It certainly is not a sin but it sure would be a little creepy... at least the way im imagining it right now^^
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Is Showing Cleavage Immodest? What Does the Bible Say?
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It certainly is not a sin but it sure would be a little creepy... at least the way im imagining it right now^^
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How so? How does it just... force... a person to stumble? If that was true Christians would be forced to sin every time they went to the mall. Everyone needs self control, not just the women with their clothing, the boys with indisciplined minds need it too. We are talking cleavage here... not nipples or boobs. This is a cultural, personal, issue. It is silly to say that a woman showing the upper portion of her breasts simply makes a person stumble.
You are not CAUSING that person to stumble, and even if it their cleavage was the occasion of THEM stumbling, I still would not classify that as sin.
Absolutely not, your sexual thoughts are your own, you are in control of yourself or at least you are supposed to be, if she walked up to you and pulled them out or pushed your face into them I could see that as her HELPING YOU sin, but cleavage... no. That's all you.
It's your fault, cleavage isn't inappropriate content.
How so? How does it just... force... a person to stumble? If that was true Christians would be forced to sin every time they went to the mall. Everyone needs self control, not just the women with their clothing, the boys with indisciplined minds need it too. We are talking cleavage here... not nipples or boobs. This is a cultural, personal, issue. It is silly to say that a woman showing the upper portion of her breasts simply makes a person stumble.
You are not CAUSING that person to stumble, and even if it their cleavage was the occasion of THEM stumbling, I still would not classify that as sin.
Absolutely not, your sexual thoughts are your own, you are in control of yourself or at least you are supposed to be, if she walked up to you and pulled them out or pushed your face into them I could see that as her HELPING YOU sin, but cleavage... no. That's all you.
It's your fault, cleavage isn't inappropriate content.
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Why should it have ended in 3 to 5 pages? Because you think it's that simple? Maybe other's don't agree with you, maybe others find it a bit more important than you do, maybe others don't think it's stupid... your being rude and judgemental.
Maybe you cannot see it but this concerns Christian living, the way women are allowed to dress, the responsibilities that men have over their own sexual desires and actions, this actually spans a few big deal issues like a woman's right to wear what she honestly feels is ok to wear.
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I agree that women do need to dress considerately, appropriately, but you can't say cleavage is where it becomes obscene in general, as a rule, that's a very personal subject and men have to take responsibility for their own bodies. There are degress of cleavage... it can be a little or it be a lot, it isn't just sin in or tempting in general.
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I wouldn't say that it is a sin, nor would I say that it isn't. I do think we should dress modestly though, in general.
I might mention that in my case, some people -especially "well-meaning christians"- have encouraged me to actually dress in MORE revealing clothes. I've actually had friends who gave me little shirts that show off one's breasts, hips, behind, in the hopes that I'd start dressing like them. I don't wear clothes like that. I normally cover everything up, apparently a little too well, from what people tell me. I'm nunnish, in more ways than one, but I'm happy that way.
I might mention that in my case, some people -especially "well-meaning christians"- have encouraged me to actually dress in MORE revealing clothes. I've actually had friends who gave me little shirts that show off one's breasts, hips, behind, in the hopes that I'd start dressing like them. I don't wear clothes like that. I normally cover everything up, apparently a little too well, from what people tell me. I'm nunnish, in more ways than one, but I'm happy that way.
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Don't be too nunnish girl^^ use those things and men will do everything for ya
. sorry guys but thats just how it is.
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Don't be too nunnish girl^^ use those things and men will do everything for ya
Well , sorry that's just offensive, even if its true.
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I know... im sorry... It's actually kind of nice to hear that because usually guys will just agree to about anything I say.
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Wow... noticed the veiws on this post and thought theres got to be something interesting going on here
Its revealing more then cleavage here
Its revealing more then cleavage here
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Righteous judgment goes not by appearance, but by the spirit in which something is done.
For example: If in a very warm climate one wears somewhat revealing clothes to avoid overheating, that in itself wouldn't be sinful.
But if someone realizes it weakens others in a bad way, and then does it anyway...or does it purposely for that sense of power over others weakness...than that is sinful.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. <-----> Romans 14:13
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak. <-----> Romans 14:21
It does work both ways though too.
For one can be offensive by not regarding how another/others may stumble or be made weak spiritually.
And one can also be offensive by putting too much emphasis on how others need to make all kinds of sacrifices so that we are not offended or made weak.
There ought to be some tolerance for inconsideration, and some consideration for intolerance.
Also, if our inspiration/motivation isn't right our acts won't yield the desirable fruit.
For example: if one "bundles up begrudgingly", they likely despise the weakness which calls for covering up, and that creates strife.
But if one sacrifices in godly/brotherly love...than the fruit will be good and acceptable.
Also if one cries out for others to make sacrifices in lieu of seeking to be strengthened within, using others as a sort of scapegoat for their own lack of strength, that is not going to bring about the desired effect.
But if one avidly seeks The Lord's strength within, yet needs/desires a little assistance along the way, that is not wrong or unacceptable, and should therefore be accommodated.
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. <-----> Philippians 4:4+5
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For example: If in a very warm climate one wears somewhat revealing clothes to avoid overheating, that in itself wouldn't be sinful.
But if someone realizes it weakens others in a bad way, and then does it anyway...or does it purposely for that sense of power over others weakness...than that is sinful.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. <-----> Romans 14:13
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak. <-----> Romans 14:21
It does work both ways though too.
For one can be offensive by not regarding how another/others may stumble or be made weak spiritually.
And one can also be offensive by putting too much emphasis on how others need to make all kinds of sacrifices so that we are not offended or made weak.
There ought to be some tolerance for inconsideration, and some consideration for intolerance.
Also, if our inspiration/motivation isn't right our acts won't yield the desirable fruit.
For example: if one "bundles up begrudgingly", they likely despise the weakness which calls for covering up, and that creates strife.
But if one sacrifices in godly/brotherly love...than the fruit will be good and acceptable.
Also if one cries out for others to make sacrifices in lieu of seeking to be strengthened within, using others as a sort of scapegoat for their own lack of strength, that is not going to bring about the desired effect.
But if one avidly seeks The Lord's strength within, yet needs/desires a little assistance along the way, that is not wrong or unacceptable, and should therefore be accommodated.
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. <-----> Philippians 4:4+5
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