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Kat Kerr, Prophet or Phoney?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by hiscosmicgoldfish, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

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    Kat Kerr, Prophet or Phoney?

    I have watched some videos by Kat Kerr. She alleges to have been taken to heaven very many times over many years. Is this another money making scheme, a complete fabrication, much like the obviously false Mary Baxter’s visits to hell? What do you think is going on? Here are some arguments against the idea that Kat Kerr is really going to heaven, (and is some sort of prophet).

    1. How likely is it, that of all the millions of souls in heaven, Kat happens to see Jesus playing a game of Golf with one of the subjects of her book?

    2. Kat describes a movie theatre; here people play the roles in the films themselves; how many people would actually want to do that? Rather than just sit down to watch a classic film. I wouldn’t. Allegedly, there is nothing dodgy allowed. But she mentions one of the films as being Star Wars, where swords are being wielded. However, Star Wars has its own religion, which is very New Age; the so called ‘force’. John Wayne is featured in one film, wielding a gun and chasing some villains. So why is there violence allowed?

    3. There is a roller coaster in heaven. Would everyone want to participate in that? I wouldn’t.

    4. Kat describes a room in heaven, where you have to use faith to open the door. In the room she saw a screen where she watched the creation. She says that between verse 1 and 2 of Genesis One, there are millions of years, and seems to say that dinosaurs were part of an earlier creation. Then she says that God can erase anything that he doesn’t like, sort of like a mistake. Does God make mistakes in the creation?

    5. Another of the characters in her book is someone that always wanted to go on safari to Africa when he was alive, so in heaven he gets a mansion with lots of African styled things, and lions and other African animals roaming around outside. He gets to wear an African chief’s robe, and Jesus calls him ‘chief’. However, Jesus said not to call people by nicknames. And wouldn’t that character get bored with the African theme eventually?

    6. Do angels have wings? According to Kat Kerr, the angels have wings, and some of them ride on the roller coaster. However, in the bible, there is no mention of angels with wings, except for the Cherubs and Seraphs, which are another class of angels. Ezekiel mentions that he met with a man who appeared to be made of bronze. Kat Kerr makes no mention of this type of angel. The angels in the bible are usually described as being like ordinary men.

    7. Kat says that humans had a pre-existence before birth, and were small spirits within God. These spirits are incarnated at birth, and the plan is to have people born on earth, so that they can go home to heaven. Is that orthodox? I think not.

    8. Kat says that Satan once walked inside God’s heart, amongst the ‘stones of fire’; these stones are inside God, and Satan would play tunes to God. Is that likely?

    9. Kat seems to be encouraging contact/relationships with dead people, which is very much forbidden in the bible. According to her, these dead relatives are in heaven, watching us down on earth, at every significant event, from a viewing balcony. How are we supposed to know which relatives were saved, and went to heaven, and which ones didn’t make it? She says that we should say hallo to these relatives because they are looking down from heaven. Presumably they don’t spend their entire time observing us from heaven?

    10. Kat says that one time she was transported back to the resurrection scene. There she sees the empty tomb and Mary sees Jesus appear, and Mary runs over and Jesus says not to cling to him. But which Mary is Kat talking about? The gospel accounts differ on what exactly happened at the resurrection, but as far as I’m aware, it wasn’t Mary, Jesus’ mother that was on the scene first, it was Mary Magdalene. Then Jesus ascends to the third heaven and Kat goes up with him. There she sees some sort of ritual, where an angel carries a vase, with Jesus’ blood in it (if I remember correct), and Jesus pours out his blood into some type of skillet, which makes a fizzing sound, and all these various sins are shown as words, like homosexuality, etc. as they go away. This visit to heaven happened after she had been ‘slain in the spirit’, in her ‘Assemblies of God’ church, where she was lying on the floor for a few hours, shaking.

    11. Kat sees the Father in heaven, and is able to approach the throne. Nobody in the bible got close to that, except maybe Moses.

    12. There is going to be a rapture, but it isn’t yet, it’s at least another 20 years away. That seems to do away with the doctrine of immanency; that Jesus can return at any time. Jesus/God didn’t tell her when the rapture would be. Can’t she ask? Is it soon?

    13. Sometimes, Jesus turns up in person to escort people to heaven. However, Jesus is said not to be leaving heaven until the Second Advent.

    14. People in hell are stuck there until the end of the millennium, and then they are turfed into the lake of fire for ever, after being judged. What’s the point of that? I know it’s orthodox according to what it says in the book of Revelation. All that she says is strictly orthodox, except for a few big clangers.

