Israel goes full Moloch

[ac28]

I've looked over a lot of your posts and, never, not once, have they made any sense. It's like you live in your own very small world.

 

[Biblewriter]

So as to your statement.....



The fire that comes from their mouths devours their enemies (Revelation 11:5). The fire is the Holy that they pour out anytime they want to, as the symbol of the two witnesses whenever they preach the Word, that is the Lord's sword that penetrates the heart of the enemy, who by their own free will, yield to Christ's authority and join the Great Commission ranks.

The Great Commission is the assimilation of nations to Christ, through peaceful and diplomatic means and by doing so, these once enemies are killed spiritually speaking, because they yield to Christ and are assimilated within Christ's body of believers. The saying is resistance is futile!

This is the Christ collective!

Now the question arises as to whether God clobbers his enemies or does he convince them to let down their arms and to come as prisoners of Christ?

Paul would say the world will become prisoners of Christ, through the very preaching of the Sword of God's word, the everlasting gospel.

People considering physical weapons that God uses to destroy the enemy, is a primitive concept that is divorced of God's ways, especially after the cross. After the cross God makes diplomacy with the world and never over rides the Great Commission prerogative. After all why did the Holy Ghost tell Peter to get up and go to Cornelius house, when Peter wanted nothing to do with the Gentiles? Obviously God did NOT override Peter, but rather had swayed him to pour out fire on the once enemies of the gospel, by the sword of the word, that brought Cornelius and his household as willful prisoners of Christ.

God will never abandon the Great Commission or to bypass his witnesses who hold the testimony of Jesus, by resorting to power intervention that will be counter intuitive and counterproductive to the Great Commission calling to Christ through peaceful means. The spiritual war is for the hearts and minds of enemies and not to kill their flesh or to force them into bondage unwillingly.

So your answer is that the prophecy simply does not mean what it explicitly says.

 

[Berean777]

So your answer is that the prophecy simply does not mean what it explicitly says.

When Old Testament prophesy is taken out of context of situation (past to present cross of Christ events) and stands to contradict the character of God and is the diametrically opposite to what Jesus had said and instructed, then it does not mean what it explicitly says as far as the reader who perceives it explicitly, whilst ignoring the above three litmus test points to the proper interpretation of God's Word. In simple terms, explicit reading on its own will not result in the proper interpretation of the prophesy, as Jesus would prophetically say.......

Matthew 13:10-15
10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.

12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Explicit reading is what the educated Pharisees in their time did and Jesus identities them as the educated blind leading the uneducated blind masses, because......

You study (read) the Scriptures diligently (Explicitly) because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me (Sign of Jonah), (John 5:39)

Oh Ye, the dangers of explicit reading, indeed!

 

[random person]

I've looked over a lot of your posts and, never, not once, have they made any sense. It's like you live in your own very small world.

baloney -

jeremiah 31:32 god states that israel is his bride
jeremiah 3:8-14 god states he married israel but gave her the bill of divorce
isaiah 50:1 once again the bill of divorce given to israel
ezekiel 16 is one of many ot chapters where israel is referred to as a harlot and harlot
revelation 18:7 the babylonian harlot believes she is a queen and no widow because israel believes she is not divorced from god yet christ has new bride - the church revelation 19:7-9
and that marriage in consummated at the judgment of divorced israel

jeremiah 22:6-9 jerusalem is called the great city
revelation 11:8 jerusalem where our lord was crucified is called the great city
revelation 18:10 the babylonian harlot is called the great city
revelation 21:10 new jerusalem is called the great city

matthew 23:32-36; luke 11:47-51 jesus says god is going to avenge the blood of all of his servants the prophets from abel to zecharias upon this generation and again no prophet perishes outside of jerusalem luke 13:33-34 see also 1 thessalonians 2:14-16

revelation 17:6; revelation 18:24; revelation 19:3 god avenges the blood of his servants the saints, the prophets, and the MARTYRS OF JESUS see 17:6

but what is truly revealing is that in revelation 18:20 states god avenges the blood of the holy prophets and the holy apostles. when did the last apostle die? 1st century. there are no more apostles. is mecca guilty of killing apostles?

 

[Biblewriter]

When Old Testament prophesy is taken out of context of situation (past to present cross of Christ events) and stands to contradict the character of God and is the diametrically opposite to what Jesus had said and instructed, then it does not mean what it explicitly says as far as the reader who perceives it explicitly, whilst ignoring the above three litmus test points to the proper interpretation of God's Word. In simple terms, explicit reading on its own will not result in the proper interpretation of the prophesy, as Jesus would prophetically say.......



Explicit reading is what the educated Pharisees in their time did and Jesus identities them as the educated blind leading the uneducated blind masses, because......



Oh Ye, the dangers of explicit reading, indeed!

"Search from the book of the LORD, and read: Not one of these shall fail; Not one shall lack her mate. For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them. Isaiah 34:16

 

[Berean777]

"Search from the book of the LORD, and read: Not one of these shall fail; Not one shall lack her mate. For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them. Isaiah 34:16

Indeed he shall gather them, he has gathered them when he came and has been for the last 2000 years. The gathering onto the Lord isn't a worldly spectacle, its the role of the Holy Ghost the restorer of all things, the Elijah who came on the day of Pentecost, in which the world can not see him nor know him.

I see God doing this for the last 2000 years and will even turn their hearts as a race and not as a political worldly nation. There is no context of worldly spectacle to the gathering of believers, where they be Greeks, English, Chinese, Indians, Jews or any other peoples of nations.

One by one the gospel has been taken onboard by all nations and the last will be the Jews. This 11th hour rally isn't a nationalistic kingdom come on earth.

 

[BABerean2]

Pick A or B...


A
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.




B
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.



Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.

 

[Berean777]

The Christ rules an eternal Kingdom in his Father's house, amongst all the host of heaven. Christ after being crucified on earth, isn't going to rule on an earthly temporal kingdom. Jesus said that in heaven they shall neither marry and this therefore dismisses the notion of a Holy Messiah ruling in a temporal world, whilst surrounded by people procreating.

All nations will be conquered by him by making disciples of the world within the great commission context. We need to tell the sons of Jacob the truth, that without Christ, they will die bankrupt and without an inheritance. Many countless Jews have perished without Christ after going to their graves. It doesn't need to be this way.

Look at the Chinese, how they are coming to Christ in droves. The two covenant theology has done great harm to the sons of Jacob, because it has cheated them of their inheritance through Christ. Those that advocate a separate salvation message to them in the absence of the adoption into Christ are condemning them.