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Welcome to Christian Forums, One Steadfast.

The Scripture I lean on for all of the conditions cited is Micah 6:8,

"He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."

Edit: I think it is ironic that an Aspie is an NT specialist...!? [NT can mean New Testament or Neuro-Typical ;)] Also, check out my blogpost on Perfectionism.
 
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Asperger's hasn't helped my relationship in the least. In fact, I would say I have a relationship with Jesus Christ in spite of it rather than because of it. It pretty much kills any effort I make to be active in the church. Everything about Christianity ran against the grain of my most basic instincts until Jesus gave me a new heart. Now I just wish He'd give me a new brain, too.


I'm with you there. I'm still waiting for my new heart. I think it's growing in there as I've experienced attitude changes, but I too have found my issues to be at enmity with God in many ways. Unfortunately the interests that helped me get through life thus far don't seem to fit in with a Christian life. I've always self-medicated with drugs to help relate to people and deal with my anxiety in typical life situations. I've always needed some frivilous entertainment to pacify my excessive, crippling boredom and that usually takes the form of violent video games and vulgar TV shows/movies.

I also have this bad issue where my analyzing scripture seems to be one-sided in that I always somehow come to the conclusion that I am going to Hell. I try to believe in Christ and question what that really even means. I try to trust in Him but don't know if I know how or if I really even am. I see Christ's commandment "Love thy God with all thy heart.." and feel like there is just no way I can do that. I intellectualize everything and often feel like God despises that. Like I'm trying to earn salvation through works by just legalistically following rules because I'm afraid of Hell.
 
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Nah just the opposite actually. He's wayyy too big for me to handle.

I can't tell you how much I understand that feeling and I know how scary and overwhelming it is. I'm one of those people that have been on and off with God for years. That daunting feeling of how big and holy and demanding God is has sent me running many times, and I'm trying to not do it again because of what you are saying.

What I'm trying now is trying to focus on one thing at a time, one day at a time, one decision at a time. Don't look at all the rules at one time and say to yourself, I MUST do this, this and the other thing and better cut out this and that or God is gonna damn me to Hell.

Focus on Jesus. Don't worry about anything else for now. He has promised never to leave or forsake you. Just try to trust him. If you don;t know how, try your best and ask him to show you. And pray, pray and pray some more. You may get depressed for a little while as he shows you things He wants you to do differently. But just follow. Remember, Godly sorrow worketh repentance.

You may not be able to do it, but that's ok because HE can. I know that doesn't make much sense logically. Believe me I do. But you can be saved. The fact that you even are on a Christian message board shows that He is reaching out to you. Don't believe the lies.

The devil wants to throw you off any way he can. He knows exactly how to get to you. But Christ is WAY stronger and he got your back. Even if you can't "feel" God, don't worry about it. Don't worry about the Pentecostals. Not knocking them per se, but don't worry about what they say because you don't answer to them. Remember about what Our Lord said to the Pharisees about putting rules on people and making them do this and that because they said it was God's will. The Lord has rules, and He wants you to follow them don't get me wrong. But don't put the rules first and forget Jesus Christ. I'm trying to learn how to do that myself.

Read his word. Talk to Him. HE will tell you. Don't let anyone ever make you think you aren't good enough for God. No one is good enough for God. But that's why Jesus Christ suffered on that cross. He coulda destroyed the Romans with a power bigger than a thousand nuclear bombs. But He didn't. Why? For people not good enough like you and me (and all of us). Not for a religion. Not for a denomination. Not so you can slave under a pastor who may care more about outward acts than inward. But for you.
 
