Is there any disciples of Christ among us?

[Freedom Now]

Luke 14, 33
So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce ALL that he has,
CANNOT be My disciple.

I wonder , those that are disciples of Christ today, would you be willing to share
how you renounced ALL that you had, and became Christ's disciple.

To renounce All, does this include our...

possessions,
our choice of where we work and what we do
whom we marry, if indeed God allows us a spouse
all our right where to spend our money, if there is any left, after we have sold everything and gave it away
our choices in who we interact with, where we fellowship, what truth's we hold to,
our freedom in what we communicate and how we speak to others

in short are we to renounce our free will, our right to live our life

in order to be His disciple?

If so, would this be considered losing one's life, in order to have real life?

Can a believer even have life, unless he lost his own life and renounced it?


Is this why Jesus gives us our own cross to bear, so that our old man can be put to death on it?

Is this what Paul is referring to in Romans 6,...we are crucified with Him, buried with Him,
raised with Him to newness of life?

If this were the case, would the old man (the flesh) have to be crucified, dead, and buried,
before the new life or newness of life (new creation) can come forth?



So if there is any disciples of Christ among you, can you by your own experience show forth,
how this is all to be understood and how to practically live this.

As an after thought, if the old man (sinful nature, flesh) is indeed dead, is it then possible
in this new creation to live righteously and do the will of God with a pure new heart and be no longer defeated by sin?
And if so can we truly love Him and keep His commandments, as it is His new Life in us that one
lives by now?

Looking forward to the testimonials concerning these things.


May our Lord bless you richly.

 

[Biblicist]

It seems that the manner in which you have phrased your question could make it hard to answer. For instance, I own my house, my car, my wife (or she owns me), lots of tools and furniture and for that matter I even 'own' the internet account that I am using to compile this reply.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

i think the question is: Who will collect the forfeited possessions in absence of real apostles? The follow up question is: Is the request to forfeit possessions rooted in greed so that leaders will receive what is forfeited for themselves ... first, one must determine if there is a godly purpose for the proposed application ... or if it is another case of benefactors manipulating the obedient.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Jesus never told us to abandon everything just to follow him. Only that we be willing to if it came to that. Big difference between the two.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Corrie ten Boom is one of the best known world wide Christians, (and one of the only faithful women in the "news" in the last hundred years (there have been possibly a few, but not many))
who gave up everything to belong to Jesus and to do what He said to do, His Word and Yhwh's Spirit in complete Harmony of course, and her life completely in line with and orchestrated by Yhwh by grace through faith in Jesus.

 

[Freedom Now]

Jesus never told us to abandon everything just to follow him. Only that we be willing to if it came to that. Big difference between the two.

You state,..."only that we be willing to if it came to it".

I believe Jesus did say,.....whoever DOES not renounce ALL that he has, cannot be My disciple.

Whoever DOES, not whoever is willing.


Renounce definition, .....

Formally declare one's abandonment of a claim, a right or possession.

to abandon definition, ...

to give up with the intent of never again asserting or claiming an interest in a right or property.


If we indeed have a RIGHT to live our lives, if we indeed POSSESS free will,
if then we declare our abandonment to the right to live our own lives , or if we declare the abandonment
to the right to possess our free will,
have we then renounced All (everything we possess, including free will)?

Is this meant by losing OUR life, right to live our own lives and abandoning all possessions including
free will and to never go back to it again?

Is this what Jesus meant, that you cannot be His disciple unless one renounce ALL that he HAS?


Can one be under the complete Lordship of Christ, and still control his own life?
If we renounce ALL and submit to the Lordship of Christ, would this be what Paul spoke about.....
It is no longer i that live but Christ that lives in me.
The life i live now , I live by faith....
And if we live by faith, we indeed become obedient as Christ leads us.

We have to lose our life with all its rights and possessions, to gain His life.
Our old man, former life has to be crucified, dead and buried before we are raised to newness of life.


Deep down , do we really want to be Christ's disciples, or do we just come to the cross for forgiveness and
then just keep on living the way we are?

