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How The 'Deplorables' Can Save America

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For those who are serious about not allowing America to be further destroyed, here is a timely and well thought out article.

"It is important to recognize that only foolish progressives actually take Clinton’s claims at face value."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-28/how-deplorables-can-save-america


Exclusive: Trump supporters more likely to view blacks negatively - Reuters/Ipsos poll

Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites.

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32 percent of Trump supporters placed whites closer to the top level of "intelligence" than they did blacks

According to this poll, if I'm talking to two Trump supporters, the odds are good that at least one of them is a racist. That's very troubling, don't you think?

You will have to explain to me how the "deplorables", the uneducated racists mentioned by Hillary, and shown to be almost 50% of Trump's base by this poll [Hillary nailed it!], are going save anything, let alone America. These racist fools haven't been able to help themselves as they have fallen to the bottom of the social ladder, let alone help anyone else.
 
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the article said:
"It is important to recognize that only foolish progressives actually take Clinton’s claims at face value."
we're supposed to believe trump instead? not gonna happen...this man tells more lies than truths.
 
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According to this poll, if I'm talking to two Trump supporters, the odds are good that at least one of them is a racist. That's very troubling, don't you think?
What's troubling is that no one has polled the Black racists to balance out the picture. And polls are as much rigged as these rigged debates. Don't believe the polls since Reuters is presently gaming them to favor Clinton.
 
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So we can't take any good stuff Clinton says at face value, and presumably we shouldn't take the horrible promises Trump makes at face value either?

And anything good that media says about Clinton is just bias and not true, but this isn't the case for Trump?

Just making sure I get it...
 
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According to this poll, if I'm talking to two Trump supporters, the odds are good that at least one of them is a racist. That's very troubling, don't you think?

I'm reluctant to say it, but can you find a study that contradicts, the claims you say are racist? (Except the "lazy" one since that is subjective.) When I searched on the Internet, I found many studies that show blacks commit more crime than whites (even if that includes Hispanics) and that whites tend to score higher than blacks on IQ tests. Although it does seem that many of those tests are culturally specific. Stifling any discussion on the subjects by labeling it "racists" just glosses over the problems and doesn't lead to real solutions, that may actually help those who are by passed by society.
 
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What's troubling is that no one has polled the Black racists to balance out the picture. And polls are as much rigged as these rigged debates. Don't believe the polls since Reuters is presently gaming them to favor Clinton.

Nice strawman. We aren't talking about blacks, and we aren't talking about whites. We are talking about Trump supporters and that the Reuters poll found that nearly 1/2 are racists.

It appears you want to support the racist, and you know it's wrong. But instead of changing your stance, you create a strawman argument about blacks, then say the Reuter's poll is rigged, all so you can support the racist and feel justified in doing so. Does that sum up your position correctly?
 
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I'm reluctant to say it, but can you find a study that contradicts, the claims you say are racist? (Except the "lazy" one since that is subjective.) When I searched on the Internet, I found many studies that show blacks commit more crime than whites (even if that includes Hispanics) and that whites tend to score higher than blacks on IQ tests. Although it does seem that many of those tests are culturally specific. Stifling any discussion on the subjects by labeling it "racists" just glosses over the problems and doesn't lead to real solutions, that may actually help those who are by passed by society.

Another strawman. I wasn't talking about blacks, I wasn't talking about Hispanics, and I wasn't talking about whites. I was talking about Trump's supporters, and how the Reuter's poll shows that nearly 1/2 of are racists. Don't you find that troubling? (Just so you know, none of the other Christians who have replied to this think it's troubling in the least. Turns out a lot of Trump supporters think it's the blacks who are the racists and the bad ones, even though the poll shows it's almost 1/2 the Trump supporters. Just what would be expected.)
 
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What's troubling is that no one has polled the Black racists to balance out the picture. And polls are as much rigged as these rigged debates. Don't believe the polls since Reuters is presently gaming them to favor Clinton.