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Wow! That's cool! I am seeking hope for someone like myself who is on the spectrum. I have a passion for hurting people including at risk youth, people with mental illness, outcasts and those on the spectrum. I believe that my obsession with God's creation, nature, animals, beauty, culture, music, the arts, stories, and having mercy upon the little people has much to do with my condition. I appreciate God's creation and culture because of my being an aspie who loves God. People often wrongfully accuse me of being selfish for wanting such cherished things that are lovely and of good repute especially if I am concerned that I might not be able to afford the enjoyment of them (e.g. travel expenses to see a tropical beach that God made) My interests, that may appear worldly reflect my desire to know God and His ways. Yes, when I was younger I was more selfish about these interests, but I have grown in my relationship with God and I love beauty, romance (ethos love) and masterpieces that glorify God. I grieve, (but I cannot cry) because as an aspie I can see more of the particulars as to how this world is fallen vs. how life was like in the garden. I think the root sins Adam comitted were selfishness, distrust, pride, and fear. The world is rampant with hurting people with a blend of these sins longing for paradise, but not trusting God to give them access to their needs and heart's desires for belonging, beauty, pleasure, tenderness, respect, important work, being appreciated, being embraced, being valued etc. thereby turning to substitutes like matierial things and entertainment excessively. I'll admit that my love language is time, and is it any wonder that vacationing with my husband or friends is such a passion of mine. Being in God's presence surrounded by beauty and feeling loved is what we all long for. I feel like I have one foot in the world and one foot in the kingdom. It could be moreso that I can see where God's glory and the physical world converge hence my interests. All of my interests interestingly can be traced to God or a good thing that the bible applauds. In other words, my interests can all be used to glorify God. At the same time, I am socially stuck. I know that when I get unstuck, that will become my vision for helping others like myself. I am a problem solver, but I am currently unable to solve the problem of people who are on a plateau and not able to move up any higher with lack of options and good choices. Their lives are less than ideal, but they are doing their best. I am trying to come up with a ministry for outcasts like myself to get them unstuck, but first, I have to get myself unstuck. My calling and purpose are tied to both my interests and my struggles. I am still looking for people I can identify with to start a movement with to help us to have better access to opportunities for career growth or career change while giving them love, support and compassion and meeting their needs and helping them overcome their brokenness as I help them to become whole. I have the spiritual gift of Mercy, which I believe is attributed to my condition and experiences. I believe that God will overtake me with His grace in an amazing miraclous way. There is still something that is not clicking. I pray that I do have a eureka moment soon that will change my life for the better forever.
 
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... I have a passion for hurting people...[!?]
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:sorry: I know that isn't what you meant. It just hit me funny. Welcome to CF's ASD forum.
 
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Well, I have the typical limited and obsessive interests aspect. My only interests are fishing, billiards, and God/Church/Bible/Theology/History. I spend hours and hours and hours in bibles, books, prayer, studying, etc. Who knows if my interest in this would be so extreme otherwise, so that is a blessing.
 
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Welcome to Christian Forums, One Steadfast.

The Scripture I lean on for all of the conditions cited is Micah 6:8,

"He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."
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Edit: I think it is ironic that an Aspie is an NT specialist...!? [NT can mean New Testament or Neuro-Typical ;)] Also, check out my blogpost on Perfectionism.
In Briggs-Myers speak, it refers to iNtuitive/Thinking.
 
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I guess my obsession with traditions has helped me appreciate the church as a community institution and inspires me to work towards its preservation.
Also, Asperger's sort of causes me to be emotionally distant. That's not so great for my relationships, but it does mean people can come to me with their problems, and I'll listen calmly without responding emotionally and without making them think I'm judging them, which seems to be what people need sometimes when they're sad or stressed. I definitely feel blessed to be able to help people that way.
 
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I can't tell you how happy I am to be able to find what I've been looking for--fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are also Aspies!

I was so worried that there weren't many people like myself. For a while I thought that I could only be one or the other--either a Christian or an Aspie. Like somehow if I was going to be a Christian I had to "become neurotypical" and "cure" myself. It took me a while to realize that I didn't need to do that at all. But I was still a bit lonely. There are all these stereotypes about people like us, and one of them is that we're either atheists or "fundamentalists", because we're just "incapable" of anything else. Like we just don't belong in God's kingdom :(

But, as seems to be the case with me a lot, I was wrong. I am an Aspie, but more importantly I'm a Christian who just so happens to have Asperger's. Lately it's been hard to just accept my condition and move on--I've known about it for years, but I feel sometimes like there isn't anything else to me. But there is, and I just want to find it and let God use it however He needs to.

May God bless all of you! :thumbsup:

As to how my AS has helped me serve Christ, I'm not really sure yet. I know that my social skills are a bit...manageable, as in I can have a conversation if I really set my mind to it (although lately I haven't had many opportunities to do that), but I feel like my ability to write (I want to write stuff, maybe fiction or non-fiction, not really sure yet) plays a big part.

And if I need to be, I'd love to just be a bridge, metaphorically speaking (we Aspies know how to use metaphors, I don't see why people think we can't!). The Aspies of my generation are all addicted to nerdy things. Nothing wrong with being a bit of a nerd, but they're letting their whole lives run around it. And let's just say it's not going well for some of them.

They need Christ badly so that they can figure out that they have a REAL purpose in life, not just some hobby. Since I sort of know what it's like to think like them and feel for things the way they do (that most other people wouldn't care about), I feel like I'm in a position to reach them.

But I really just came to say thank you all so much for basically existing!:wave:

It took me a long time to figure out, but eventually God told me that I was never alone after all. He told me one night that He loved me in a strange sort of way...and because of that, I've finally been able to really love Him back. It's a wonderful feeling, to be free of all of the bitterness and hatred at the world. I want every Aspie to feel this way. I want them all to know that God loves them, even if the world can never really understand.
 