The good news is that Christ did not just come to forgive sins, but came that we might be free from SIN.
But in order to gain this freedom, this new life, WE have to die.

For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Oh , dear people to die is not easy at all, to give up total control of your life is the hardest we will ever
do in this realm, but yet it is the only way to have real life.

1 Peter 4, 1-2
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same thought, for whoever has suffered
in the flesh has ceased from sin,
so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer by human passions but by the will of God.

How did Christ suffer in the flesh? By His death on the cross.
How do we suffer , by our old man dying on the cross with Him.

As we suffer and die on the cross with Him, we cease from sin, as the old sinful man died,
and we are raised a new man, to newness of life, so that now we can live by the will of God.

A walk of faith and obedience. Living and walking in the Spirit.


Oh, Father , give us a desire to seek you with all that is within us,
to renounce All, to give up our free will, and to live by your will alone.
Bring us to the end of ourSELVES, and completely surrender to your rule in every area of
our lives, so that indeed we may have your everlasting life.

Praise your Holy Name.



May God bless you.

 

[jiminpa]

I was once so willing to abandon everything that I abandoned who God made me to be. Legalism kills. The Spirit gives life.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus simply told every disciple who wanted to follow Him, what to do.
Some disciples did, and followed Him.
Some disciples did, and followed themselves.
Happens every day - everyone follows someone, usually not following Jesus.
It is a narrow(painful) road leading to life, and requires strict discipline resisting satan , resisting temptations(every day), and implementing God's Word every day in one's life, building on bedrock so when the storm comes, the house stands.
When built on quicksand (all around us, most all houses), when the storm comes, people are not just afraid they run(from Jesus to gov or man for help)
instead of waking Jesus up in the back of the boat and
telling Him how bad things are how soon they're going to die and crying HELP!
--- call on Jesus continually, constantly, every day and every night.
seek Yhwh's Kingdom TODAY, every moment, every day, all the time, in everything you do.
Keep seeking Yhwh's Kingdom,
Keep seeking the Father's Face directly with no one and nothing in between.
..
. the tragedy is when anyone besides Jesus
gets in between the Father and a soul seeking Him,
and leads the soul astray, towards obedience and worship to the devil instead of the Father in Jesus.

 

[Alithis]

You state,..."only that we be willing to if it came to it".

I believe Jesus did say,.....whoever DOES not renounce ALL that he has, cannot be My disciple.

Whoever DOES, not whoever is willing.


Renounce definition, .....

Formally declare one's abandonment of a claim, a right or possession.

to abandon definition, ...

to give up with the intent of never again asserting or claiming an interest in a right or property.


If we indeed have a RIGHT to live our lives, if we indeed POSSESS free will,
if then we declare our abandonment to the right to live our own lives , or if we declare the abandonment
to the right to possess our free will,
have we then renounced All (everything we possess, including free will)?

Is this meant by losing OUR life, right to live our own lives and abandoning all possessions including
free will and to never go back to it again?

Is this what Jesus meant, that you cannot be His disciple unless one renounce ALL that he HAS?


Can one be under the complete Lordship of Christ, and still control his own life?
If we renounce ALL and submit to the Lordship of Christ, would this be what Paul spoke about.....
It is no longer i that live but Christ that lives in me.
The life i live now , I live by faith....
And if we live by faith, we indeed become obedient as Christ leads us.

We have to lose our life with all its rights and possessions, to gain His life.
Our old man, former life has to be crucified, dead and buried before we are raised to newness of life.


Deep down , do we really want to be Christ's disciples, or do we just come to the cross for forgiveness and
then just keep on living the way we are?

The good news is that Christ did not just come to forgive sins, but came that we might be free from SIN.
But in order to gain this freedom, this new life, WE have to die.

For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Oh , dear people to die is not easy at all, to give up total control of your life is the hardest we will ever
do in this realm, but yet it is the only way to have real life.

