In the new heavens and earth what will prevent the reoccurrence of sin?

[crossnote]

Will there be free will in heaven (or the new earth) and if so what will prevent sin's reoccurrence?

 

[tatteredsoul]

Life and resurrection.

The parable of the metals being purified is the best example. Life is the purification - the fire. It will burn you until all impurities are gone. Then, and only then, can you pull the piece of metal out and present it as finely polished and pure.

If you resurrect, you have been made pure by fire. There is no impurity in you.

 

[crossnote]

Life and resurrection.

The parable of the metals being purified is the best example. Life is the purification - the fire. It will burn you until all impurities are gone. Then, and only then, can you pull the piece of metal out and present it as finely polished and pure.

If you resurrect, you have been made pure by fire. There is no impurity in you.

So 'free will' will be reduced to His will?

 

[tatteredsoul]

So 'free will' will be reduced to His will?

It already is. We are living the illusion that it isnt.

Technically, any holy being already 100% flows God''s wi as a consequence of their holy free will. It Is A paradox.

Unholy, sinful beings do not get free will. They get a limited will, and thusly we see episodes and generations of predestination, prophecy and curses. We think we have free will to control our destinies - we really do - and it is extremely endearing and cute. But, the reality is free will is, at least in its contemporary form, an illusion and lie. It is an ideology that falsely promotes that an individual is in control of his or her own destiny, and if they "fail to get what they want," they are indeed failures. This is a dangerously incorrect mindset - one that has saturated Western and capitalist spcieties.

Adam gave up the right to be his own god. When he was perfect and a [image of] god, he would have submitted 100% to the Most High if he was holy. Since we are Adam''s children, we don't get to be our own gods either. Not until we resurrect (and, then we wi submit 100% as part of our free will.)

 

[Stillicidia]

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[Shempster]

I think that the "flesh" is the perfect vehicle for sin. IT is what Paul says is the problem in Romans.
Once we are rid of this body, we will not be subject to sin. And with Satan out of the way, there will just be no sin anywhere.

 

[Aijalon]

The New heaven and new earth are an image that represent the world of human activity and order, they are not a literal depiction of a new planet and sky. God uses material images to imply spiritual truths, like wheat harvest representing God's kingdom, or figs representing Israel. So when the New Jerusalem is paved by a street of pure gold, this is to mean that the spiritual city of Zion (symbolic spiritual place) is then representative of the spiritual condition on earth. Heaven's kingdom will have come to earth in such a way as to express the path of righteousness as a path of gold, rather than the "Narrow way".

It is a reversal of the roles of the harlot, and the woman in the wilderness, who are images of God's view of his creation in different spiritual time frames. The woman in the wilderness is the opressed city of Zion, hidden until the time of her redemption, and the death of her sister the harlot. The role reversal is played out in repetitive fashion in the later chapters of Revelation. Woman VS Woman, Kings VS Beasts..... The reversal is a transformation, carried out by the direct action of the literal man Christ, who has returned to earth. He will rule the earth with a rod of iron. This is to mean that the earth will be run and regulated by a perfect Theocracy.

Wheras Israel had corrupt kings, Christ will rule in perfected Imperial power and majesty. The result is righteousness, the disobedient and rebel will be....shall we say, obliterated.

Many novels are today depicting this event as some alien invasion, or the onset of tyrannical communism, or any other doomsday or dystopian scenario. Beware the delusion.

I also agree with some of the comments above. We must give away our free will, and do God's will. Jesus said he ONLY did the Father's will, as our best example. All free will's are subject to hell, and all wills subjected to him as slaves of Christ are eligible to inherit the kingdom of God. Do HIS will - or else.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Theosis.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Will there be free will in heaven (or the new earth) and if so what will prevent sin's reoccurrence?

My thought process on this has largely been akin to an analogy with our own growing up. There are many things we did as infants and very small children that, as we grew and matured into adulthood, we grew out of. As an infant I messed my diapers, but as I grew up that stopped being a problem. As a healthy, functioning adult that isn't something I still do.

We are not a mature people, we are a sinful people, infants and children; Christ is the only truly mature adult and our hope in Him, in the resurrection of the dead, is to be conformed unto Him, to be human even as the Lord Jesus is human. In the Age to Come sin won't be a problem not from a lack of will, but much in the same way that a healthy mature adult doesn't intentionally mess their pants like an infant does.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ClementofA]

What is incorruption?

