Islamic youth riot in Denmark as well as France

[alaurie]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover110405.htm

From the article:

...“Rosenhoj Mall has several nights in a row been the scene of the worst riots in Århus for years. “This area belongs to us,” the youths proclaim. Sunday evening saw a new arson attack.

“Their words sound like a clear declaration of war on the Danish society. Police must stay out. The area belongs to immigrants.

...“Around the parking lot, cars with youngsters from the immigrant community are swarming, and many are walking around, greeting each other with a sense of victory after the worst riots in Århus for years.

 

[BrownCoat]

Woah. That's nuts.

Seriously. Is Europe gonna fall like a house of cards?

 

[Billy Batson]

no, europe will pass laws that will limit the pervalence of religion and its impact on secular society as they rightly should. that will more than likely include ALL religions.

 

[Letalis]

no, europe will pass laws that will limit the pervalence of religion and its impact on secular society as they rightly should. that will more than likely include ALL religions.

And yet it seems to be one religion in particular that has become (or always was) a prevalent problem.

 

[Billy Batson]

And yet it seems to be one religion in particular that has become (or always was) a prevalent problem.

yeah, chrisitanity has always tried to set foot in other people's business like no other.

 

[Jonathan David]

yeah, chrisitanity has always tried to set foot in other people's business like no other.

Billy, you have to be fair here. I mean, the Moslems provoked the pre-emptive strikes that we now call the "Crusades." If the Christians hadn't raided Jerusalem, you wouldn't believe what things would look like now. Those police actions were vital to the development of democracy and freedom in the world.

 

[Billy Batson]

Billy, you have to be fair here. I mean, the Moslems provoked the pre-emptive strikes that we now call the "Crusades." If the Christians hadn't raided Jerusalem, you wouldn't believe what things would look like now. Those police actions were vital to the development of democracy and freedom in the world.

there's a distinction between terrorist group and muslims in general.

 

[alaurie]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Denmark is one of the more secular European countries.

yeah, chrisitanity has always tried to set foot in other people's business like no other.

 

[Jonathan David]

there's a distinction between terrorist group and muslims in general.

It's infuriating that I could post something like that and be taken seriously.... not your fault Billy... just says a great deal about this site and some of the people who post here.

 

[Jonathan David]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Denmark is one of the more secular European countries.

The point is that the common denominator is poverty, oppression, disadvanatge, disposession, etc.... not the fact of being from a particular ethnic/religious group.

- The French Revolution was not conducted because the insurgents were French.... it was because they were oppressed.
- The more radical activism in the civil rights movement (Black Panthers, American Indian Movement, etc) were not engaged with because the people were Black or Indigenous.... it was because they were oppressed.
- The violence in Palestine is not because the Palestinians are Moslem or Arab.... it is because they are disposessed and oppressed
- The Rodney King Riots and Cinncinati riots were not a result of people being black,... they were a result of repeated police brutality and repression
- And this violence is not the result of people being Moslem... it is economic and social marginalization.

I am not saying that all violence/uprising is the result of oppression... but it (and its opposite... "violent repression") is far more frequently the root cause than is any national/ethnic/religious identity.

 

[alaurie]

Hi JohnathanDavid. My post was in answer to this one. I was trying to understand how the comment about Christianity was relevant to Denmark's riots since modern Denmark isn't much influenced by Christianity.

yeah, chrisitanity has always tried to set foot in other people's business like no other.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Denmark is one of the more secular European countries.

 

[Selznak]

Woah. That's nuts.

Seriously. Is Europe gonna fall like a house of cards?

Probably not. At least not yet, anyway. They may soon come to rethink the wisdom of inviting so many who are downright hostile to the tolerant, secular nature of many of their societies to live among them.

 

[Jonathan David]

Hi JohnathanDavid. My post was in answer to this one. I was trying to understand how the comment about Christianity was relevant to Denmark's riots since modern Denmark isn't much influenced by Christianity.

I think that he was responding to the notion that Moslems are most often responsible for violence these days... not speaking directly to the matter at hand.

