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Is it possible to think you have absolute certitude of your salvation but be wrong?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by MrPolo, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Rick Otto

    Rick Otto The Dude Abides

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    That was not my answer. The answer I gave was adequate.
    What is inadequate about the need for fellowship being an answer???



    He can lead me to greener pastures.

    I would need to thank the Doctor. Maybe you wouldn't. It's OK, I understand.

    Once you're saved, you're saved, unless you're not. Are you saved? If you are, don't you want to thank Jesus? No need? You only care about yourself? I understand.

    Because sometimes we get sick but it isn't cancer, it's just diarrhea.:sorry:
     
  2. Nik0s

    Nik0s Guest

    Hanging out for fellowship is not needing Christ.

    So you can become "More saved"? :confused:
    That's great and all, but after you thanked him you would just go home.
    You're not answering my question rick. Why do you still need a savior if you are saved? Remember, once you thank the doctor you go home.
    Awesome cop out. :wave:
     
  3. Rick Otto

    Rick Otto The Dude Abides

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    How is fellowship not a need?
    Besides, I said we needed Him to receive our gratitude.
    That would make sense to a three yr old. Listen, if you can't see any advantage in wanting to fellowship with Jesus simply because you are already saved, there ain't gonna be no way in L.A. I can answer that question in a way you will find "adequate".
    Find another whipping boy.
    You know everything about me!!! How do you DO that!:doh:
    ^_^
    YOU go home. :wave:My home is with the Doctor.
    Said the spider to the fly. Like I said, find another victim.
     
  4. MamaZ

    MamaZ Guest

    Once you are saved it is a intimate relationship with the Savior. We do not need to work at trying to be saved or stay saved. Man cannot save themselves by doing any works. So why try? He has already translated His People from darkness to light. They are all ready born again. New birth in Him. All these people trying to keep saved must be quite a burden. This is why we come to Him for His burden is light. He gives rest to the weary and He renews their strength.
     
  5. MamaZ

    MamaZ Guest

    Notice we are not told to work to have salvation. Just as if you have a problem in your home you work it out. If there is no problem you won't work it out. Same with Salvation. We have Salvation so we work it out. It is a life time of growing. From a babe in Christ drinking the milk of the word to eating the meat of the word. Just as in a family Home. Just because a sister or brother don't always agree or get along does not make them no longer brother and sister. Salvation is the beginning of our Journey with the Lord into eternity. It is not the end effect.
     
  6. Nik0s

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    That is totally contradictory not only to scripture but to what the early church taught.
     
  7. Albion

    Albion Facilitator

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    If this is the key statement, it can be defended on the basis of scripture and early church history.
     
  8. Nik0s

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    Salvation is not a one time event, it is a lifelong process that we must work to achieve. Remember, the way is narrow, not everyone who says "Lord!, Lord!" will be saved.
     
  9. Albion

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    That's one view. 'Being saved' may refer to the assurance that we have that we are going to be acceptable to the Lord after our deaths OR to the passage into the afterlife itself, but we are convinced from the word of God that it is nothing that WE achieve for ourselves or even in cooperation with Christ through performing good deeds that we hope he will credit us with.

    Christ paid the penalty for sins, our sins, and made the only perfect act that can never be repeated, equalled, or improved upon. He did this because we could do nothing by our own efforts that would put away the guilt for our sins.
     
  10. Timothew

    Timothew Τιμοθέῳ γνησίῳ τέκνῳ ἐν πίστει

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    My own belief is we are ultimately saved when Jesus Christ resurrects us from death into eternal life. In the meantime we can know that we are saved because we have faith that he will do this for us. The reason we can have faith is that he promised to give eternal life life all who repent of their sins and receive him. The other reason we can have faith that he will resurrect us is that he proved he can by his own resurrection. He accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

    So we were saved by Christ when he died on the cross and rose again, we are being saved through repentance and faith in him, and we will be saved when he returns.

    I like Dorothea's statement.
     
  11. MamaZ

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    How is it contradictory to scripture?
     
  12. MamaZ

    MamaZ Guest

    We do not work to achieve salvation. That is a works based theology. No man can recieve salvation through their works.
     
  13. MamaZ

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    Salvation is not of works lest any man should boast. Salvation is of the Lord, through Grace and the cross and His ressurection.
     
  14. Albion

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    And they tell us there's nothing in scripture that teaches salvation by faith.:sigh:
     
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    Yes they can be wrong of course.
    I personally have absolute assurance based on the Holy Spirit.
    Can I be wrong? Not if the Spirit testified, which He did.

    So it comes down to whether or not someone has the Spirit or not whether or not they can be given reassurance. Christ Jesus likened the Spirit to rivers of flowing water. Do people have this? Or why would he say something like that and not mean a literal feeling?

    So whoever has not had the Spirit testify doesn't know God.
    Whoever doesn't live in love also doesn't know God since God is love.

    Both scriptural, both steps on peoples toes.
     
  16. LaSpino3

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    Mr. Polo, what does certitude mean?

    Phil LaSpino
     
  17. Nik0s

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    We receive our Salvation through Jesus Christ by partaking in the sacrements of the Church and obeying Christs' commandments about loving one and other.

     
  18. MamaZ

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    Don't read that in scripture. Sorry. I read in scripture believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household will be saved. Nothing about sacraments of any church
     
  19. Nik0s

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    You need to re-read scripture then.
     
  20. Timothew

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    Which verse?
     
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