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Is a Virgin still a Virgin

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by 1hope, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    Just wanting some opinions and views on this. It is meant as a serious question, please treat it that way.
    If a Virgin has never been with a man/woman but uses *pleasure toys* would they still be considered a Virgin? Do you believe God would still see them as pure?
     
  2. Forge3

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    In terms of chastity this is not pure. For chastity includes celibacy and no sexual self-stimulation. On the positive side of the axis it includes, in the Christian senses, a channeling of the energy toward the spiritual things of God. Prayer, service, fellowship. And a drawing closer to God.
     
  3. dayhiker

    dayhiker Mature veteran

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    I don't think toys takes ones virginity just as fingers didn't/don't.

    As for purity, I think impurity comes from mixing idol worship with sex. So I don't see any form of masturbation as taking away any ones purity.
     
  4. Istaly

    Istaly Newbie

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    The person is still a virgin but not sexually pure. You are giving yourself to lust. The fact that it's a toy involved means you have given an idol of lust leverage in your life, not just simply falling to the temptation of self pleasure.

    But of course we have been all cleansed by the blood. So let the person not be ashamed but know that they are crossing the line to sexual impurity. Impurity in the practical physical realm, but never impure in the eyes of God for the righteousness of Christ is always and forever imputed on you. But head the grace apostles warning(Paul). Shall Christ be joined to a harlot( or in this case idol which is the toy). No!
     
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  5. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    I agree. I think the reason the Lord would frown upon *toys* is because of where the use of them would eventually lead. Such as, how many young men started out harmlessly looking at porn on the Internet. Soon had the drive to go even further, started looking at child porn, then wanted to know what it is actually felt like to be with a child. Then thier parents leave them alone with their baby sister one night.............
     
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    dayhiker Mature veteran

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    When I was younger I remember talking to some older men about this, and kids exploring their sexuality was going on when they were young, so I don't know that today's makes much difference in what kids do. I also was in a foriegn country where people were poor and families lived in 2 room homes. Which of course is most of the people in the world. He missionary commented on how much incest there was because of that.

    So it seem the more things change the more they remain the same. So with our bodies going thru puberty at an early age, I don't see young peoples desire for sex changing. No generation that I read about in history has avoided the situation young people find themselves in. So I don't have any answers that will get anyone to where we think they should be. But I am strong on teaching respect for each other. I also don't think its good to condemn people.
     
  7. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis De profundis clamavi et exaudisti me.

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    Still a virgin.

    Purity, however, well that's more problematic. And it has nothing to do with "pleasure toys", but all to do with the fact that each and every one of us came into this world not pure. That whole sin thing means we're all estranged from God, none of us is pure, none of us are righteous, all of us are sinful.

    However, in Christ, we have been clothed with the righteousness of God, we have been made just--justified--by the grace of God. Personal righteousness just, to put it bluntly, doesn't exist. You and I, in this lifetime, are never going to be pure, righteous, or holy based on our own works, our own actions. That's why we need Jesus, He saves us, He covers and clothes us with Himself and His righteousness, His purity, and declares us stainless, clean, and perfect before His Father by whom we have been adopted as heirs and children.

    In Christ you are perfect. But personal perfection--wholeness--will not be ours until Christ comes back and we are made whole at the resurrection.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  8. sniperelite7

    sniperelite7 Junior Member

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    Don't hug anyone of the opposite gender, because of the dangers that might lead too!

    No its not a virginity breaker, and lust must be harmful to another. Are you harming anyone(apart from the sensibilities of our more puritanical brethren)? No? Fine. Now if its controlling your life, thats a different story.
     
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    YEAH...those family reunions are just packed with sin! After all how many aunts and cousins are you forced to hug!! ;)

    I think I need to elaborate here. I am referring to where their thoughts are when they do this. As the scriptures say "Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
    I honestly believe that most sins and crimes are led to one step at a time.
    It all starts out with simply thinking about it. If a boy looks at the porn then allows himself to think on it - fantasize then willing take it a step further...then another step further, it could lead to sexual assault, the boys mind become more and more desensitized to the sin.
    This was actually the point I was making about the Virgin and the sex toys. If they are using the toys to satisfy a sexual fantasy, then in God's eyes, would he see her as a virgin?