 

[CCGirl]

The point is that the common denominator is poverty, oppression, disadvanatge, disposession, etc.... not the fact of being from a particular ethnic/religious group.

- The French Revolution was not conducted because the insurgents were French.... it was because they were oppressed.
- The more radical activism in the civil rights movement (Black Panthers, American Indian Movement, etc) were not engaged with because the people were Black or Indigenous.... it was because they were oppressed.
- The violence in Palestine is not because the Palestinians are Moslem or Arab.... it is because they are disposessed and oppressed
- The Rodney King Riots and Cinncinati riots were not a result of people being black,... they were a result of repeated police brutality and repression
- And this violence is not the result of people being Moslem... it is economic and social marginalization.

I am not saying that all violence/uprising is the result of oppression... but it (and its opposite... "violent repression") is far more frequently the root cause than is any national/ethnic/religious identity.

Excellent post, JD


It is sad when people seize upon the surface instead of the root causes

 

[Robby]

From my reading, I understand that France used to require immigrants assimilate into the French society. Learn the language, the history and culture. For the last few decades, however, this policy was abandoned in the name of multiculturalism. Well now the chickens have come home to roost. Hopefully the U.S. will learn from this fiasco.

 

[Cerberus~]

They should impliment a shoot to kill policy for anyone engaging in looting or arsen in those areas.

Totalitarianism leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but sometimes, you just have to put your foot down and kill some ppl that need to die.

 

[Robby]

It is sad when people seize upon the surface instead of the root causes

The root cause is multiculturalism which is really just anti-Western. France has sown to the wind...............

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Everyone likes to say that Islam is a violent religion or the cause of religious strife. Does everyone forget the days burning heretics? Imprisoning and killing those who disagree with Christianity? Wars between Catholics and Protestants, for example in France. Banning non Christians from political processes. Conquering and enslaving native peoples in the name of spreading Christianity. Our religion is not spotless. We have grown up.

We have endured the trials of such times and though I fear soem Christians would like to go back to those days, Christians live in a society that has advanced to be much more civilized. Islam is a newer religion. Many Islamic areas of the world are further behind in progress, in enlightenment, and in growth. It isn't the religion, they aren't all that different than any religion. Just about every religion has at a time been used for violence, and just about every time it has been contrary to the teachings of the religion.

 

[Jonathan David]

Everyone likes to say that Islam is a violent religion or the cause of religious strife. Does everyone forget the days burning heretics? Imprisoning and killing those who disagree with Christianity? Wars between Catholics and Protestants, for example in France. Banning non Christians from political processes. Conquering and enslaving native peoples in the name of spreading Christianity. Our religion is not spotless. We have grown up.

We have endured the trials of such times and though I fear soem Christians would like to go back to those days, Christians live in a society that has advanced to be much more civilized. Islam is a newer religion. Many Islamic areas of the world are further behind in progress, in enlightenment, and in growth. It isn't the religion, they aren't all that different than any religion. Just about every religion has at a time been used for violence, and just about every time it has been contrary to the teachings of the religion.

I appreciate that you have good intentions here Maynard.... but I have to speak to your post. The suggestion, as I read it, is that we should not think of Moslems as being "more violent" than Christians... it is just that they are "less civilized."

Look at the two World Wars, lynchings, police brutality (Los Angeles, Cinncinati, Vancouver, etc). Look at Iraq/Afghanistan and the thousands of innocent people that have been massacred by (largely) Christian hands. Look at the history of violent political repression and revolution in Latin America (almost entirely Christian populations)... the violence in Rwanda (including the complicit participation of nuns and priests in massacring Tutsis)..... "Christians" are not all peaceful, "Moslems" are not all violent.... Rather, PEOPLE have a great capacity for violence and it is often triggered either to alter or maintain unequal power structures.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I didn't mean to imply that muslims are uncivilized. We're all people, all the same. I just mean that if you look at countries in europe and the americas that are Christian dominated and then look at muslim dominated countries in the middle east, there is a huge difference in the level of civil progress that can explain some of the differences without having to say religion is causing it.