    15. The people in heaven can’t see her, but she can see them and listen to their conversation. So who is she talking to when she’s up there? An angel, or Jesus?

    It seems to me that there’s nothing new in any of these supposed revelations. Heaven is some sort of amusement park. For me this is likely to be some sort of hook, to get people interested, and then drop in some seriously heretical teachings, especially the one about the previous existence.

    I suppose there are only a few options to consider. That she is having some sort of real experience, but that it is generated from her own imagination. Or that she is making it all up. I have heard people in church say things like 'there are angels here' and 'God has these burning coals that he wants to give you, and you have to come to the front to get them. Where? Where are the angels? I can't see any angels. Where are these supposed fiery Seraphim? I can't see any. Why do people say these things? Is it some sort of New Age visualisation technique? Is it occultish?

    According to Kat Kerr, there is going to be some sort of dramatic new era of miracles, much according to that sort of charismatic expectation for the future. A lot of people, outside of the charismatic movement, believe that the age of signs and wonders was a one off period, of transition from the OT period, to the church age, and it finished at the end of the apostles era. I am coming around to this idea of late myself; the evidence indicates that there are no genuine miracles any more, no healings, it is all wishful thinking. If it was true then these people would be out on the streets getting people out of wheelchairs, and doing real miracles, instead of trying to pray for people with a crick in the neck, or a ringing in the ears.
     
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  2. Knee V

    Knee V It's phonetic.

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    She is either trying to make money, she was given a demonic vision, or both.
     
  3. OzSpen

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    There is a rebuttal of the Kat Kerr theology HERE. However, I'm not familiar with the author who does the review.

    Oz
     
  4. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis De profundis clamavi et exaudisti me.

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    There's always the possibility of being mentally unstable. I usually find fraudulence and insanity to be better go-tos than satanic work. Not because the devil can't be at work in giving false visions, but that should probably be the last place we go for an explanation.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    Biblical discernment should not rule out any possibilities.

    Oz
     
  6. childofdust

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    Don't know her. Can't say. But I can say one thing. As a Mennonite, I believe all I have to do is spend enough time with a person to see what their "fruit" is like. If they have righteous fruit, they're on to something. If they don't, they're a fraud. It's as simple--and as difficult--as that. Anyone who asks me to believe something they say simply because they say it is speaking to the wrong person--I don't care what you say, I care what you do.
     
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    ViaCrucis De profundis clamavi et exaudisti me.

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    No. But I think it often is far too easy to blame the devil, rather than recognize simple human fragility and sinfulness.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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    Jesus is omnipresent and can appear anywhere He wants to any time. The fact that He was playing golf in Heaven was shown to her to show how God rewards His people with their desires. He got his own golf course, and Jesus was playing. It's hard to imagine anyone beating Jesus at golf, and I can't think of anyone who would want to. Yet, we won't have a carnal perspective to cloud our judgment in Heaven. The purpose of her seeing this was to minister to her family, and for those who enjoy golf, and will do so in Heaven.


    If we all make it, I'll be you do! Let's be in one together?!

    It's a riot and it is supposed to be for laughs, which we'll be doing a lot of. Of course no bad movies. I'm sure we'll understand if we have questions about which ones are suitable and we'll know the answers then too.



    I would. God wants us to have fun in Heaven and it is His reward time for His family. These are the ones who forsook the world and chose Him instead. God is getting us out of the box of who we think He is and what we'll be doing. It won't be boring.

    She seemed to surmise this, but I can't picture God making any mistakes either. This doesn't mean the creation lab thing is wrong, we just don't see God making any mistakes.

    Where is that found? Their are surnames in the Bible even. Thomas was called "Didymas". It's hard to image getting bored in Heaven at all. After eons, it might be conceivable that we'll reinvent ourself and our desires might change over time. The point is that this man for want of working for God, couldn't do the african thing, so God gave it to him in Heaven. Very sweet of the Lord and God calling him "chief" shows He has a sense of humor!

    According to Kat, their are many kinds taking on different forms. It's not a stretch to understand that many do.

    There is a difference between conjuring the dead by divination and understanding that Heaven is very much a part of our lives down here. This is because they are interested in God's move on the earth. They have everything there except for their families on earth, so it is sweet of the Lord to let them see us and know what is going on. It is good for us to realize that they are still a part of our lives. If God lets them hear our thoughts to them, then He knows what they meant to us and He is good to share that. You could certainly get into a ditch about this and probably some people do (whether or not they know the portal exists). God wants (and our relatives too) our lives to continue without the burden of grief.