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And if I need to be, I'd love to just be a bridge, metaphorically speaking (we Aspies know how to use metaphors, I don't see why people think we can't!). The Aspies of my generation are all addicted to nerdy things. Nothing wrong with being a bit of a nerd, but they're letting their whole lives run around it. And let's just say it's not going well for some of them.

They need Christ badly so that they can figure out that they have a REAL purpose in life, not just some hobby. Since I sort of know what it's like to think like them and feel for things the way they do (that most other people wouldn't care about), I feel like I'm in a position to reach them...
I've joined, at least, one social group with that goal in mind. It isn't like I have a game plan. I just make myself available to the Holy Spirit and see what He might do.

One favorite thing is when somebody asks a question that the Bible speaks to, I'll just respond with a Scripture quote. The OP might bristle at this, but, even so, another reader might be blessed.

I take this stance from:

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 [Emphasis mine]

and

"As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,

so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:10, 11

While I am prepared to elaborate, I don't feel like I have to against contentious hecklers.
 
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That's good advice. Just plant the seed and let God water it, huh? I've done that a few times to all sorts of random Aspies I run into on the Internet. I'd like to really do more, though.
 
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Well, uh... Like a lot of people here, I think I have the same problems with church attendance that stem from the social aspect of it all. I do very well in Anglican-style churches because I like the structure (prayer book, hymn numbers listed, you always know what's going to happen next) and the quiet hymn style of singing (I have sensory issues like you wouldn't believe), but I disagree with enough points of their theology that I couldn't make it my home church.

My Aspie obsession is - and has been for 5 or 6 years now - learning languages. And apparently I'm good at it. I decided when I was 14 that God wouldn't have given me that obsession/gift if he didn't intend for me to use it, and next year I'm going to Bible college with a focus on Biblical languages.

Although it's not strictly an AS thing, my SID (Sensory Integration Disorder) plays a big part in my life, what I do and don't do. Part of this, I think, has effected my learning languages thing.

You see, a common problem which makes it difficult for normal people to learn languages is that the brain (I'm told) automatically processes sounds into familiar patterns. That's why people hearing a foreign language often "hear" words in their own language which simply aren't there. Because of my SID, my brain doesn't do that. I just hear a whole lot of sounds, there's nothing trying to make it immediately comprehensible.

I think that has helped me learning languages. Other wannabe polyglots have to find a way to cut through this not-so-helpful habit of the brain to get into the language - I'm there already. Because my brain doesn't process sensory input normally, I can 'hear' sounds than most peoples brains automatically filter out as 'not part of my language'. It's hard to explain how this works if you're not used to dealing with language-learners.

I could go on for ages about languages and how sensory integration issues have helped me in attempts to learn languages, but I probably shouldn't. I'll just finish up with one other point where I think having AS has maybe helped me in my walk with God.

Through Bible study, I've come to a number of conclusions that maybe run contrary to what mainstream society or even mainstream church expects, some with outward results (okay, it's headcovering, mostly). But I think, because I'm already different anyway, and don't fit in always because of the AS, what's another thing to make me different?

I think it's an AS thing to look at stuff objectively, and factually, and not get bogged down with the emotional implications of, say... a theological or doctrinal issue. My father and I can read a passage and say, "Oh, well, we need to stop doing [sth] because it's un-Biblical." and stop doing it. My mother, an NT, often can't implement these changes because she's too attached to whatever it is, she can't let go of the emotions to look at things rationally. I'm not saying we don't have emotions - you guys know that's not true - but I think people with AS can look at things rationally and logically better than a lot of NTs can.
 
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Welcome [Ewe/traveler],* :wave:
I can quickly abandon many such practices, too, unless they're part of a perseveration... :doh:

*One of my linguistic hobbies is onomastics. ;)
 
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Well, uh... Like a lot of people here, I think I have the same problems with church attendance that stem from the social aspect of it all. I do very well in Anglican-style churches because I like the structure (prayer book, hymn numbers listed, you always know what's going to happen next) and the quiet hymn style of singing (I have sensory issues like you wouldn't believe), but I disagree with enough points of their theology that I couldn't make it my home church.

My Aspie obsession is - and has been for 5 or 6 years now - learning languages. And apparently I'm good at it. I decided when I was 14 that God wouldn't have given me that obsession/gift if he didn't intend for me to use it, and next year I'm going to Bible college with a focus on Biblical languages.

Although it's not strictly an AS thing, my SID (Sensory Integration Disorder) plays a big part in my life, what I do and don't do. Part of this, I think, has effected my learning languages thing.

You see, a common problem which makes it difficult for normal people to learn languages is that the brain (I'm told) automatically processes sounds into familiar patterns. That's why people hearing a foreign language often "hear" words in their own language which simply aren't there. