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[jimmyjimmy]

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[Demetrius194]

The idea the God talks back to us when we pray has become so accepted that it's difficult to challenge, but is it true or a cliché?

I think it SHOULD be true, meaning that he doesn't always talk back to us when we pray, but that we should sure hear Him if we persist in humility, sorrow, meekness, in supplications and not demands, if we also add acts of kindness here to the poor Christians, Mark 9:41. No mater how hard it is to get God to "hear" us and to let us know it, we can raise His favor to the tipping point by our acts.

He can show He heard us by an audible voice, or even just by simply giving us to feel sudden and deep relief. Some people don't believe we can trust these things, that they can be deceptive (and they can sure sometimes can be), but answer me this: did Jesus ask the blind man how does he see before He did something more to help him see better?

The answer is yes, and so also we, can use what our senses tell us to judge whether we received or not. Some may say where is faith in this equation? The answer is that we "believe" when we show these works above, because it is written that an existence of good works NOW can prove that the person has faith AT THE TIME (works don't have to "carry over" to the next day -- it is the Spirit/Grace saves, and the works only show that the person NOW is in Spirit/Grace, see Ephesians 2:8, James 2:17), see James 2:18.

Of course, faith can be "shown" by speaking too, because to say something is also an act, just think of the many court cases for personal libel. This is when we confess Jesus as Lord, for example, which immediately fills us with the Spirit, see Luke 6:45 and 1 Corinthians 12:3. But of course, even the devils believe and tremble, so we also have to always have a clear conscience, so that the Spirit may STAY and not be drained through the holes of our guiltiness, see 1 Timothy 1:19.

 

[Optimax]

The word "talk" as well as voice can be misleading.

God "talks" to us, we hear his "voice".

However His voice is very rarely an audible voice.

It is an inward "voice" from the spirit of a born again person (rom 10:9) where the Holy Spirit dwells.

Many times more like a thought or impulse. One can recognize with practice if the thought/impulse/"voice" was from the head or from the spirit.

 

[sunlover1]

The idea the God talks back to us when we pray has become so accepted that it's difficult to challenge, but is it true or a cliché?

Why would you want to "challenge" it?
Its Scriptural, so I'm not sure why someone would disbelieve it.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Why would you want to "challenge" it?
Its Scriptural, so I'm not sure why someone would disbelieve it.

Because I do not believe it is "scriptural". God's revelation ended with the completion of the cannon of scripture.

People use the "God spoke to me" thing to justify whatever they want to, and they end up in very odd places, like churchless, for example.

Any example I'll never forget is a story told by Joni Ericsson. After her accident, six different men informed Joni that, "God told me to marry her". . .

 

[sunlover1]

Because I do not believe it is "scriptural". God's revelation ended with the completion of the cannon of scripture.

I didn't realize you thought it was unbiblical.
My sheep hear my voice,
and I know them, and they follow me.

People use the "God spoke to me" thing to justify whatever they want to, and they end up in very odd places, like churchless, for example.

They do indeed us "god spoke to me" to justify anything they want to.
That doesn't negate that fact that He speaks!
They also use twisting of the Bible, but we
still know that the BIBLE doesn't lie.

Any example I'll never forget is a story told by Joni Ericsson. After her accident, six different men informed Joni that, "God told me to marry her". .

yes, there ARE idiots everywhere, even in churches
THATs why I try to only listen to GOD

 

[sunlover1]

God created man and walked and talked with Him in the garden.
This was a love, a "friendship" and fellowship with God almighty.
Man fell
Yet God STILL spoke to men (OT, lot of examples)
Then Jesus came and again, God was speaking to man.
THen Jesus, Emmanuel (God with us) said that it was
a good thing (for us) if He'd leave, because that way
we can have His Spirit IN us. (God still with us)

Yes, God VERY much wants to tabernacle with us and to
show us great things that we knew not. He speaks to us
through dreams, visions and through our spirit. He speaks
to us through our conscience, and through other members
of the body of Christ (Prophecy, WOW, WOK) and even
through teachers, music, etc.

