Never mind that when one backtracks Ryrie's statement, it turns out here say he is repeating.
That kind of thing right there is where I part company with the Acts 2 Dispensationalist - where the research is actually someone else's poorly researched hand me down repeated.
Again, you and I will never be on the same page about these issues - you rely on the words of others.
I go by whether said words match the Scripture.
In this, I even agree even with the RCC - that there IS a Triune God.
You only think you agree with passages.
You continually ignore Paul's words in Romans 11 in their connection to Moses' words in Deuteronomy.
One of your consistent errors of your many.
Of course, this reads to you as making you the issue.
In the same breath that you repeatedly post your videos where yours make Darby or whomever, the issue, even as you deny that you are doing just that.
Rom 11:1 I say then,
Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For
I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Paul was an Israelite who was not cast away, because of his faith in Christ.)
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
(This group of Israelites turned from God.)
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
(This group of Israelites remained faithful to God.)
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
(During Paul's time there was also a remnant of Israelites, who believed in Christ.)
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit
be holy, the lump
is also
holy: and
if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And
if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
(Here the Olive Tree is a symbol of those in the New Covenant. The Israelites who did not believe in Christ were the branches broken off of the Olive Tree. The Gentile branches were grafted in among the Israelites who accepted Christ, like the Apostle Paul.)
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well;
because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
(The branches broken off, has to be a reference to the unbelieving Israelites, who were broken off because of unbelief.)
Rom 11:23 And
they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
(These Israelites can be grafted back into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ.)
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
In the verse above we find two Olive Trees, one is wild and the other is cultivated. The wild tree represents the Gentile Christians and the cultivated tree represents the Israelites, who accepted Christ. At the end of the verse we find that those Israelites broken off can be grafted back into the tree, through faith.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that
blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
There are at least two methods of interpreting verse 25. Dispensationalists would like to say that “all” of the Israelites were “partially” blinded as to who the Messiah is. However, the rest of the passage conflicts with this interpretation starting at verse 1, with Paul stating he is an Israelite. Paul was not “partially” blinded, nor were the 3,000 men of “the house of Israel” who accepted Christ on the day of Pentecost.
The other option is that part of the Israelites were blinded and part of the Israelites were not blinded and accepted Christ. This fit’s the clear meaning found in the other verses of Romans chapter 11.
Dispensationalists also normally claim the Church is the “Gentile Bride”, even though we know from this passage that the early New Covenant Church was made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together and is still made up of both bloodlines today. Darbyists do this in order to claim that the Pretrib Rapture is the time when “the fulness of the Gentiles be come in”. There are several conflicts produced by this logic. The first is the many problems with the pretrib doctrine. The second is the fact that even Dispensationalists acknowledge that some Gentiles come to faith in Christ during the tribulation period.
Rom 11:26
And “so” all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
("
so" is an adverb of manner indicated by the Greek. It is not an adverb of time.)
G3779
οὕτωhoutō
hoo'-to
Or, before a vowel, οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce.
From G3778;
in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that,
after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for all that, like (-wise), no more, on this fashion (-wise), so (in like manner), thus, what.
This could also be written, “
And in this manner all Israel shall be saved…” which refers back to verse 23. They can be grafted back in through Faith in Christ.
Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; (ESV)
The descendants of Jacob can only be grafted back into faithful Israel by faith in Christ. This is the "so", manner of their salvation by grafting them back into the Olive Tree at Romans 11:23.
Rom 11:27 For
this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
This has to be the New Covenant foretold in Jer. 31:31-34, and spoken by the words of Christ at Matt. 26:28. It is also found at Hebrews 8:6-13, 12:24, 13:20. It is now in effect, based on Heb. 8:6. Christ took away the sins of all bloodlines of people at the Cross of Calvary. If this covenant is already in effect, instead of waiting on a future fulfillment, the Dispensational viewpoint of the passage cannot be correct.
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
I have heard the following question asked by Dispensationalists in regard to Romans 11:28.
How can “they” be enemies of the Gospel and elect at the same time?
The logical answer is… They cannot. In order to prevent conflict with the rest of the passage, this verse must include two groups of Israelites.
Paul started Romans chapter 11 with two groups of Israelites, those who bowed to Baal and the remnant of Israelites who would not. In this verse we also have two groups. There were those blinded to who was the Messiah and were broken off of the Olive Tree. Paul constantly battled these Israelites, who were enemies of the Gospel. There was also another group of Israelites, who like him, were the “election” by accepting Jesus as their Messiah and remained in the Olive Tree. The Gentiles were grafted in among the election of Israelites.
We would all like to see the entire modern nation of Israel come to faith in Christ. However, the Dispensationalist’s plan for a future “national salvation” of the descendants of Jacob outside of the New Covenant Church, cannot be found in Romans chapter 11.
The Olive Tree, is a symbol of those in the New Covenant and according to the words of the Apostle Paul in Romans 11, salvation only comes through being grafted into the Olive Tree.
My wife and I have supported both “Jews for Jesus” and “Word of Messiah”, because these two ministries are now working to graft the modern descendants of Jacob back into the Olive Tree, which is a symbol of the New Covenant, by sharing the Gospel message with these modern descendants of Israel.
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