    I really asked this question because I see where so many people come up with excuses for why a sin is not a sin. They try to conform the Bible to their lifestyles rather than conform their lifestyles the Bible.

    ♥ Now for any boys and girls reading this who have done things like this-I'm not trying to condemn or pass Judgment, here so don't go getting all defensive on me. Just asking for other Christian's input on the subject, that's all.♥
    **Beside, get all huffy with me and at that next family reunion, I'll make you kiss your great aunt Gertrude -twice!**:kiss:
     
  10. Willbyr

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    Virginity is a subjective and personal concept. I define the loss of one's virginity as when one knows what a sexual experience with another person feels like (yes, that means a survivor of abuse or rape is not a virgin, but they can still be pure since it was not their choice). Using toys or otherwise having non-standard sex still means you know about sexual experiences in that way, so you are no longer a virgin. Giving in to lustful thoughts can also make it harder to resist the next time, so even though it's only toys it should still be avoided.
     
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    It is an affair of the heart in our relationship with God and others. I have masterbated in my life so I not a virgin in the purest sense of the word. Technically I am a virgin because I did not have outright sex with a woman ever. At least others may define it this way. Nowadays and with God's grace I refrain from sexual fantasies though they seem to come upon me like an avalanche at times. And I avoid looking at women lustfully. It is all grace and cooperation with the Holy Spirit.

    Yet as mentioned before sexual energy is sexual energy... the human Libido is not being erased it is being replaced. Replaced with servitude, fellowship and intimacy with Jesus. Refraining is one part of the coin. The other side is what I have just mentioned.
     
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    This is a double post and my answer is in the other one.
     
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    Lustful thoughts? I think that perhaps you should specify. As their is a difference between fantasy and intent. One thing won't lead to another in the case of fantasy-and mystery is always a great way to increase ones obsession. My opinion-there is no harm in letting sexual thoughts run their course-as just thoughts. Where it true that sexual thoughts will always lead to sexual action-then I would have been unfaithful hundreds of times this year. Yet I am not.
     
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    Some like me must be more guarded. I have an addictive personality, some OCD. So I do not entertain those thoughts as much as possible. It is because I am little and God can strengthen and change me.
     
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    :)
     
  16. sorednax

    sorednax Champion of the 80's

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    I'm just curious how watching porn leads to child porn, which then leads to sexually abusing a child?

    Porn leads to more porn, no doubt, but it isn't going to make you interested in kids, samesex, beastiality, necrophilia, etc. Now, if you're already into those things that's another story.
     
  17. AHJE

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    Peace be to all,

    An authentic virgin is one who is so both outwardly and inwardly.

    Objectively speaking, masturbation is an intrinsically disordered act. If it is done knowingly and willfully it is a mortal sin.

    If one who WAS a virgin falls into such a malicious sin through self-abuse and impurity they have unfortunately violated the integrity of their virginity. And they need to repent and be reconciled to God.

    In the eyes of God, I do NOT believe they would receive the crown of virginity in Heaven. It is one thing to be tempted and to have an inclination to sin in that area. It is quite another thing to take delight and to willfully indulge in such sinfulness yourself.

    Jesus taught us, that Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God.

    God bless you all. :)

    BTW, Happy All Saints Day!!!
     
  18. Timyone

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    Still a virgin, yep
    (in saying that, the peice of skin, in many cultures is what is viewed as virginity and what they are worried about)
     
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    Still a virgin... but has sinned.
     
  20. Willie T

    Willie T St. Petersburg Vineyard

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    Istaly has a good point. You DID go out and purchase this device with an express use and purpose in mind. You didn't just happen to notice it lying beside you in bed one day.

    You do the math.
     
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