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is it a sin to be a crossdresser

Discussion in 'Congregation-specific Ethics' started by paul1953, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. GenetoJean

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    Truthhound, I am transgender and have NO interest in sex. Living life as a female doesnt bring me a sexual thrill. It is just who I am. Also, though I dont think you mentioned it others did, I have NEVER had a sexual interest in man. So the whole lust and sins of the flesh dont apply to me. Still there are those passages. Through research of translations I feel each of those were directed at very specific groups of people or mistranslated. I know I am in the minority of this and am gratefull for those that are going to or have already tried to convince me I am wrong about this; I am gratefull that there are those who love me enough to try to save me. All I can say is I pray daily now for God just to show me how he wants to live and this is what I am being shown. Praying to learn to be more boyish or manish never worked. Also befor it is mentioned or because it has been mentioned before, I do believe that God has the power to do anything. I just feel this is what He wants of me.
     
  2. Truthhound

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    "*[[1Co 7:4]] NET* It is not the wife who has the rights to her own body, but the husband. In the same way, it is not the husband who has the rights to his own body, but the wife."

    When you got married, you gave up the rights to your own body. Your wife now has the Biblical right to veto any such notions which you might be entertaining re: "leaving your first estate". Not a very wise plan to leave one's "first estate". The call of sexual disatisfaction, sexual identity issues, sexual lust etc. etc. etc. are NOT ever valid justification for "leaving one's first estate", no matter who you are.
     
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    "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude verses 6,7
     
  4. GenetoJean

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    If it were only that simple. Being transgender isn't just a notion you wake up with one morning. It is something I have lived with for as long as I can remember. My wife has been to my therapist with me. She accepts this is who I am. Is she happy about it? No. Just like she wouldn't be happy if I had a chronic illness.
     
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    I'm well aware of the deep rooted chronic nature of the sin of crossdressing. The emotional underpinnings of this practice I became aware of much later in life. I have battled this thing for decades (since early childhood) and always assumed it to be simply a lust issue. How wrong I was. As a free man now I wish to share what I have learned in hopes of freeing others as well. What literally took me decades to learn, I'm guessing could be learned within a year or less by anyone wanting to break free as well.
    Briefly then, I see the path to freedom and release from this deadly vice as happening in three stages. Deliverance first in spirit, second in body, and lastly in soul itself (the very seat of our affections). I will be speaking to you Jene, but more importantly I will be speaking to the much wider readership of this thread. I will post within a few days on the first of the needed deliverances, "The deliverance of the spirit". C U soon. God bless you brother.

    Love in Christ

    Truthhound
     
  6. Provision

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    I find it interesting that most men who have posted in this thread say that Crossdressing is sinning. What about for comfort? What about in the privacy of your own home?
     
  7. Truthhound

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    "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." Romans 7:22,23
    The sin of crossdressing goes so deep and is so invasive of our whole body soul and spirit, that the only pure area we still possess is that spirit part of us that was regenerated when when we first became Christians. That part within us that truly can take delight in pleasing God and grasping the blessed truth found in God's Word. We must learn to ignore the protests of our raging, selfish bodies and souls (affections). They can be delivered eventually as well, but we need to get our spirits (our minds) delivered first.
    As we learn from the passage cited in Romans above, even the great Apostle Paul experienced firsthand what it was like to have a pure mind trapped in a sinning disobedient body. I assure you that this is a much better place to be then in a sinning body that is also under the control of a sinning mind. The MIND (our spirit) needs fixing first. I wish to keep these posts short and readable. I'll talk about how to fix our minds the next time I post.

    God Bless

    Truthhound
     
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    "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1st John 1: 8,9,10
    Confession of our sin is the first step of deliverance. We must take full ownership of the sin of crossdressing, not excusing it, not justifying it, not lying about it, not blaming others for it, not pretending that it is somehow OK for us to continue living with this sinful pleasure. We need to confess this first of all to God and to ourselves and for those of us who have hidden this sin within our marriages, we will need to come clean with our spouses as well. God obligates himself to forgive if we confess our sin, and accept the Bible's teaching on this practice as the final authority to define and condemn this practice for what it is. SIN!
    One more thing. Such a confession is invalid if the crossdresser is unwilling to forsake his "STASH" of womens clothing. Maintaining a secret stash, reading materials or anything else related to this sinful ritual is an INVALID, INCOMPLETE confession. An honest PURGE must go hand in hand with this confession if the spirit is to be cleansed and delivered.
    "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and FORSAKETH them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13
    Now comes the hard part. How do we stay clean? How do we STOP falling back into the sin and living in that hellish cycle of .....purging/confession......failure again and again and again? I will begin to address that issue in my next post when I share what I have learned about the second stage of the deliverance we need which is "the deliverance of the BODY" from the sin of crossdressing.
    One final remark here. I have learned that it is still better and more pleasing to God for a crossdresser to try and fail no matter how many times to get free, instead of giving up and being devoured forever by this sin. There is hope. There is deliverance. This thing can be beaten.

