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I was saddened by this article.

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by MoNiCa4316, Jun 9, 2011.

  1. MoNiCa4316

    MoNiCa4316 Totus Tuus

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    This is so bad for the Church. Lord have mercy! :crossrc: Honestly why are they calling themselves Catholic if they aren't even interested in Catholic teachings and what the Pope says! Catholicism is not a democracy. We follow Tradition, not the values of modern society. Christ is always the same, and dogma is always the same... no one will succeed in changing it. I feel sorry for these people but honestly they're just leading people astray. I'm glad the Church has at least been discouraging Catholics from going to this conference and telling priests not to attend.

    These are Catholics fighting Catholicism... don't we get enough opposition from outside the Church?

    Liberal Catholics pushing changes in the church to gather in Detroit | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

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  2. JoabAnias

    JoabAnias Steward of proportionality- I Cor 13:1, 1 Tim 3:15 Supporter

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  3. MoNiCa4316

    MoNiCa4316 Totus Tuus

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    Like Day and Night: Two Catholic Conferences in Detroit

    This weekend, there will be two major Catholic conferences in the Archdiocese of Detroit. Because I think the Detroit News coverage has been so patently slanted, I wanted to point out important differences between them.
    #1 – CALL TO HOLINESS

    The Call To Holiness Conference conference will be held on Saturday, June 11, at Burton Manor Conference Center in Livonia. Call To Holiness, which draws hundreds or thousands of participants each year, is one of the most dynamic events in the Catholic Church in the Archdiocese of Detroit.

    CTH features solid Catholic speakers who are in conformity with the teachings of the Catholic Church, including (among others):
    • Al Kresta, host of “Kresta In the Afternoon” on Ave Maria Radio
    • Jeff Cavins, founding host of EWTN’s “Life On the Rock” and Relevant Radio’s “Morning Air” and author of popular books on Catholic apologetics
    • Raymond de Souza, founder and director of the international apostolate St. Gabriel Media, host of a program on EWTN, progam director for Human Life International
    • Johnette Benkovic, founder and president of Living His Life Abundantly, a Catholic apostolate with outreaches in television, radio, print and internet communications, and founder of Women of Grace, a Catholic women’s apostolate
    • Fr. Clement Machado, S.O.L.T., who has served as parochial vicar in Montreal and as parochial administrator in Ottawa, and who now works with Vatican Radio in Rome.
    • Fr. Edmund McCaffrey, Ob.S.D., Ph.D., president Eternal Life, political scientist, scholar, writer, retreat master. Strong proponent of Marian devotion.
    Archbishop Vigneron has sent a message of welcome to Call To Holiness, saying,
    “It is a blessing for me to be able to greet all of you who are participating in the 13th annual Call To Holiness Conference, “Call to Fidelity: The Power of Truth.” This conference promises to be a powerful catalyst for growth in holiness and a deepened conviction about our need, particularly in these difficult times, to persevere in fidelity to Jesus Christ who is the truth incarnate. Please know of my prayers for all of you.”
    #2 – AMERICAN CATHOLIC COUNCIL


    The American Catholic Council meets June 10-12 at Cobo Hall. Declaring itself a “grassroots movement of Catholics,” the dissident group is releasing their own “Catholic Bill of Rights and Responsibilities” demanding, among other things:
    • Primacy of Conscience – Every Catholic has the right and responsibility to develop an informed conscience and to act in accord with it. (No need to follow the laws of the Church.)
    • Community – Every Catholic has the right and responsibility to participate in a Eucharistic community and the right to responsible pastoral care.
    • Freedom of Expression – Every Catholic has the right and responsibility to freedom of expression and the freedom to dissent.
    • Sacraments – Every Catholic has the right and responsibility to participate in the fullness of the liturgical and sacramental life of the Church. (No doubt, here again comes the “women’s ordination” canard, as well as priesthood for women, communion for divorced, etc.)
    • Reputation - Every Catholic has the right to a good name and to due process. (Hailing back to handling of the clergy abuse crisis.)
    • Governance - Every Catholic and every Catholic community has the right to a meaningful participation in decision making, including the selection of leaders. (They would like the community to elect pastors and bishops.)
    • Participation - Every Catholic has the right and responsibility to share in the interpretation of the Gospel and Church tradition. (So you get to decide what the scripture really means.)
    • Councils. Every Catholic has the right to intervene and speak in assemblies where diverse voices can be heard.
    • Social Justice. Every Catholic has the right and the responsibility to promote social justice in the world at large as well as within the structures of the Church.
    I think there is a church like that– It’s just not the Catholic Church.