1 Peter 4, 1-2
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same thought, for whoever has suffered
in the flesh has ceased from sin,
so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer by human passions but by the will of God.

How did Christ suffer in the flesh? By His death on the cross.
How do we suffer , by our old man dying on the cross with Him.

As we suffer and die on the cross with Him, we cease from sin, as the old sinful man died,
and we are raised a new man, to newness of life, so that now we can live by the will of God.

A walk of faith and obedience. Living and walking in the Spirit.


Oh, Father , give us a desire to seek you with all that is within us,
to renounce All, to give up our free will, and to live by your will alone.
Bring us to the end of ourSELVES, and completely surrender to your rule in every area of
our lives, so that indeed we may have your everlasting life.

Praise your Holy Name.



May God bless you.

Perhaps you might want to define. The term deciple first.
In our modern speak the term has faded. Our closest likness to it is apprentice... One who is learnibg to become like his teacher and do what his teacher does. Thats a deciple. Thus in order to become like jesus and do as he did we must learn to give up being like sinful man and doing what we will.
You are correct in the term renounce ... Give up all right to ... Etc.
But if you have $100 and god asks you to give 30 of it to a certain thing .. Your willingness to give the 30 and more is displayed not by youe knowing too.. But by your faith..(doing so) by the same token give $1 to 30 people to make up for not giving 30 to the one ..is an act of disobedience .though both is giving the same amount..one is obedience ,one is not.
So obedience to the spirit of god is more important then what yougive up.
Renouncing it is simply being fully wiling at all times to do with your life and posessions what god leads you to do. You cant be his deciple unless your wiling to obey at whatever cost.

 

[Freedom Now]

Perhaps you might want to define. The term deciple first.
In our modern speak the term has faded. Our closest likness to it is apprentice... One who is learnibg to become like his teacher and do what his teacher does. Thats a deciple. Thus in order to become like jesus and do as he did we must learn to give up being like sinful man and doing what we will.
You are correct in the term renounce ... Give up all right to ... Etc.
But if you have $100 and god asks you to give 30 of it to a certain thing .. Your willingness to give the 30 and more is displayed not by youe knowing too.. But by your faith..(doing so) by the same token give $1 to 30 people to make up for not giving 30 to the one ..is an act of disobedience .though both is giving the same amount..one is obedience ,one is not.
So obedience to the spirit of god is more important then what yougive up.
Renouncing it is simply being fully wiling at all times to do with your life and posessions what god leads you to do. You cant be his deciple unless your wiling to obey at whatever cost.

You state, ....But if we have a 100 dollars......


The point is , if we have renounced all and have no right to anything anymore, then we will not
own the 100 dollars, it will be the Lord's 100 dollars and we are only vessels for it to flow through.

If we have been crucified with Him, buried with Him and raised with Him, the old is done with, you
have become a new creation, come to newness of life.
Your old life has been replaced with His life.
No longer are you in control of any area of your life, because HE is now LORD and makes decisions for
you. You have become His slave, He has bought you.
He now owns you. His responsibility is to look after you in all areas of life, whether spiritual or physical,
our responsibility is live this new life, this walk ,in complete obedience to our Lord and Master.
This is only possible by faith by HIS Spirit.

When we are in this place, we also know, that everything that comes across our pass is ordained
by God, the good, the bad , the ugly, sufferings, afflictions, blessings, to lead us to maturity, perfection.

And to the end that CHRIST is glorified in us, in every area of life.
Or as Paul says to the Thessalonians, ....
when HE comes on that day to be glorified in HIS saints, and to be marveled at IN all who have believed..

 

[Alithis]

You state, ....But if we have a 100 dollars......


The point is , if we have renounced all and have no right to anything anymore, then we will not
own the 100 dollars, it will be the Lord's 100 dollars and we are only vessels for it to flow through.