 

[ClementofA]

"Paul’s core sentence, that “love never falls,” was so paramount for Origen that
he repeated it many times and based his argument on it also in Comm. in
Cant. prol. 2,45. Origen was probably also mindful of Clement’s claim that
“love does not allow one to sin” (Strom. 4,113,1)..." [p.170]

Ilaria Ramelli, The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis: A Critical Assessment from the New
Testament to Eriugena (Brill, 2013. 890 pp.)

http://www.worldcat.org/title/chris...-the-new-testament-to-eriugena/oclc/828140580

http://www.worldcat.org/title/chris...testament-to-eriugena/oclc/828140580/viewport

 

[Waterwerx]

So 'free will' will be reduced to His will?

We will be able to do whatever we want without being slaves to destruction or destructive behavior.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is incorruption?

As used in the New Testament? It means not able to decay. Greek: ἀφθαρσία (aphtharsia) the negative prefix a- and φθορά (phthora) meaning "decay"; thus literally "the state or condition of not-decaying" or "not able to decay". The resurrection of the body means the body is death-less and decay-less; it can neither die nor decay/be destroyed.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bookofjade]

Will there be free will in heaven (or the new earth) and if so what will prevent sin's reoccurrence?

Lack of polarities.

 

[ClementofA]

As used in the New Testament? It means not able to decay. Greek: ἀφθαρσία (aphtharsia) the negative prefix a- and φθορά (phthora) meaning "decay"; thus literally "the state or condition of not-decaying" or "not able to decay". The resurrection of the body means the body is death-less and decay-less; it can neither die nor decay/be destroyed.

-CryptoLutheran

Can the incorruptible become corrupted or sin?

 

[dysert]

1Co 15:51-57-> Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY." "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?" The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can the incorruptible become corrupted or sin?

In the resurrection the body is transformed from that which can die, perish, decay (etc) to what can't die, perish, decay (etc). By definition something that can't decay can't decay, so no it can't become corruptible. We read in St. Paul's letter to the Romans that because Christ is risen death can never touch Him,

"We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him." - Romans 6:9

Likewise with us at the resurrection.

The implication of life in the age to come is that sin will not be part of that reality whatsoever.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Can the incorruptible become corrupted or sin?

We used to be incorruptible before the fall, but not by nature, rather through participation in God's grace. Once that participation stopped, the corruptibility of human nature ceased to be kept at bay (I don't mean moral corruptibility, I mean capacity to suffer and die, this corruptibility was even a part of Christ's human nature).

 

[com7fy8]

Will there be free will in heaven (or the new earth) and if so what will prevent sin's reoccurrence?

God is more free than anyone, and He can not choose to do evil >

"God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." (in James 1:13)

And "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8 and in 1 John 4:16). And God does love, without being able to choose to do evil. So, you can have a free will which is incapable of sinning, and be able to love God. As much as we have the character of God's love, we can not sin. And 1 John 4:17 does say,

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, as God perfects us in His love, now, we become more and more "as He is" "in this world" . . . not in another life, but "in this world" > I understand . . . how His love in us changes us to become more and more incapable of sinning. We grow in this, by growing in Jesus (Galatians 4:19) who in our hearts shares with us His nature of how He is.

What is incorruption?

In God's love, now > Romans 5:5 > we more and more experience how God Himself is incorruptible. In His love we ourselves can enjoy this >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

In God's gentle and quiet love we have His almighty power, already, now, to keep us from being corrupted by lusts and bitterness and arguing and complaining. Philippians 2:14-16 says that by stopping our complaining and arguing we can "become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation".

Then is when we in our wills are truly free > free in Jesus, not free from Him so we can make our own choices in separation from God. It is so better to be "one spirit with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17) so our wills are in sharing with Him > "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

And this is now. In His love (Romans 5:5) we already are in Heaven's own gentle and quiet love which is incorruptible . . . now in us. And we grow in this love making us more and more like Jesus who is God and therefore incapable of sinning. Jesus in us shares this with us. Galatians 4:19

So, no . . . I would say that in Heaven we will be fully like Christ so we can not sin; therefore our wills will be free like Jesus is free. And so we need to prepare for this, now, by becoming and relating how His all-loving love has us become and relate >

Ephesians 4:31-32 Ephesians 5:2

And this comes with giving ourselves to the LORD, how He in us has us doing this > Philippians 2:12-13 > seeking our Father for His correction producing this > Hebrews 12:4-12.

While you are busy loving, how much are you thinking about sinning? While we are truly loving, it is easy to stay clear of anti-love things. And in God's love, now, it is so beautifully wonderful and we are with Him and one another in His family caring and sharing love. So, this is a sample now of how we will be.

 

[crossnote]

I think that the "flesh" is the perfect vehicle for sin. IT is what Paul says is the problem in Romans.
Once we are rid of this body, we will not be subject to sin. And with Satan out of the way, there will just be no sin anywhere.

But Lucifer had no 'flesh' and was created beautifully. The 'free will' he exercised in his rebellion would not be possible by us. Why?