It's not because they are Muslim

[sdowney717]

Well that's the Isis view.
There are other Islamic ones, both more widely held and longer established. Which differ, firmly.
Without some very clear supporting argument it would seem to be on a par with saying
"True Christians handle poisonous snakes during their services"
or
"All Protestant men wear bowler hats and orange sashes."

If I was Islamic, then I would desire to do the things Muhammad said to do.

Well that's the Isis view.
There are other Islamic ones, both more widely held and longer established. Which differ, firmly.
Without some very clear supporting argument it would seem to be on a par with saying
"True Christians handle poisonous snakes during their services"
or
"All Protestant men wear bowler hats and orange sashes."

Over many years, I have made friends with many muslims, some sunni, some shia, and frankly, most were not well educated in sharia, the hadiths, the quran. The first ones I met were Iranians and palestinians at university right around the time of the Iran revolution.
ISIS is faithfully following the religion as described in the book and the ones I knew are not. ISIS would kill them all as apostates.

I have a friend with a boat next to mine, and he is Egyptian sunni. Friendly fellow, he is actually very much agreeing with american values. He is of course apostate but wont ever admit to it, and I wont talk like that with him either.

 

[JGG]

Liberalism is not the love of Christ. The love of Christ is far greater then tolerating someone's viewpoint even if it is wrong.

He's right. The love of Christ is loving yourself so much that you know other people's view points are wrong.

 

[JGG]

If I was Islamic, then I would desire to do the things Muhammad said to do.

Wow. So you're actually encouraging Muslims to join ISIS and become terrorists?

You're sure you're not with ISIS?

 

[sdowney717]

Wow. So you're actually encouraging Muslims to join ISIS and become terrorists?

You're sure you're not with ISIS?

Nope not ISIS, why would I want to follow a lie?

 

[JGG]

Nope not ISIS, why would I want to follow a lie?

But you keep saying that Muslims should join ISIS and become terrorists? If you're not with ISIS, why are you supporting their cause?

Wait, are you saying that Muhammed strictly forbids terrorism?

 

[Chris B]

ISIS is faithfully following the religion as described in the book and the ones I knew are not. ISIS would kill them all as apostates.

It's quite obvious what you are doing, and if a Muslim, atheist or anyone else took the same technique to the bible, then you'd be screaming "unfair and illegitimate".
One might start with Mark 16:15-19.

Chris.

 

[cow451]

If I was Islamic, then I would desire to do the things Muhammad said to do.

Over many years, I have made friends with many muslims, some sunni, some shia, and frankly, most were not well educated in sharia, the hadiths, the quran.

I have made many Christian friends that are equally ignorant about their claimed faith.

 

[Smidlee]

Well that's the Isis view.
There are other Islamic ones, both more widely held and longer established. Which differ, firmly.
Without some very clear supporting argument it would seem to be on a par with saying
"True Christians handle poisonous snakes during their services"
or
"All Protestant men wear bowler hats and orange sashes."

I didn't know Jesus or his disciples did anything of those things.

It's quite obvious what you are doing, and if a Muslim, atheist or anyone else took the same technique to the bible, then you'd be screaming "unfair and illegitimate".
One might start with Mark 16:15-19.

Chris.

All those signs in Mark 16:15-19 have already been fulfilled as noted in verse 20.

 

[Chris B]

I didn't know Jesus or his disciples did anything of those things.

All those signs in Mark 16:15-19 have already been fulfilled as noted in verse 20.

Ah, but you are allowing yourself (quite legitimately from *my* point of view) some context and some thought in order to understand the verses.
But the same is not being allowed for Muslims and the Quran in sdowney 717's arriving at (from the outside) his "true Islam is ISIS" conclusion.

 

[Smidlee]

Ah, but you are allowing yourself (quite legitimately from *my* point of view) some context and some thought in order to understand the verses.
But the same is not being allowed for Muslims and the Quran in sdowney 717's arriving at (from the outside) his "true Islam is ISIS" conclusion.

So you think ISIS is taking verses of the Quran out of context?

 

[PapaZoom]

So you think ISIS is taking verses of the Quran out of context?

I heard recently that the leader of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic Studies. Not that that alone makes the case, but it does seem to at least suggest that he understands Islam pretty well.

 

[JGG]

I heard recently that the leader of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic Studies. Not that that alone makes the case, but it does seem to at least suggest that he understands Islam pretty well.

He probably got it at Phoenix Online University.

 

[Smidlee]

We do know that Obama has taking Quran verses out of context.
To quote President Obama’s words in Cairo, “The Holy Quran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind.”

http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/the-shocking-truth-about-oft-quoted-quran-verse/
He left out the beginning of that verse as well as the next verse. That part were for the children of Israel.
Here David gives more examples of people misquoting the same verse in Quran

 

[PapaZoom]

He probably got it at Phoenix Online University.

He obtained a BA, MA, and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad

 

[JGG]

He obtained a BA, MA, and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad

Well, that's like the Phoenix University of Iraq. They don't even have a building. And we should know: We bombed it to smithereens.

 

[GillDouglas]

We Christians may say that the teachings of the Islamic faith are false doctrine, I am not arguing that point. I do not embrace the Muslim beliefs in any way, but I will not go against my own beliefs by condemning them to Hell. What good will I do by being unloving, uncaring or even unconcerned towards another? Little good in my opinion, so I will do my best to approach all people with love, as difficult as that can be, purely out of fear for their salvation. If just one individual can be saved by my actions, it's worth it!!

 

[JGG]

We Christians may say that the teachings of the Islamic faith are false doctrine, I am not arguing that point. I do not embrace the Muslim beliefs in any way, but I will not go against my own beliefs by condemning them to Hell. What good will I do by being unloving, uncaring or even unconcerned towards another? Little good in my opinion, so I will do my best to approach all people with love, as difficult as that can be, purely out of fear for their salvation. If just one individual can be saved by my actions, it's worth it!!

Have you considered that if you hate them enough, they may just get so uncomfortable, and have such fear for their lives that they will just convert? This is a very popular way to convert people with the kids these days that I think you may have overlooked.

 

[Smidlee]

Have you considered that if you hate them enough, they may just get so uncomfortable that they will convert? This is a very popular way to convert people with the kids these days that I think you may have overlooked.

Probably the largest number of people turning to God at one time in the OT was Jonah who hated Nineveh. He preached nothing but judgement to them.

 

[farout]

This is like saying during WW2 we demonize Germans since we went to war with them while only 7% were actually Nazi. It's was impossible to separate Germans from the Nazis so we had to bomb the nation as a whole.

Where did you get the facts that "only 7% were actually Nazi"? I think those who were in those death camps could speak they would cry out something much differently. Many of our fathers and grand fathers would certainly disagree with your statement. Please clarify what you meant, as it comes across that only 7% of all the German fighting force was genuine Nazi.

 

[Smidlee]

Where did you get the facts that "only 7% were actually Nazi"? I think those who were in those death camps could speak they would cry out something much differently. Many of our fathers and grand fathers would certainly disagree with your statement. Please clarify what you meant, as it comes across that only 7% of all the German fighting force was genuine Nazi.

I don't remember exactly when I heard this but I do remember the point that only a few percentage of people that's in power are required to move a whole nation especially an army that is trained to follow orders.