If we have been crucified with Him, buried with Him and raised with Him, the old is done with, you
have become a new creation, come to newness of life.
Your old life has been replaced with His life.
No longer are you in control of any area of your life, because HE is now LORD and makes decisions for
you. You have become His slave, He has bought you.
He now owns you. His responsibility is to look after you in all areas of life, whether spiritual or physical,
our responsibility is live this new life, this walk ,in complete obedience to our Lord and Master.
This is only possible by faith by HIS Spirit.

When we are in this place, we also know, that everything that comes across our pass is ordained
by God, the good, the bad , the ugly, sufferings, afflictions, blessings, to lead us to maturity, perfection.

And to the end that CHRIST is glorified in us, in every area of life.
Or as Paul says to the Thessalonians, ....
when HE comes on that day to be glorified in HIS saints, and to be marveled at IN all who have believed..

we all have to start somewhere so dont get hung up on the $100 analogy
and the point of the post was ..,"define what a disciple is ... because you can give up as much possessions you have but if you are not learning to become like the master and do what he did .. then you are no closer to being his disciple. Or you are very disobedient one but that would make us like judas ..for he also went about healing the sick and casting out demons as far as we know from scriptures .. but his heart was turned away.. (judas is a perfect example of once saved .. not always saved .)

so in what manner of testifiable life are you practicing theses things you are teaching ?..to what extent have you grown into them . as i said elsewhere. it does not take a long time to grow into maturity .. but our bread is to do the will of the father , thus "DOING " his will brings maturity because it is obedience to what we learn rather then just knowing about it .
those who know but do not do are worse then those who are unsaved .
none of what you have written is untrue .. but nither is it automatic .. it takes out obedience to walk in it . it is sad that so few are willing to obey .
but to obey we must do that which the lord is telling us to do .. first the obvious - GO heal the sick preach the gospel baptising in his name and make more disciples .. -it is impossible to disciple some one in something you are not doing yourself .. for they well learn to do what you do not what you say .this is why there are so many church seat warmers on a sunday .. that's whet their church does so that's what they have become disciples in doing . they are being taught to do nothing .because though they are being preached many fine words .. they do not SEE their teachers DOING those fine words and so they too learn to NOT DO .

 

[Freedom Now]

we all have to start somewhere so dont get hung up on the $100 analogy
and the point of the post was ..,"define what a disciple is ... because you can give up as much possessions you have but if you are not learning to become like the master and do what he did .. then you are no closer to being his disciple. Or you are very disobedient one but that would make us like judas ..for he also went about healing the sick and casting out demons as far as we know from scriptures .. but his heart was turned away.. (judas is a perfect example of once saved .. not always saved .)

so in what manner of testifiable life are you practicing theses things you are teaching ?..to what extent have you grown into them . as i said elsewhere. it does not take a long time to grow into maturity .. but our bread is to do the will of the father , thus "DOING " his will brings maturity because it is obedience to what we learn rather then just knowing about it .
those who know but do not do are worse then those who are unsaved .
none of what you have written is untrue .. but nither is it automatic .. it takes out obedience to walk in it . it is sad that so few are willing to obey .
but to obey we must do that which the lord is telling us to do .. first the obvious - GO heal the sick preach the gospel baptising in his name and make more disciples .. -it is impossible to disciple some one in something you are not doing yourself .. for they well learn to do what you do not what you say .this is why there are so many church seat warmers on a sunday .. that's whet their church does so that's what they have become disciples in doing . they are being taught to do nothing .because though they are being preached many fine words .. they do not SEE their teachers DOING those fine words and so they too learn to NOT DO .

It is not about how many mighty works we can imitate, but about Christ being LORD in all areas of life.
And about knowing Him personally.
Discipleship is about what Christ wants us personally to know and do in our individual lives.

We can study scriptures all day long, how Jesus led His disciples and think that what He had them
walk in, is exactly what we will be doing.
We think if we work miracles, heal the sick , cast out demons, .... that we have been baptized by the
Holy Spirit and we are doing God's will. But even Jesus' s disciples did these works before they were baptized
and received the promised Holy Spirit.
It is only God's will for your life, if God sends you out to do these works.