    Speakers at the ACC Conference include:
    • Hans Kung, widely-recognized and highly controversial Swiss theologian/priest. The Vatican has rescinded his authority to teach Catholic theology, but he retains the title of “professor of ecumenical theology.”
    • Anthony Padovano, former Catholic priest, founder of CORPUS, now pastor of The Inclusive Community where Catholics and Protestants worship together
    • Jeanette Rodriguez, scholar whose work specializes in liberation theology (denounced by the Church), previous chair of Pax Christi, a peace group which advocates civil disobedience.
    • James Carroll, scholar-in-residence at Suffolk University, columnist for the Boston Globe. In a 2009 book, he denounced Pope Benedict XVI as “the chief sponsor of the new Catholic fundamentalism, enforced with no regard for the real cost to human beings.”
    • Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend, eldest daughter of Robert and Ethel Kennedy, vociferously pro-abortion former Lieut. Gov. of Maryland.
    • Joan Chittister, Benedictine nun, author and speaker. Outspoken advocate for women’s ordination, etc. Founder of Benetvision, which encourages spirituality through a feminist perspective.
    • Matthew Fox, former Dominican priest, now a member of the Episcopal church. Advocate for New Age “Creation Spirituality,” which is aligned with ecological and environmental movements and with a focus on “deep ecumenism” that embraces numerous spiritual traditions around the world, including Buddhism, Judaism, Sufism, and Native American teachings.
    Archbishop Vigneron has cautioned Catholics about this so-called “Catholic” group and has issued a strong warning to priests and deacons not to participate in their liturgy this weekend. He writes, in part:
    In order to fulfill my responsibilities, so clearly enunciated by the Second Vatican Council, of fostering of communion with both the local and the universal Church, I am compelled to caution any priests or deacons who may be considering participation in this liturgy. It is not being celebrated with my permission as required by the law and the good order of the People of God. Further, clergy should be aware of the impact of forbidden concelebration with those who are not in full communion (canons 908 and 1365). This is a serious delict, for which recourse to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is required, and which may result in dismissal from the clerical state (cf. Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela, 2001 and 2010).
     
  4. Vasallus

    Vasallus New Member

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    "Liberal Catholic" should be an oxymoron. Unfortunately it's not.
     
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    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    There is no such thing as liberal or conservative Catholic.

    You're Catholic or you aren't.

    You obey the Church & her teachings or you don't.

    If you don't...that speaks for itself.
     
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    JoabAnias Steward of proportionality- I Cor 13:1, 1 Tim 3:15 Supporter

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    I just read that and was about to link to it but see you beat me to it.
     
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    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    JoabAnias Steward of proportionality- I Cor 13:1, 1 Tim 3:15 Supporter

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    No, it is. Myopically so.
     
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    Dylan Michael Senior Veteran

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    Oh boy, it looks like there's going to be another "Catholic" church.
    Why don't they Join the Old Catholic Church and get over it.
     
  10. Gwendolyn

    Gwendolyn trying to figure things out

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    lol. Hans Kung would show up at something like that.

    Sigh.

    It is all very sad.
     
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    Dylan Michael Senior Veteran

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    I've been trying to figure that man out.
    So, he's Catholic, but he's a really liberal one?
     
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    Fantine Dona Quixote

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    Why do you find their gathering for a conference so threatening?

    Isn't a church with 1.6 billion members big enough for all of us?
     
  13. Enkil

    Enkil Guest

    Sure, if they actually believe in Catholic teaching. You can't just label yourself something when you don't believe in it. I can't call myself a Catholic Muslim Buddhist, now can I?
     
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    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    The Church is not big enough for those that decide what is & what is not valid as far as Catholic teaching goes. Either you follow it all or you don't.
     
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    MoonlessNight Fides et Ratio

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    Well, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they want to revitalize the Church in ways not contrary to tradition and scripture. Oh wait:

    It's always the exact same list of demands. And always so obsessed about sex.
     
  16. JoabAnias

    JoabAnias Steward of proportionality- I Cor 13:1, 1 Tim 3:15 Supporter

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    They are denied permission to do so in the name of the Church from the Arch Bishop.
     
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    JacktheCatholic Praise be to Jesus Christ. Now and forever.

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    Exactly. I pray these lost souls find their way back to the Good Shepherd because they are following Satan and that only leads to Hell. :crossrc:

    "Liberal"... indeed. :cool:
     
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    JacktheCatholic Praise be to Jesus Christ. Now and forever.

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    Catholics do not believe in a democratic church.

    Jesus is King and the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.

    If you want a democratic church then please join one of the many non denominational churches that are like Burger King where you can order it your way. It is not going to to be God's way but hey... what does that matter?

    YouTube - ‪Burger King - Have It Your Way Commercial‬‏
     
  19. VivaCristoRey

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    My priest said once that the Catholic Church is both one of the biggest religions and one of the smallest -- 1.6 billion people call themselves Catholic, but only a small number actually practice it. This is what the Holy Father has referred to when he said on multiple occasions that the Church must grow smaller but that it will grow more fervent. All these liberals and lukewarm and merely cultural Catholics (plenty of those in my extended family) will fall away.

    Do you really think that if there is a persecution, these liberals are going to go singing into the colesium? Are they going to hold fast to the Catholic Faith when that means spending years in jail being tortured? Most of them have abandoned the Catholic Faith in a time of relative peace! Are they going to even keep labeling themselves Catholic when it means certain death? It has been a common practice for the persecutors of the Church from the time of the Roman persecutions to the French Revolution to the Communists to try to get people to deny Christ under torture, to offer one pinch of incense to the gods, to walk on the Cross or spit on the Bible. These people already deny Christ daily, happily offer incense to the gods in the spirit of "ecumenism", walk on the Cross by attacking Christ and His Passion (such as the "search for the 'historical Jesus'" or denial of the reality of Hell and the fact that many people go there), and spit upon the Bible (called "textual criticism").

    How can these enemies of Christ be called Christians? They are "Catholic" in name only.
     
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    No.
     
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