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How many seals have been opened?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BigChrisfilm, Mar 14, 2006.

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  1. BigChrisfilm

    BigChrisfilm Contributor

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    Can someone tell me how many seals have already been opened? What in the world is happening right now that was told in the bible, for the end times? How do we know we are in the end times, according to what god said? Thanks.
     
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    Hi

    I would say this verse says it all

    4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    That's us running to and fro and knowledged has increased ...........................up to 200 years ago the world was pretty much unchanged for 1,000's of years.

    As for the seals I would say four seals have been opened.. the Seven trumpets/bowls happen during the fifth seal the sixth seal is jesus retrun.

    here is a link that explains the seals............well where Jesus explains the seals

    http://www.christianforums.com/t2353997-mathew-24-and-the-seven-seals.html&page=1
     
  3. BigChrisfilm

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    The sixith seal is not when Jesus returns, it is when Satan is revealed as the fake messiah, correct.
     
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    Well it is all how you look at it.

    the beast is shown as a fraud when jesus returns.

    The Sixth Seal happens after the Great Tribulation.

    12: And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13: And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

    Now Matt 24:

    29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    I would say it is very clear that during the sixth seal Jesus returns.
     
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    BarbB I stand with my brothers and sisters in Israel!

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    So, when does Satan come back then?
     
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    Hi Film

    When did he leave?

    It is the beast who is in the Pit not Satan.

    Rv 17:8: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:

    Satan or the devil roams the world free looking to devour

    1Pt:5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:



    Hi Barb

    See that is why we but heads so often you are wrong about so many things(smile) Your futurist view is not supported by scripture.
     
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    No seals yet, nor bowls.
     
  9. BigChrisfilm

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    Satan is supossed to take the form of the messiah, and decieve people into believing he is god right, so when does this happen?
     
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    In the future. At one point, he sits in the rebuilt temple, claiming he is God. Then all hell breaks loose.
     
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    where does it talk about this in the bible, anyone know? Thanks for the replys!
     
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    Hi Film

    It happens at the Fifth trumpet.

    The beast is in the Pit right!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The pit is opened here

    1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2: And he opened the bottomless pit;

    He can't really rise out of the pit until it is open ......CAN HE!!!!!!

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    So, Satan comes first, and that is all I need to know basically, just what ever I do, don't follow the first man who claims to be god.
     
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    No The beast comes first.

    Satan IS NOT the Beast. they are different beings.
     
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    But satan comes before Jesus, and you are saying that the beast comes before Satan, everyone thinks that the beast is god, and believe in him right?
     
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    No I am saying that the Beast IS NOT Satan.

    Look here is the beast

    20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

    He gets captured and sent to the Lake of fire...........................Then

    2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Then Satan is thrown in the Pit for 1000 years

    7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    See the devil is thrown in the Lake of Fire where the Beast and False prophet ALREADY are.

    They are not the same being.
     
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    So you are saying that the man of sin(Satan) will revel himself as the ruler of iraq?
     
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    And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    So then after the thousand years are up is when Satan will reveil himself to us, right?
     
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    No

    the Man of Sin is Not Satan.....he is the beast from the Pit and he is not really a Man.

    Lets try this

    Where is the Beast NOW according to scripture.
     
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