He created us in His image and it's His desire to have
"relationship" with us. Communication is the basis of life
and our Father, He communicates with us, daily, always
We're His kids! How else will we know we need to go to
this place and do this or that thing if we don't hear our
Father's voice? (His sheep HEAR His voice! He said so)
Oh, how He loves us!
And we love Him because He first loved us!

 

[sunlover1]

PS
NOT trying to shove my beliefs onto others.
Just sharing my own understanding

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I didn't realize you thought it was unbiblical.

Myself and a few million others. It's very common, but not in favor in contemporary evangelical circles.

My sheep hear my voice,
and I know them, and they follow me.

His voice, for us, in inscriputurated. He calls to us through the preaching of the gospel.

"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?​

THATs why I try to only listen to GOD

I would imagine that all six of the guys who proposed to Joni would say the same. I have no reason to believe that they weren't sincere or that there were crazy. But, I think that we can take feelings and intuitions and call them the voice of God. . .

NOT trying to shove my beliefs onto others.
Just sharing my own understanding

Good, but you can strong hold beliefs without shoving them down throats. That's what this place is for. We should all be able to assert something without being accused of shoving down people's throats, but in this day, it seems forbidden to be dogmatic about anything.

 

[ViaCrucis]

"My sheep know My voice"

Yes, when the sheep hear the voice of the Shepherd in His word of Gospel they hear it, believe it, and trust it. Jesus never said He'd speak privately to us, His voice is public, in the word of His Gospel preached and proclaimed in and by the Church.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[sunlover1]

Myself and a few million others. It's very common, but not in favor in contemporary evangelical circles.

I don't care how many men think this or that or the other thing.
and i don't care what label you put on people.
I'm nothing more than someone who loves God
and hears His voice.

His voice, for us, in inscriputurated. He calls to us through the preaching of the gospel.

YOu took a passage of Scritpure that SAYS we Hear His voice,
And in fact RED LETTERS, and said that it's UNscriptural to hear HIm.
I'm going to stick with TWo Things
What I READ
and what I HEARD

"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

THis happens to be speaking of those who don't know Him yet.
But I have also heard of God speaking to unbelievers and them being saved.
So evidently you're mishandling the word by trying to say this passage
says that is the ONLY way we hear from Him
Or is that not what you're implying?

I would imagine that all six of the guys who proposed to Joni would say the same. I have no reason to believe that they weren't sincere or that there were crazy. But, I think that we can take feelings and intuitions and call them the voice of God.

. .
Ohh we CAN take feelings and call them the voice of God
and we can even hear the voice of the enemy trying to MIMIC the voice of God.
No one said that this would be easy, we're in a war!
But God speaks to His people personally!
I am sorry if you aren't experiencing all of God this way
but I am and have been for many years and certainly wont'
have someone who doesn't hear God tell me I can't
*shrug, that would be silly of me.

Good, but you can strong hold beliefs without shoving them down throats. That's what this place is for. We should all be able to assert something without being accused of shoving down people's throats, but in this day, it seems forbidden to be dogmatic about anything.

I'm sorry if you thought i was impolying that YOU shove your beliefs on others.
I was refering to me.
It was my way of letting the reader know that my tone is not one of authority
or bossiness. Just sharing.
When I post, i just type answers and often forget to add the kind of things
to show tone.
93% of communication is non verbal
(so "THEY" say )

 

[sunlover1]

"My sheep know My voice"

Yes, when the sheep hear the voice of the Shepherd in His word of Gospel they hear it, believe it, and trust it. Jesus never said He'd speak privately to us, His voice is public, in the word of His Gospel preached and proclaimed in and by the Church.

-CryptoLutheran

I disagree with your commentary.
I hear His voice!
Not as often as I'd like to,
but the variable is me, not Him.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I think the answers on the poll are a bit strict. God can speak to us and answer our prayers in many ways, not just through scripture. However, I don't believe He is speaking audibly to anyone in this period of history. Maybe He is, but not in my experience.

 

[sunlover1]

I think the answers on the poll are a bit strict. God can speak to us and answer our prayers in many ways, not just through scripture. However, I don't believe He is speaking audibly to anyone in this period of history. Maybe He is, but not in my experience.