    Our have seen the Ancient of Days and although in the Word, it is a more select few, the NT saints are greater than everyone in the OT (according to Jesus). It stands to reason that others would also be taken and her messages do exactly what she says God said they were for.

    God wants us to know Him better and who He is in us. He wants to prepare us for the coming latter rain and baptism in fire. This will enable us to do the greater works and Jesus Himself said this. They are noticable absent, don't you think?

    Jesus can be anywhere at any time. He's the Son of God.


    You might see this as a formality, but it is important to God. Everyone will know everyone's sins at the Great White Throne Judgment. Also, Satan is included here and all the devils who have enjoyed tormenting humans will now receive their just judgment. It's a "second death", so it will doubtlessly contain some greater dread God wants to present. It's a warning to us to abide in Him. I receive it!

    She speaks to the Spirit of God all of the time.


    An amusement park is only one small bit in Heaven. There's many wonderful things to do and knowing this makes our humdrum down here as not to be compared to what's coming. Don't you agree?


    It's for real, and as this outpouring comes forth, those who want God will come running to Him, and those who want to live in sin will go off into darkness. It will be a dividing of the tares from the wheat and no more playing around. Obviously if you see this happening and miracles taking place (even in the media), you won't have questions like these. The important thing for now is to fully repent and find God's plan for you life and do it with all of your heart. When the latter rain gets poured out, if you have a heart for God and want it if it's for real, you will get it.

    The mysteries will be solved. It's good not to speak against God's servants, so be careful. I don't recall you doing so, but just a word of warning as many on the forum feel free to do a dropkick on what they don't understand.

    [SIZE=2]As touching the b[SIZE=2]aptism in fire, I have heard over 100 hours of Kat's preaching in the last 4 months and I'm a different person as a result of it. I share about the [SIZE=2]baptism and the Holy Spirit within seems to rise up to the occasion and I know that it is for rea[SIZE=2]l.

    [SIZE=2]I do the "imparting of the ano[SIZE=2]inting" in various places. [SIZE=2]It was the anoin[SIZE=2]ting on some tapes I was converting to m[SIZE=2]p3[SIZE=2] (with headphones on with the sound all the[SIZE=2] way down) when I was backslidden. The anointing came in my room and the Holy Spirit started to speak to me about my life. Soon after, I dismantled my large music collection ([SIZE=2]I was in bondage too) and eve[SIZE=2]rything else offensive to God that I owned started finding its way[SIZE=2] to the trash ca[SIZE=2]n! Imp[SIZE=2]arting the anointing is a weapon and I could relate other stories too about this.

    [SIZE=2]An excellent book on Heaven is by Richard Sigmund. I bore more fruit reading that book that [SIZE=2]any other book except the Bible. It will enrich your walk if you can get your mind out of the way [SIZE=2]and [SIZE=2]open up your spirit.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
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  9. Joshua0

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    I had a talk with her about this. We talked for about 20 min. She helped me to understand what we read about in the Bible. I asked her about when Jesus said it is finished. My question was about the 500 people that were resurrected at that time. She explained to me about Abrahams Bossom. Then I asked her about the Judgement Throne of God and the Judgement seat of Christ. Also we talked about the lake of fire at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Chrst. There were about five questions I asked her. Some she has already talked about in her books. She said the rest of the information I asked about she will be putting in her third book. I do not know of anyone that could have answered my questions and helped me to understand the way she did. In fact a lot of people get mad at me when I ask questions. She did not get mad at all. She just loved me and helped me to understand. Actually the conversation we had was recorded. So it is on the internet somewhere. It was the last 20 min of a live 2 hour web cast that she did on the radio.
     
  10. Alive_Again

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    This was your quote!

    Cool! That must have been the "Tribulation Now" webcast. It's available on the Internet to listen to. It has about 20 minutes of talk before she comes on, but it's a good listen. Some of the people on that show expect all the bad stuff in the world to be coming down very soon. It's easy to believe that and I used to. However, God has a plan -- His plan, before that stuff happens.

    You can email her too. I have a couple of times. If you get an answer, why not post it here on the Net?! People should stop the bitterness though because it seems to oppose the way they understand things. HAVE a teachable spirit and God can open up your thinking to go beyond where you're currently living. We just want to know the truth and there is nothing wrong with asking.