Still remember the early days of this walk in the Spirit, people were healed, set free, miracles,
planted new fellewship, ....you name it, it happened.
But those were works I thought every new believer could do and had to do because they are
written in the script.
But as I grew, I learned that this walk is about complete obedience, not obedience to the
scriptures, but obedience to my LORD.
IT IS ABOUT KNOWING HIM, not knowing about Him , or doing the works that scriptures speak about,
but doing the works that Christ is doing through me.

Otherwise it is possible to be found in this group.....

Not every one that says to Me,..Lord, Lord..., shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN.
On that day many will say to Me,....Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out
demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?
Then HE will declare to you,... I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from Me you evildoers...

That is interesting, prophesy in His name
cast out demons in His name
and do many mighty works in His name

And Jesus calls them EVILDOERS, and declares He never knew them.

That should stop us in our tracks, it should put the fear of the Lord in us.

And by this we may be sure that we know HIM, if we keep HIS commandments.
He who says ,...I know Him. ...but disobeys His commandments is a liar, and the Truth is not in him,
but whoever keeps His Word, in him truly love for God is perfected.
By this we may be sure that we are in Him, he who says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way as He walked.

How did Jesus walk, ?

He learned obedience through suffering.
He was obedient unto death.
He walked for 30 years as born of the Spirit, before He was anointed to do the mighty works.
In all things He looked to the Father to do His will.

Do signs and wonders, healings and miracles still manifest here, definitely,
but we do not put the focus on these works, but our eyes are turned to the Father, to do His
Will, as He guides us.
Our hearts desire is to KNOW HIM, not do works for Him.

I am not longer impressed by any work that man can do "in the name of Jesus".., as it is neither proof that
we are His, or whether we know Him.

May God convict our hearts and bring us to a complete surrender, death to the old man,
that we may seek to KNOW HIM, and become completely obedient from a pure heart, and only
do as HE bids us. That we may realize that we are here for HIS good pleasure.


Open the eyes and ears of those for whom this message is intended.
Thank you, Father.


May the Lord bless you richly.

 

[Alithis]

It is not about how many mighty works we can imitate, but about Christ being LORD in all areas of life.
And about knowing Him personally.
Discipleship is about what Christ wants us personally to know and do in our individual lives.

We can study scriptures all day long, how Jesus led His disciples and think that what He had them
walk in, is exactly what we will be doing.
We think if we work miracles, heal the sick , cast out demons, .... that we have been baptized by the
Holy Spirit and we are doing God's will. But even Jesus' s disciples did these works before they were baptized
and received the promised Holy Spirit.
It is only God's will for your life, if God sends you out to do these works.

Still remember the early days of this walk in the Spirit, people were healed, set free, miracles,
planted new fellewship, ....you name it, it happened.
But those were works I thought every new believer could do and had to do because they are
written in the script.
But as I grew, I learned that this walk is about complete obedience, not obedience to the
scriptures, but obedience to my LORD.
IT IS ABOUT KNOWING HIM, not knowing about Him , or doing the works that scriptures speak about,
but doing the works that Christ is doing through me.

Otherwise it is possible to be found in this group.....

Not every one that says to Me,..Lord, Lord..., shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN.
On that day many will say to Me,....Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out
demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?
Then HE will declare to you,... I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from Me you evildoers...

That is interesting, prophesy in His name
cast out demons in His name
and do many mighty works in His name

And Jesus calls them EVILDOERS, and declares He never knew them.

That should stop us in our tracks, it should put the fear of the Lord in us.

And by this we may be sure that we know HIM, if we keep HIS commandments.
He who says ,...I know Him. ...but disobeys His commandments is a liar, and the Truth is not in him,
but whoever keeps His Word, in him truly love for God is perfected.
By this we may be sure that we are in Him, he who says he abides in Him ought to walk in the same way as He walked.

How did Jesus walk, ?

He learned obedience through suffering.
He was obedient unto death.
He walked for 30 years as born of the Spirit, before He was anointed to do the mighty works.
In all things He looked to the Father to do His will.

