Is the Bible really infallible?
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No, it is NOT a core belief in this Baptist forumand the belief is not true. There are many errors in the KJV that were corrected in the Revised Version, but the Revised Version was not free from error. The very popular NASB is plagued with numerous grammatical errors and the NIV is such a loose translation that very many Baptists believe that it is not suitable for Bible study.
The statement of faith for this Baptist forum includes the following statement:
The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.
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I am in full agreement with your statement here. I do not wish to debate anything in this thread. The OP asks if the Bible is infallible, and according to the Niceen creed, all Baptists agree that the Bible is infallible and I do not hesitate to say that I am Baptist to the bone.
We believe the Bible is infallible because it is the account of men who wrote in in obedience to God and were eyewitnesses and participants in the message and events written about. If they were not acutally eyewitnesses, such as when Moses recorded the story of creation, they were directed by God to write exactly what they wrote and the original writings were inerrant.
I am not trying to make any debate here other than to answer affirmatively to the OP that the Bible is indeed infallible.
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rule 3 states it is. What do think with out error means?
3. The 66 Books comprising the Scriptures are given by the verbal inspiration of God, and as such are the only and all sufficient, authoritative rule of faith. Given their divine origins, the Scriptures are without error as originally given.
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The point is missed by anyone not wishing to jump to a conclusion that is not really allowed. God is Truth, God's Holy Spirit is GOD, and is called The Spirit of Truth.
John 14
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 15
26 ¶ But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God the Father is GOD, and is THE WORD. He is also, referenced as The Word of Truth.17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 15
26 ¶ But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
I John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
John 1
1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 ¶ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
II Colossians 6
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
Ephesians 1
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
II Titus 2
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
James 1
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
This is mentioned in one way or the other throughout the scriptures. For this reason, we give a reverence and a respect to copies of the Holy Bible that we do not give to other books. I have a great respect for the writings of some great men of God, who, lived in centuries past, but even the BEST of those books is commonly referred to as "The Second Best Book in the English Language."1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 ¶ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
II Colossians 6
7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
Ephesians 1
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
II Titus 2
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
James 1
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
THE PILGRIM'S PROGRESS
From this World to That which is to Come.
by John Bunyan
http://www.achristianspirit.com/PilgrimsProgress.html
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You've been wasting your time discussing Scripture with those who have already elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God (just like the Pharisees). So that's the first thing you need to stop.
The second thing you need to stop is "debating" about this issue. One either believes the Lord Jesus Christ or one does not. Period.
So we come to the crux of the issue. Were the Scripture infallible for the Son of God, who is Himself the Word of God? What did He have to say about the Scriptures?
Rather than give you the relevant Scripture quotations (KJV) which are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ concerning the written Word of God, I will suggest that you personally "search the Scriptures" as He commmanded. If you do not have access to an Exhaustive Concordance or Nave's Topical Bible, please obtain those Bible tools and see for yourself that Christ maintained consistenly that the Bible was infallible. Since He did so, it should not even be an issue for a genuine believer. And what He said about the Hebrew Tanakh applies equally to the New Testament, as confirmed by the apostles.
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I understand your point,but just because there is a Lexical Gap does not mean the context,is changed.
I personally believe the Bible is the inspired living Word of God.
For instance look at some of the Parables of Christ.
You can reveal deeper meaning each time you study them.
The first time you read one you only peel one layer off a a many layered passage.
What a man searches for in his youth is deeper meaning,you will only find structure in religion.
Before you make a life choice I would strongly advise to read from the only book
That can give you life more abundant.
John: 1. 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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Rule 3 states that the Scriptures are without error as originally given. Rule 3 does NOT state that the whole bible with all accepted translation are with out error and are the inspired work of God and as such are free from error. Moreover, that is Not a Baptist belief because it is obviously a false belief because no translation from one language to another language can be more than an approximation of the original. Furthermore, Baptists hold to an extremely wide spectrum of opinion as to what without error means.
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I wrestle with this myself coming from a Baptist and Catholic family. I can't seem to find the Church Christ commissioned of 12 Apostles and 70 Presbyters and having a hard time interpreting the Bible. Iy has become quite the puzzle. Here is some food for thought:
A List Of Biblical Contradictions
A List Of Biblical Contradictions
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