    Only a fool believes everything he is told.
     
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    My email is to say i asked the lord about a month ago if i could see heaven, then it was a week ago i came across kat kerr through youtub , and found it quite ingredable what she was saying i did feel quite at peace about what she was saying , also i checked scripture out as well. The first thing was about the young girl who had died , and when she told the story , and then repeated it back to the mother , the mother said she had not met her before until that day , and she could never of known these things , but after kat had said these things about going to heaven and her visitation regarding Malissa the young girl who had died , the mother said after she had told the mother of the account , she said to kat kerr i have never met you until this day and you couldn't of known these things unless something supernatural had taken place ,also after the daughter had died the mother found the daughters diary , and she had wrote in it about dying and going to heaven and going on thye rush , and seeing jesus , the young girl was a youth leader in heaven and god wanted her to come home. this was writen in her diary , so the young girl had wrote her account before kat kerr had gone to heaven and saw her daughter , the result of her account gave the mother joy because see new from that moment that heaven really was true and that she would see her mother again. sometimes it may be hard to believe this is possible, but you know that is what faith is for , believing . there are many others accounts by many others , this is not the only one . I felt to pass on this to you. is anything to hard for god. Having a fun fair in heaven wouldnt surprise me , god can do what he wants , he is a wonder working god. i have never seen an angel or heaven but i asked god to show me heaven and you know a week after he did . believing is seeing. julie
     
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    I would be very careful to what you would advertise , Tara reading is not christian , palm read totally not of god, if it is not of god it is from some were else
     
  13. Joshua0

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    I would like to send her an email, but she said she has over 2,000 and does not have time to answer all the questions. I was wondering about Melchizedek and Abraham, when we read about the Bread & Wine in that story.
     
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    The Maurissa story is so moving. Her mothers is now doing a grief counseling thing now for others. They closed two big schools down for Maurissa's funeral and several hundred people gave their life to Christ.

    You can ask her mother who is open to responding to inquiries.

    Kat goes into more detail about Melchizedek in one of the two threads of her testimonies in the Word of Faith section. You can email her. She has responded to two of mine. It took over a month to get to it, but that's ok.

    If you put an interesting subject line, it might come under the radar more quickly. Also, she collects questions for possible inclusion in her books. Put your name, cities and age at the bottom. Your question might be selected at some point.

    You should hear her story about talking to the sister of a bass player from the Christian rock band Storyside B, who died. God let her see him doing something only she would know, that showed his sister that he didn't change after he got to Heaven. His personality was the same.

    These testimonies of people she spoke to about seeing family members in Heaven. She got names and permission to use them. The Storyside B thing is verifiable, and they can be found on the Net.

    One o the most valuable things to take from all of this is the knowledge that Heaven is running with us (so to speak). The angels are working alongside us and our family is watching. You have access to the throne of grace and if you receive revelation about who God is, what He wants to do, and who you are, you'll become empowered. You can move more powerfully with Him (and them) and become moe effectual. Jesus paid a great price for this to happen.
     
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    i read your post about kat and unless you have met her personally,you can,t really judge whether testimonies are true or not. we don,t know,nor understand,what God really does. as far as the rapture,it could happen at any time. and no..God will not reveal it to kat. we won,t know what heaven is like until we get there. who knows? it maybe as she says. most people doubt about heaven. God maybe using kat to get his children excited.:clap::amen:
     
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    We have the witness of the Holy Spirit. We have the presence and abundance of peace of God manifesting during the message. We have great fruit. Not only that, we test everything and hold fast to what is good. When these things abide when you walk in what you've heard, you're on good ground.

    God really got my attention about Kat Kerr and Richard Sigmund with both of their Heaven testimonies. Not only did I have the "knowing in the know-er", I used to have the Holy Spirit manifest in great power when I would share with others. Sometimes God's power would be so strong it was incredibly obvious, God was speaking up for something He wanted me to really know and understand.

    I would get a word of knowledge or a prophetic utterance flowing around inside me and when I would speak it out, it was covered with anointing power. I remember once I told a lady who's yard I mowed that I was sure her Uncle was with the Lord. When I said that, the Holy Spirit practically lept out of me and He really bore a strong witness.

    I have spoken about many testimonies I have heard with other believers and had the same reaction. It is really miraculous. When this happens, you feel as clean as you could possibly be, and know the love of God very strongly.