Do signs and wonders, healings and miracles still manifest here, definitely,
but we do not put the focus on these works, but our eyes are turned to the Father, to do His
Will, as He guides us.
Our hearts desire is to KNOW HIM, not do works for Him.

I am not longer impressed by any work that man can do "in the name of Jesus".., as it is neither proof that
we are His, or whether we know Him.

May God convict our hearts and bring us to a complete surrender, death to the old man,
that we may seek to KNOW HIM, and become completely obedient from a pure heart, and only
do as HE bids us. That we may realize that we are here for HIS good pleasure.


Open the eyes and ears of those for whom this message is intended.
Thank you, Father.


May the Lord bless you richly.

well, dont have time to read that lot just now .. but you cant 'do his will' and not become like him lol .

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

well, dont have time to read that lot just now .. but you cant 'do his will' and not become like him lol .

The Word of God gives at least one, and maybe several examples
of "doing His will", and not becoming like Him at all - in fact,
after "doing His will" being punished by Him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The point is , if we have renounced all and have no right to anything anymore, then we will not
own the 100 dollars, it will be the Lord's 100 dollars and we are only vessels for it to flow through.

This is why , partly, I messaged you right after your first post in this thread,
and
asked if you knew Corrie ten Boom.

 

[Alithis]

The Word of God gives at least one, and maybe several examples
of "doing His will", and not becoming like Him at all - in fact,
after "doing His will" being punished by Him.

you may need to clarify .. the scripture gives examples of doing "things' in his name .. but that's not automatically his will ..
his will can be "stop sinning by looking at inappropriate content " but the person wont . but they do lots of things in his name to make up for it .but you cant make up for sin . so he says to them .. depart from me you worker of iniquity -because they kept doing the works of sin by looking at inappropriate content . i don't know of an example of actually doing his will.. which can ONLY be done by obedience to him that leads to death .

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

you may need to clarify .. the scripture gives examples of doing "things' in his name .. but that's not automatically his will ..

Good point. And the example is somewhere in the OT at some point
where instead of obeying God joyfully and willingly,
they had obeyed and done exactly what He said to do but with 'grumbling',
so
they were punished. (partly yes, as example for everyone today).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

so he says to them .. depart from me you worker of iniquity -because they kept doing the works of sin by looking at inappropriate content .

They didn't look at inappropriate content. (that's forgivable like adultery and re-marriage if people repent and stop sinning) .
They led by appearance 'spotless' or 'good religious' lives like the scribes and pharisees, or priests,
and like them, did not obey God. (didn't even obey grudgingly, just didn't obey).
see >>
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of the false prophets, [teachers] who come to you dressed as sheep [appearing gentle and innocent], but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the unhealthy tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore, by their fruit you will recognize them [as false prophets].

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day [when I judge them], ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them publicly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me [you are banished from My presence], you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].’

 

[Alithis]

They didn't look at inappropriate content. (that's forgivable like adultery and re-marriage if people repent and stop sinning) .
They led by appearance 'spotless' or 'good religious' lives like the scribes and pharisees, or priests,
and like them, did not obey God. (didn't even obey grudgingly, just didn't obey).
see >>
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of the false prophets, [teachers] who come to you dressed as sheep [appearing gentle and innocent], but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them [that is, by their contrived doctrine and self-focus]. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the unhealthy tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore, by their fruit you will recognize them [as false prophets].

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day [when I judge them], ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them publicly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me [you are banished from My presence], you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].’

Same thing ..yup. I was just giving a singular present day example of disobeying his commands ,sayings ,instructions.

 

[Freedom Now]

This is why , partly, I messaged you right after your first post in this thread,
and
asked if you knew Corrie ten Boom.

I still don't get the connection between what I am posting and Corrie ten Boom.

Did I know Corrie ten Boom? No
Have I heard of her? Yes, read her book the Hidingplace in the early 1990's.

Why were you enquiring whether I knew her?