I haven't heard God speak audibly, but I think I've heard others say that they have.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I haven't heard God speak audibly, but I think I've heard others say that they have.

I agree 100% with you Sunlover (Sonlover?)... "a still small voice."

I finally understand the spirit of some people on these forums that don't believe God communicated with man for almost 2000 years outside the scriptures.

I never knew such a position existed...

 

[Shane R]

Hebrews 1:1-2a
Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son.

Interesting that none of that makes direct personal communication from God typical for any age of God's people - God has always used agents.

 

[sunlover1]

Hebrews 1:1-2a
Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. In these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son.

Interesting that none of that makes direct personal communication from God typical for any age of God's people - God has always used agents.

That's not true, the passage you quoted was making one point.
We know for a fact, that God walked and talked with Adam in the garden.
THAT was paradise, the ideal relationship between God and 'man'.
Then He spoke to the fathers by prophets AND in different ways.
To Moses He spoke face to face. To Abraham He spoke but we don't
know if it was audibly or what (at least I don't) He spoke to many men
in the OT AND through prophets.
Then He spoke FACE TO FACE in the NT .. (Jesus spoke to all,
and Jesus is perfect theology in that He's God Himself.)
Now God still speaks to His kids today.
Why would He stop?

 

[sunlover1]

I agree 100% with you Sunlover (Sonlover?)... "a still small voice."

I finally understand the spirit of some people on these forums that don't believe God communicated with man for almost 2000 years outside the scriptures.

I never knew such a position existed...

I didn't either! I assumed all prayed to God and waited to hear an "aNswer"
People TALK about that all the time.
What I am shocked about is that anyone would expect that God would walk
and talk with Adam and then throughout the Bible, but then suddenly STOP.
I'm surprised that anyone would expect a downgrade .. after all that Jesus did
to show how much the Father LOVES us and wants relationship!
How can you have a relationship with someone without communicating?
Hmmm.

(Yes, it's Son lover, it was a play on an OT passage.)

 

[Shane R]

That's not true, the passage you quoted was making one point.
We know for a fact, that God walked and talked with Adam in the garden.
THAT was paradise, the ideal relationship between God and 'man'.
Then He spoke to the fathers by prophets AND in different ways.
To Moses He spoke face to face. To Abraham He spoke but we don't
know if it was audibly or what (at least I don't) He spoke to many men
in the OT AND through prophets.
Then He spoke FACE TO FACE in the NT .. (Jesus spoke to all,
and Jesus is perfect theology in that He's God Himself.)
Now God still speaks to His kids today.
Why would He stop?

Any argument based on what was typical of life in the garden of Eden is flawed in proposing a norm for the intermediate time between the expulsion of man and the Eschaton. And if the OT records a number of occasions when God worked in extraordinary ways, one must remember the purpose and setting of those writings: It is primarily a record of God's extraordinary dealings with a small particular people in a broad world. That extraordinary events occur at a high rate should be unsurprising and should not be taken as normative or a pattern for the ordinary workings of God.

As for speaking face to face with Moses, that must be allegorized to some degree as Moses could not gaze upon the unfiltered glory of God, but only upon his backside in passing.

 

[sunlover1]

Any argument based on what was typical of life in the garden of Eden is flawed in proposing a norm for the intermediate time between the expulsion of man and the Eschaton. And if the OT records a number of occasions when God worked in extraordinary ways, one must remember the purpose and setting of those writings: It is primarily a record of God's extraordinary dealings with a small particular people in a broad world. That extraordinary events occur at a high rate should be unsurprising and should not be taken as normative or a pattern for the ordinary workings of God.

As for speaking face to face with Moses, that must be allegorized to some degree as Moses could not gaze upon the unfiltered glory of God, but only upon his backside in passing.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
What happened in the garden is God's design.
And He said and did so many things in the NT
that books couldn't HOLD it all.

And regardless, He still talks to His peeps.
You may not 'think' so, but that's not going to change it
"My sheep hear my voice..."