    Since God has moved powerfully on so many occasions listening to Kat, He has my full attention. I can only bear witness to the truth and we can only pray we'll have eyes and ears to perceive. There's too much to miss out on. Ask God to show you.
     
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    in LUKE 10:18 Jesus saw Satan fall like lightening...why ...i believe that was because 70 disciples had just returned to tell him the wonderful things that happened when they spoke in his name...Satan was not to pleased and wondered what was going on...
    Kat kerr says that Satan was cast out before God re -made the earth...i.e Gap theory...She mentions a war in heaven between Michael and his angels and lucifer and his third of angels.......Revelation 12:7-12 ...I don't buy that theory at all...I believe this is going to happen very soon ..during the tribulation..and not something that happened millions of years ago..
    the devil is still the accuser of the brethren ..he still has access somehow to heaven..my conclusion then is that something is very wrong with her testimony
     
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    Welcome to the forum.

    I believe Kat said that the 1/3 were kicked out. I have not ever heard her say that there was a war in Heaven. God allowed every angel to be tested and then they went out on bolts of lightning. Not much of a war!

    No doubt war is going on now. It will intensify as things heat up. When Satan gets loosed from the bottomless pit, his judgment will come quickly.

    One thing is certain, those angels were kicked out and they became evil and twisted, taking on different forms; getting more grotesque as they become more evil.

    They were here on the earth before Adam. As we read about Lucifer, there were kingdoms. Kat mentions that in the spirit realm there are buildings and principalities. There was great destruction here on the earth and God judged it. It is a perfect explanation for how the earth is old and the rest of it created in six days. It explains the single land mass, followed by "continents" being formed. It explains the dinosaurs in a way that allows for the undigested food and sudden destruction in a manner that preserves. The gap theory pretty much explains it as I heard it before. But, as Kat has pointed out, the former earth was lit with the glory of God, not the sun, and we didn't have that explanation. The was the "missing link" to understanding.

    One thing you will need to do to be able to receive her testimony, is to just open your heart and ask God to reveal truth. Your mind won't be able to fully grasp it.

    You're not asked to open and swallow. You're yielding to God, willing and expectant. It is up to Him to supply the fruit.
     
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    nothing you say about a pre world.. is in the bible and the bible is the only and last revelation ..in fact the lord has exalted his word above his name...you have been misled and how on earth can you say that you know things for certain...YOU ARE WRONG ..and btw SATAN still has access to heaven just like he did when Christ Jesus saw him fall like lightening...from where?? HEAVEN OK that was because the disciples were causing havoc amoung the demons..he is also there as the accuser of the brethren ..all in the bible..and Michael will deal with that old serpent called the devil soon and cast him to the earth..again as the bible says..and there will be great tribulation on earth..Kat kerr has no scripture to back what she says about the GAP RUBBISH ..also the flood of Noah...it rained as well as the fountains from the deep//all in the bible...The canopy of water fell then and destroyed the giants / dinosaurs/ and reprobates...and people..ALL IN THE BIBLE .
     
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    It is the incomplete understanding of the church and the world regarding Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

    The passages about Lucifer or Satan (King of Tyre) speak of a age we know nothing about. It still exists, because it's in the Word. The King of Tyre was a created being. No man fits that description. It speaks of commerce and nations or kingdoms. It's in the Word, but the general understanding is somewhat hidden from those without the eyes to see it.

    Many things we weigh in the spirit. God has a way of bearing witness to the truth. He also speaks today. All of the fruits we are to judge by, all come together to present something He is either for or against. He is not going to let someone just lie blatantly for 3-4 hours (often again in the afternoon); sometimes for 3 days running and then pour out mightily on the congregation. The fruits are all good and I have personally experienced Him pour out as I partook o these revelations. God never stopped speaking, and although everything must agree with the true understanding of the bible, He is not limited to it. In fact, the Bible is a work in progress for thousands of years. We do not recognize any more foundational apostles and prophets (although we still have apostles and prophets), God does shed light on mysteries (that's in the Word).

    I do not believe he comes and goes to Heaven at will. He accuses us before God on the earth every day.

    That is your opinion. If you don't believe the Bible says the (rebuilding of) the earth, sun, moon, and stars took place in six days, then it won't line up with the dating and geographical evidence we clearly have.

    We know how many years it was from Adam to Noah and the dinosaurs go back much farther than that. We know that there was an ice age.

    However, if you do consider the earth to have been remade (before the sun), making it billions of years old, then everything matches both archaelogy/geography and Biblical accounts. It's the only way it both matches up.
     
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