Jewish people have a separate way of salvation

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This is not correct. John 3:16 was to the world. God so loved the world. That was not only to Jews. That was to all people. The New Covenant was never to be to only one people. The New Covenant was for both.

What Pat said is true. Are you being grafted into "the world"? Are you being grafted into some sort of "house of the Gentiles"? Obviously there is no such thing as a "house of the Gentiles", unless you want to become a Noachide, but there is an Olive Tree; and The Planter and Husbandman Who planted it, and who it is and who it concerns, are things clearly defined in the scripture writings. Also, according to the primary passage concerning the new covenant, have you noticed that every one shall die for his own iniquity in the new covenant? It is right there in the same passage from where the new covenant is foretold:

Jeremiah 31:29-31 KJV
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


Understand this old time parable? No more can we say that Adam ate the sour grape, (original sin doctrine), and now our teeth are set on edge: but every one shall die for his own iniquity. How does that line up with the mainstream new covenant teachings and doctrine? You have to die; but thanks be to the Testimony of Yeshua who showed us what it means and how to do it without literally physically killing ourselves. And of course Paul speaks much about this also: you will be needing Torah of Elohim, (Horeb), and Torah of Sin, (Sinai), so as to put to death those "unruly members" of your household.
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I thought Yeshua IS the Torah. How can it
be one or the other if they're the same?

Yes he is .. He is Torah ... And Torah died setting man free from the temporary law to establish the new covenant which was always the original Torah ..The new covenant was always firstborn but set aside until the old covenant fulfilled its purpose ...
 
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This is not correct. John 3:16 was to the world. God so loved the world. That was not only to Jews. That was to all people. The New Covenant was never to be to only one people. The New Covenant was for both.

Amen ... Israel and the Gentiles needed to be redeemed ... Gentiles were just unaware before Y'shia ... But Israel was given the oracles of Hashem ... Look what Israel did to their shame .. They had thier own father Hashem flesh killed by false witness



....if they are capable of killing Hashem by the law ...what else is Israel capable of doing ?....if Adam sinned cause the fall of man ...how much worse punishment for Israel and Gentiles will it be to deny Hashem son sacrifice ?


yet Hashem loved them that he sent his son even that Israel might have a chance of salvation

Adam sin was a horrible for his flesh and blood

Israels sin of crucifying Hashem flesh by the law must be 7 times worse than Adam ... Does Israel need to be redeemed? ... You bet...
 
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Yes he is .. He is Torah ... And Torah died setting man free from the temporary law to establish the new covenant which was always the original Torah ..The new covenant was always firstborn but set aside until the old covenant fulfilled its purpose ...

Both houses need to be grafted into Y'shia house , not Moses house .. Y'shia is greater than Moses ...Moses was a servant Y'shia is flesh and blood and true heir of hashems kingdom

Israel has twice fallen ... Once before the mountain .. Another when they crusified Hashem flesh ...and the last time will be when they will produce the false messiah ..

We are called to be a new lump ... Unleavened
 
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