Jesus Christ Did Pre-Exist, but He also Began. Only the Father Has No Beginning (moved)

[brinny]

Yes I wasn't trying to threaten anybody

LOL!

 

[brinny]

And yes, Jesus Christ is to be worshiped because worshiping him is worshiping the Father.

Are you saying that He and the Father are One and the Same?

By the way, you seemed to be kinda' wavering in your first response to this:

brinny said:
How is it possible to be divine if one is "created"?

Is Jesus Christ to be "worshiped"?

 

[cgaviria]

If Jesus Christ is "created", He is not God, and to worship Him would be worshiping a created being and not worshiping the living God, would it not?

Something that is created can be made God. How? If the one that created it decided to make it its very own representation. Although the representation is lesser, it still reflects the very nature of the one that created it. So in following the representation, we are really following the Father.

 

[cgaviria]

Are you saying that He and the Father are One and the Same?

By the way, you seemed to be kinda' wavering in your first response to this:

I'm waivering because I'm typing this and trying to catch up with the other responses, lol.

 

[brinny]

....the reason i asked you to specifically state what major characteristics God emphasized about Himself, is because it has a direct bearing on Who HE says His only begotten Son is.

 

[brinny]

Something that is created can be made God. How? If the one that created it decided to make it its very own representation. Although the representation is lesser, it still reflects the very nature of the one that created it. So in following the representation, we are really following the Father.

Does God speak of this? (worshiping anyone or anything created)

 

[brinny]

brinny said:
Are you saying that He and the Father are One and the Same?

By the way, you seemed to be kinda' wavering in your first response to this:

I'm waivering because I'm typing this and trying to catch up with the other responses, lol.

Are you saying that He (Jesus) and the Father are One and the Same?

 

[cgaviria]

....the reason i asked you to specifically state what major characteristics God emphasized about Himself, is because it has a direct bearing on Who HE says His only begotten Son is.

I can compile a list of things characterizing God that are expressed in Jesus Christ. But with what I did say, do you not agree? The thing about God predestining being one of them. That is a characteristic of him, he chooses.

 

[brinny]

I can compile a list of things characterizing God that are expressed in Jesus Christ. But with what I did say, do you not agree? The thing about God predestining being one of them. That is a characteristic of him, he chooses.

What does God say about Himself and repeats it for emphasis?

 

[cgaviria]

Does God speak of this? (worshiping anyone or anything created)

Jesus speaks of it,

[*2*says *3*to him *1*Jesus], I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father unless through me. (John 14:6 [ABP])

No one goes to the Father except through him. And in my original post of this thread I've already stated the logic behind Jesus being created.

 

[FreeinChrist]

MOD HAT

This thread is being moved from General Theology to Controversial Theology. The orthodox view and the view of our Statement of Faith is that Christ always was, was Begotten but not created, and He always will be.

 

[cgaviria]

What does God say about Himself and repeats it for emphasis?

He says many things of himself. How about you tell me the one thing you are referring to.

 

[cgaviria]

MOD HAT

This thread is being moved from General Theology to Controversial Theology. The orthodox view and the view of our Statement of Faith is that Christ always was, was Begotten but not created, and He always will be.

Im not thrilled about this, but alright.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
Does God speak of this? (worshiping anyone or anything created)

Jesus speaks of it,

[*2*says *3*to him *1*Jesus], I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father unless through me. (John 14:6 [ABP])

No one goes to the Father except through him. And in my original post of this thread I've already stated the logic behind Jesus being created.

What does God say about anyone worshiping anyone or anything that is created?

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
What does God say about Himself and repeats it for emphasis?

He says many things of himself. How about you tell me the one thing you are referring to.

Such as....?

 

[cgaviria]

Quote me the scripture that is on your mind, and I will help you interpret it.

 

[cgaviria]

Such as....?

You are trying to test me about what one thing that is on your mind. I'm not going to guess which thing is on your mind because I cant read your mind. You tell me which thing you are referring to, and lets discuss it. There is an entire book of Psalms, which reflects the very mind of God. How am I to know which one thing you are referring to? God is love. God is also a consuming fire. God is also righteous. He is holy. God is also a judge. His nature reflects many qualities.

 

[brinny]

What characteristics of His, did the living God emphasize over and over?

(I have another question, but i'll hold off on that one, for now.)

Ok, i see from the above post that you must've posted at the same time i was posting.

You mentioned "holy"

Yes, God emphasizes that He is holy over and over.

In response we are admonished to do what?

 

[cgaviria]

What characteristics of His, did the living God emphasize over and over?

(I have another question, but i'll hold off on that one, for now.)

You remind of a friend saying, "Guess what?", and then I'm supposed to guess what thing out of a myriad of different possibilities. Just get on with it and tell me whats on your mind silly.

 

[brinny]

You remind of a friend saying, "Guess what?", and then I'm supposed to guess what thing out of a myriad of different possibilities. Just get on with it and tell me whats on your mind silly.

It bears emphasizing (God's character) doesn't it?