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Discussion in 'Singles (only*)' started by Zom, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. Jupiter Drops

    Jupiter Drops be like a flower and turn your face to the sun

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    Wait... what?

    Are you serious?


    So the parts about pollution, cheap labor, abuse, cheap quality goods, job losses, factories closing down on home ground... All these are false? Is that what you're getting at?

    If so, you really need to wake up.
     
  2. Toro

    Toro Crazy? I'll show you crazy.

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    No, its never cost effective.

    IF people knew what customer service meant (yes even in the mom and pop stores it lacks) or gave some other reason for the extra effort I would. A business does not deserve to thrive just because it is not a huge corporation.

    Besides this whole "AVOID BIG BUSINESS STORES" it stupid.
    Everyone ditches Walmart for a local store.... Walmart shuts down, millions are out of work, those workers that have been there forever lose their benefits.... while the store everyone shopped at grows bigger and becomes the new Walmart.

    It is a battle in futility, you topple one "king" a new one will only take its place.
     
  3. wannaberocker

    wannaberocker Newbie

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    Well your basic idea is that buying cheap products leads to companies moving more opperations overseas. Something you suggest leads to people losing jobs in the US.



    However, if you have ever tried to come up with an analysis for any size company from state to state. YOu know how difficult, time consuming, tedious, draining (financially and logistically) it is. So if moving operations from state to state is this complex, imagine how difficult it is to move operations to a foreign country is.



    If companies can help it, they try to stay state side. Most companies who do close their doors state side and move operations overseas are struggling companies. And lastly, we live in a competitive environment. That competitive environment exist between states even. Different states have different tax structures and different wage laws. That is why you have a lot of companies moving state to state. As states we compete with each other for business. We also compete on a global level. So instead of complaining that companies are moving jobs overseas, why dont we demand that our brain dead politicians try to make our economic environment more competitive with the rest of the world?
     
  4. Jupiter Drops

    Jupiter Drops be like a flower and turn your face to the sun

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    There were a number of ways which Wal-Mart could've improved their standards back in the nineties.

    They did little, and then went back to their regular routine.

    That's why it's a problem.

    Anyway, you just have to find another way to break the system, or go on with it with more improvement. But Wal-Mart hasn't been doing that for a while. Just eating a pile of cash.

    It's not like everyone will boycott Wal-Mart, though it did happen in few countries, and life went on okay for them.
     
  5. Jupiter Drops

    Jupiter Drops be like a flower and turn your face to the sun

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    K.


    Go and demand it instead of posting to me.

    Thread: Factories Move Abroad, as Does U.S. Power at Politics Debate Forum # 5 [Arc] (ThreadID: 582777)
     
  6. wannaberocker

    wannaberocker Newbie

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    Yup im very serious.



    Pollution= A very general term. A cow pooping is pollution also. Do people cause pollution? Heck yeah, i do and so do you. So the question becomes what do you wanna do about pollution? You wanna stop it? at what cost? at what rate? how are you measuring the cost benefit? Just saying things like "corporations cause pollution" means nothing and has no real economic meaning.



    Cheap Labor= well lets see Georgia has a min wage of $ 5.15 While Washington has a min wage of $9.04. If i live in Washington, i can find cheap labor in Georgia. But again saying "Cheap labor" is such a general term. So what if workers in Georgia are willing to work for 5.15 while workers in Washington will not work for a penny under $9.04?



    Abuse= Again a very general term that has no real economic meaning. I hear alot of people saying that workers are abused by big corporations. Yet, i wonder are workers being kidnapped and held against their will?



    Cheap quality good= well that’s pretty simple and basic. I play guitar and i buy guitars for myself. I know that if i want a nice guitar, i have to play alot of money for it. But when i was just beginning to play guitar, i got a cheap $100 guitar. The company that makes those $100 guitars provides a product that learning guitarist can afford and purchase. If there were only quality guitar manufacturers, what would the kid who was learning buy? I tell ya he wouldnt be able to buy a $2000 guitar. The same way cheaper goods provide consumers with the option. People can either buy the high end products or the cheaper products.



    Job Losses= Job losses are part of the economic environment. There has never been a period in economic history that was void of job losses. So i dont know what your argument is regarding job losses. Yes, if 2 bakers make cakes and one sells crappy cakes and one sells good cake. THe crappy cake selling baker is prob gonna be in the job loss line. What would you do about it? force people to buy his crappy cake, just so he could have a job?



    Factory closing down on home ground= Its called getting competitive. International business movement has been a part of the economic system since the time when rome was the center of the economic world. Societies learned to be competitive in business. Its about time the US learns to be competitive also.



    So lastly, i wont tell you to wake up. id just say study up on basic economics.
     
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  7. wannaberocker

    wannaberocker Newbie

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    You got to get specific. What improvements would you like to see and why?
     
  9. Jupiter Drops

    Jupiter Drops be like a flower and turn your face to the sun

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    No, I have no reason to debate with you over this issue, and I definitely don't want to circle around it with small talks. If what you think will bring the economy up, it should, right?

    If something must work, it's got to work.
     
  10. Calvinator

    Calvinator It's midnight and I'm sound asleep

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    I'm not a fan of the corporate business model, so yes, if it's a choice between an owner/proprietor type business or a limited partnership, offering the same service or product as a corporation then I'll likely avoid the corporation in favor of the former.

    The size of the company doesn't interest me. Mostly it's the lack of accountability that goes with the corporate model as opposed to other business models. If the decision makers in corporations do what is illegal or unethical and get sued, only the stockholders have to pay, not the persons making those immoral or unethical decisions.

    The other problem with the corporate model is that it's major stock holders are hidden from public view. I'm willing to bet that most of the major corporations of the world, especially the ones that have the most influence on society, are owned by the "too big to fail" banking interests, who receive the benefit of your money in the form of bailouts by the government printing press when they make bad decisions.
     
  11. ReeceWirefly

    ReeceWirefly I have no idea what I am doing

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    Hey if anyone wants to pay me 40 dollars for a baby hat, just let me know. Nevermind the fact that that is more the 3 hours of work pay for most people for something you can buy at the store for 5 dollars...
     
  12. wannaberocker

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    The economy is complex enough that one factor will not bring is up or crash it. But getting back to your main point about small business vs large corps. Both play a balanced part in the economy. Your point about small businesses being better for the economy was wrong.

    Anyways enjoy yourself.
     
  13. MehGuy

    MehGuy I am the actual ghost of saint Thérèse of Lisieux

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    No, I shop at Walmart.

    I have a discount card.

    That's why I don't care about the sweatshops.
     
  14. Jupiter Drops

    Jupiter Drops be like a flower and turn your face to the sun

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    In any case, thank you. And yes, pardon my ignorance.
     
  15. wannaberocker

    wannaberocker Newbie

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    No Problem, it happens to us all sometimes.
     
  16. Amber.ly

    Amber.ly Predictably eccentric and honestly hypocritical

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    I don't like shopping at independent stores. Less selection, less value, less convenience.

    Not that Wal-Mart is my favorite place either but at least when I go every 3 weeks I can get in and out quickly, they have everything I need and it won't cost me my kidney.

    These factors would change if I lived in a large city with a high density population but where I'm at, small businesses are kitchy places that overcharge and don't do anything for our local economy.

    On the other hand, small businesses can become large corporations which in turn provide jobs and tax revenue. So I think supporting a small business either by investing or buying is a good thing. But throwing money at them just because they are small is not my style.