Hi job,

So, I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding your logical reasoning here. If 'polls are as much rigged as these rigged debates', then that begs a question concerning your evidence. How come your poll isn't similarly rigged?

Some, I believe, people whose job it is to have their fingers on the pulse of politics have made some very caustic claims as to Mr. Trump's 'fitness' to be president. USA today has broken a very long standing tradition in strongly claiming Trump to be unfit for the presidency. The Washington Post and the New York Times have made similar claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...449c20-8595-11e6-92c2-14b64f3d453f_story.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/

The most notable complaint that everyone who is against Mr. Trump makes, that I personally believe makes him unfit, is the fact that it seems that when his mouth is moving, he's lying. I mean, here we are, a people who are constantly complaining that our politicians are always lying to us, and now some are intending to vote into the highest office of the land, a man who has been proven over and over and over again to be likely one of the greatest liars of record. A man who foments hate and division among people more than anyone else of public office that I know. A man who, according to all research, has lost more of his own parties support than any party affiliated presidential candidate for at least the last 40 years.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/donald-trump-republican-opposition/index.html

Listen, everyone is free to vote for who they feel is the best person for the job, but I feel much like many of the republicans who have come out against him. For me, the.. man is not to be trusted. He has proven himself over and over again to be a consummate liar and just regularly lets his mouth get him in trouble. Those are both very, very dangerous habits for someone who represents our nation to the leaders of the rest of the world.

In his world, when he can't get people to agree with him, he just sues them in court or threatens to. In the international political arena, that's not an option. You can't sue foreign nationals in U.S. courts. Your cavalcade of attorneys won't be of much help to you in bullying people around. This report was filed by USA today:

An exclusive USA TODAY analysis of legal filings across the United States finds that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and his businesses have been involved in at least 3,500 legal actions in federal and state courts during the past three decades. That’s approximately one a day. They range from skirmishes with casino patrons to million-dollar real estate suits to personal defamation lawsuits.

The legal actions provide clues to the leadership style the billionaire businessman would bring to bear as commander in chief. He sometimes responds to even small disputes with overwhelming legal force. He doesn’t hesitate to deploy his wealth and legal firepower against adversaries with limited resources, such as homeowners. He sometimes refuses to pay real estate brokers, lawyers and other vendors.

As he campaigns, Trump often touts his skills as a negotiator. The analysis shows that lawsuits are one of his primary negotiating tools. He turns to litigation to distance himself from failing projects that relied on the Trump brand to secure investments. As USA TODAY previously reported, he also uses the legal system to haggle over his property tax bills. His companies have been involved in more than 100 tax disputes, and the New York State Department of Finance has obtained liens on Trump properties for unpaid tax bills at least three dozen times.

And despite his boasts on the campaign trail that he “never” settles lawsuits, for fear of encouraging more, he and his businesses have settled with plaintiffs in at least 100 cases reviewed by USA TODAY. Most involve people who say they were physically injured at Trump properties, with settlements that range as high as hundreds of thousands of dollars.


He's a bully! I think it's also worth noting what is said in this report about his fights over property taxes and the 'at least three dozen' liens that the State of New York has placed on many of his properties. The man just doesn't like to pony up his fair share. He refuses to pay people for work done. He's just overall a bully and a liar. 3,500 law suits! I challenge anyone to find any 'reputable' single person or corporation that can even come close to having been involved in 1 lawsuit/day over the last 30 years.

Now, a lot of this hasn't come to light much in the past because it was never something that the nation felt compelled to follow. After all, Mr. Trump was just a business man doing business and so long as you weren't personally involved in one of his actions, then it didn't mean much to the nation as a whole. If elected, he's going to be stepping into an entirely different world. One where his every nuance and gesture and word will be studied and researched.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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... If elected, he's going to be stepping into an entirely different world. One where his every nuance and gesture and word will be studied and researched.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

And this is why he is, imo, going to get slaughtered by foreign leaders. They have experience actually negotiating, and are *not* going to be intimidated by Trump. They will either bait him, so Trump goes off the deep end, looks like a fool, and is forced to back down to save face, or they will praise him publicly for his actions, say what a great negotiator he is, and what a great deal he swung for the USA, while in reality they will have taken Trump to the cleaners. Trump won't care, so long as he gets the public accolades, and foreign leaders will know this. Putin has already started to take advantage of this Trump trait.
 