    Blessings

    Truthhound
     
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    Philippians 3:19 Their end is destruction, their god is the belly, they exult in their shame, and they think about earthly things.
    Lots of people need to learn to gain control of their bodies, not just crossdressers. 30% of people in USA are obese and Canada is not far behind. In spite of the fact that the wrong kinds of food are easier to aquire than ever (drivethrough food for example), and in spite of the fact that such food is advertized to us hundreds of times every day; many many people still find the will to rise up and just say no to this nutritional garbage and they change their lives for the better. They choose the discipline of exercise DESPITE the initial protests of their own bodies and they choose to learn how to eat good food and how to be satisfied with that instead. Crossdressers generally know how to diet. Crossdressers need simply apply that same determination and will to the business of CLOTHING their bodies as they do when FEEDING their bodies. It CAN be done!
    The apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians 9:27 talks about his need to SUBDUE his own body in order to serve God successfully, and not end up as a castaway. We crossdressers and FORMER crossdressers need to do exactly as he did. As I stated earlier, this must be done in SPITE of the fact that our affections (our very souls) are still undelivered at this point, and that deep longing for all things feminine remains as strong as ever. Deliverance of the soul (our affections themselves) will be the final thing I address.
    A couple more tips here on simply getting free from the ACT itself of dressing up as a woman. Stop shaving bodily hair on the legs and chest if that is your practice. Make bodily exercise a part of your daily routine. Make occasional prayer and FASTING a routine part of your life as well. These are all measures to remind your own flesh that YOU ARE IN CHARGE of the bodily temple God had entrusted you with, and that neither your belly nor your sexuality is going to be giving the orders anymore. One of the fruits of the Spirit is SELF-CONTROL. If we are saved we are indwelt with this Holy Spirit of God. The POWER to exercise this self-control is available to EVERY christian, CROSSDRESSERS INCLUDED!

    Blessings

    Truthhound
     
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    Truthbound, you seem very passionate about this subject. Why?
     
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    "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with HER love. And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a STRANGE WOMAN, and embrace the bosom of a stranger? Proverbs 5:19,20
    God created men hardwired to be enchanted with the female form. It is God's will for a man to marry a woman and to spend a lifetime of delight with her, to serve her in love spiritually, materially, emotionally, and sexually. What an AWESOME God we serve!!!! Gotta LOVE THAT PLAN........right???? Satan doesn't agree. He HATES to see that plan in action because it speaks directly to the plan God has devised for himself, which is his intention to spend an eternity of wedded bliss with his bride, the Church, described in no less glowing terms then the very "FULLNESS of him that filleth all in all". Ephesians 1:23

    Satan would much rather if we took that hardwired, masculine, God given desire for the delights of all things feminine, and turned that desire INWARD instead of directing it OUTWARD to the "wife of our youth" as God wants it to be. In fact this particular corruption of the heart is noted in the Bible as a special mark of the "last days". Just as Satan himself was "lifted up and corrupted........by his OWN BEAUTY and Brightness" Ezekiel 28:17, so he would have the men of our day and age do the very SAME THING!

    "In the last days.........MEN SHALL BE LOVERS OF THEIR OWN SELVES.........without natural affection...........lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God." 2nd Timothy 3: 1-4

    The third and final level of deliverance for the crossdresser is the deliverance of our very souls from the narcissistic SELF LOVE of satanic design and origin, and redirecting that love to our wives where it belongs. It is no different then if a man was involved in a sexual affair with a co-worker, a neighbour, or a relative. In some respects it is even worse. You can take steps to avoid further contact with someone you might have had an affair with. A crossdresser never has that option. That "other STRANGE woman" that we have set about to create within our own minds and bodies cannot simply be avoided. During those shameful episodes where we have indulged this fantasy of becoming a woman, to satisfy our own lust, we have chosen to vacate the throne of our own minds leaving that space ever more vulnerable to the control and influence of the "tempter" himself. Each shameful episode makes it harder and harder to regain control of the male mind we were created with, and then those dark ungodly thoughts start to creep in where we begin to contemplate ways and means of going over COMPLETELY to the other (female) side.

    We made the choice initially to be LOVERS OF OUR OWN SELVES. With Gods help, we must renounce that choice to be WHORES UNTO OURSELVES, with all the mind warping satanic baggage that seems to come with it, and we must now CHOOSE ARIGHT to be devoted and faithful in love to "the wife of our youth". I believe that when we can understand this crossdressing ritual for what it really is, a GREVIOUS sin against God, those we love best, and nature itself; the door of hope for us begins to open. It is NOT a harmless private amusement as so many in our world would have us think. This sin has the potential to cost us EVERYTHING.

    Step 1: Repent in mind and spirit of the sin of crossdressing.

    Step 2: Stop the bodily act of crossdressing, and any attempts to feminize your body.

