put someone above ELOHIM and the church has. Many are turn off because of this very reason. Instead as EGW said the person should be pointed back to Scriptures. Every vision she saw points to Scriptures and once we understand that we can prove all things by Scriptures. EGW is a supplement and a supplement means to assist or aid but not take the place of the original which is the Bible.

    And what has "Obama" got to do with this? Remember, this is a conservative Adventist forum, and "we" do support all of the official teachings of the Church. It's OK for you to disagree with said teachings, of course, but it is important to depict our beliefs correctly here.

    Where do I put Obama but in my request for blessings and you say that is wrong? I have always felt that you include the man who is over this country who should receive a blessing. I thought under both the laws of ELOHIM and this country I had freedom of religion and speech! Where does it say conservative I have not seen that at all. I see traditional which is what I am. I come from the old school of the original pioneers who made a choice to stand up for their convictions. I am convicted since you brought Obama up that those who call themselves Christians are lovers of the rich, greedy and powerful. I am convicted that I do not agree with Romney and his distain for the 47% which includes me. I have a degree but I am disabled and a senior but I worked hard all of my life. I need Obama Care and thank ELOHIM for it for me and my mother who I take care of. I have never been late on any of my mother's bills since I moved in with her giving up my life and my home. But thnks to ELOHIM for modification that has reduce the payment on her house and also save us a lot of money we needed for food, heat, gas and medicine. I pray that President Obama will stay in the White House for four more years for two reasons. For me to worked and call to the 144,000 to prepare for the Time of Trouble and to continue to aid me and my mother and others who will be in serious trouble if Romney take office.

    Happy Sabbath bless all and ELOHIM please bless President Obama to have four more years, (I can pray that can't I?):wave:,
    stinsonmarri
     
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