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For those who are serious about not allowing America to be further destroyed, here is a timely and well thought out article.

"It is important to recognize that only foolish progressives actually take Clinton’s claims at face value."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-28/how-deplorables-can-save-america
The problem is, no one in America hates Americans quite as much as "the deplorables" do. So to expect them to "save America" is a little...unlikely. :sorry:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :)
 
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Hi jcord,

Yes, all of that. But, what really baffles me is how half the voting public sees this man as some sort of demagogue to be lauded and praised. I honestly just don't get it. Under normal circumstances I would have expected, as many apparently did in the beginning, that this man would be drummed out of the chase in short order. And yet, he still stands. Have we, as a nation, really become so wicked and unconscionable as to seek to glorify the likes of this man as our national leader?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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It appears you want to support the racist, and you know it's wrong. But instead of changing your stance, you create a strawman argument about blacks, then say the Reuter's poll is rigged, all so you can support the racist and feel justified in doing so. Does that sum up your position correctly?
No it does not. All these accusations about racists are baloney. You want to measure racism? Then make sure you cover white, black, brown, red, and yellow racism and present the actual numbers. That would be an eye-opener.

It is Obama's racism that has made race the issue. Before he came on the scene the race issue was more or less a non-issue. And let's not forget George Soros and his meddling which has brought about race riots. Where do these professional agitators, protesters, and thugs get the money to travel about the country creating chaos and attacking the police? So please check ALL the facts regarding the race card.
 
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No it does not. All these accusations about racists are baloney. You want to measure racism? Then make sure you cover white, black, brown, red, and yellow racism and present the actual numbers. That would be an eye-opener.
and beside the point, racism is racism.

It is Obama's racism that has made race the issue. Before he came on the scene the race issue was more or less a non-issue.
Only to some white people. :wave:

And let's not forget George Soros and his meddling which has brought about race riots.
Proof?

Where do these professional agitators, protesters, and thugs get the money to travel about the country creating chaos and attacking the police?
Bake sales? :scratch:

So please check ALL the facts regarding the race card.
sure thing. :sorry:
tulc(is always shocked thinking what the dissonance must be like in people who hold these sort of opinions) :eek:
 
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Another strawman. I wasn't talking about blacks, I wasn't talking about Hispanics, and I wasn't talking about whites. I was talking about Trump's supporters, and how the Reuter's poll shows that nearly 1/2 of are racists. Don't you find that troubling? (Just so you know, none of the other Christians who have replied to this think it's troubling in the least. Turns out a lot of Trump supporters think it's the blacks who are the racists and the bad ones, even though the poll shows it's almost 1/2 the Trump supporters. Just what would be expected.)

I'm still not sure I'm following you. First the poll doesn't say "nearly 1/2 of (sic) are racists". It says Trump supporters are more likely to view blacks negatively. The half figure you quote comes from the paragraph

Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites.

You fail to mention the next paragraph, below.

... Clinton backers also viewed blacks more critically than whites with regard to certain personality traits. Nearly one-third of Clinton supporters described blacks as more "violent" and "criminal" than whites, and one-quarter described them as more "lazy" than whites.

So really we are comparing nearly 1/2 to nearly 1/3, not a huge difference in the first place.

My original comments suggested that there might be some validity to these views, but are hard to discuss because one is quickly accused of racism. This isn't a "straw man argument". It directly goes to your OP.
 
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It is Obama's racism that has made race the issue. Before he came on the scene the race issue was more or less a non-issue.
Interesting
And let's not forget George Soros and his meddling which has brought about race riots.
Evidence?
 
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Elect Trump, stop future war with Russia, Elect Clinton, enjoy war cause that is exactly what will happen, and by the way America will lose that war.
Nice of you to join us komrade Putin.
 
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