    Step 3: Choose to stop loving yourself and love your wife instead. Plan to get a wife if you don't have one already.


    God bless you all

    Love in Christ

    Truthhound
     
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  12. GenetoJean

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    I can see your point and do love things all things feminin, but not in a lustfull type way. It just seems natural. Just as things masculine seem so alien. Nothing masculine is desirable for me are undesirable to me.
     
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    Firstly to Provision, I was not ignoring you, I just did not want to get sidetracked before completing my posts re: "the three levels of deliverance" as I have come to see it.

    Your first question is answered now within my last post, and I trust your second question is as well. I believe this issue of crossdressing could very well be a salvific issue in the final analysis. Having found deliverance myself after so many years of searching, I felt burdened to try to help others break free as well. This forum seemed an ideal spot to share what I have learned after years of Bible searching to find answers about this topic.

    Quick note here to brother Gene. You've got to get your feminine FIX in God's way, through the act of marriage etc. Otherwise you have to part company with God over this. There simply is no joy or peace of mind in a life lived outside of the will of God. What can I say Gene. Your plans to try and womanize yourself will end in disaster. You won't find happiness in that course of action. You'll have to keep pretending that parts of the Bible don't apply to you or don't actually mean what they clearly say. That is a terrible choice for a professing Christian to make. Why not rather take up a cross of self- denial and live at peace with your Maker? That would be a more honourable choice IMO.

    To the others reading this thread. I suspect the following about those of us who have been afflicted with the bondage of crossdressing. MANY of us I suspect are afflicted also (or HAVE been afflicted) with what the mental health profession would call "narcissism". Yery difficult to a true narcissist to accept such a diagnosis. With God's help I was able to discover this about myself. I mention this because "self-love" seems natural to the narccisist just as self-love in a sexual gender immersion kind of way, seems natural to a crossdresser's mind. The modus operandi of both the crossdresser and the narcissist boils down to, "It really is ALL ABOUT ME AND MY NEEDS". :-/
    People afflicted with both of these predispositons have no motivation to change. Its all about THEM. Never mind how many people get hurt, never mind how badly the Christian testimony gets shamed, and never mind what God thinks or says in his Word. Not much hope for a person in that frame of mind. My previous remarks on getting free from this sin of crossdressing will go unheeded by such people. So be it. "shrug"

    Truthhound.
     
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    Deuteronomy 22:5
    “No garb of an able-bodied man should be put upon a woman, neither should an able-bodied man wear the mantle of a woman; for anybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah your God.

    rob
     
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    Not so:-

    Romans 1:26, 27
    That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.
    Romans 1:32
    Although these know full well the righteous decree of God, that those practicing such things are deserving of death, they not only keep on doing them but also consent with those practicing them.


    So to even say you agree with homosexuality (it "isn't a sin") even if the act is not preformed caries the death sentence in God's eyes!

    rob
     
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    The passage that you chose to include says practicing so it even supports Rachel's statement.
     
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    I found this thread while doing a bit of research on the concept of sin in general. Having been born genetically male, I nonetheless have seen myself as female for most of my life. After years of guilt (largely courtesy of my Baptist upbringing), I have chosen to embrace that gift. Is that a sin? Well...that depends on who you ask. Quoting laws addressed to the Jewish nation, such as Deuteronomy 22:5, are probably not helpful from a Christian perspective.

    There are many ritualistic laws in Deuteronomy that Christians do not feel the obligation to obey, largely due to Paul's admonitions regarding legalism. I have seen some convoluted attempts to tie transgenderism into the Ten Commandments, the primary Mosaic Laws which would seem to still be binding (Matthew 5:17) in pointing people to the need for Christ. These attempts, however, are tenuous, at best, in my opinion - more the product of human exegetical excess, than Divine intent.

    Is cross-dressing or, more generally, transgender behavior, a sin? Only one way to know for sure....pray. I have and I have my answer.
     
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    Truthhound-- I appreciate your perspective that crossdressing is a sin. In fact, from the perspective through which you practiced it in your former life, it was idolatry. So in your case, I appreciate the spiritual victory in Christ through which you have found freedom from idolatry.

    However, I will say that one man's idol is not every mans idol. So you can't say your sin is every man's sin. Blanket statements are inappropriate, though sharing your particular point of view is NOT.

    My freedom allows me to drink red wine with steak, but that wine is an idol to an alcoholic. My freedom allows me to eat deep fried french fries, but to a recovering food-a-holic, that french fry is an idol.

    Just because you made an idol out of wearing clothing of the opposite sex doesn't mean everyone makes an idol out of wearing clothing of the opposite sex.
     
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    Is it a sin to be a cross dresser? I am not sure, but it might especially be if you end up looking like a redneck chick in lycra tights and flannelette shirt and your mullet in a pony tail.

    If you wear a pants suit like Ellen degeneres you should be safe.
     
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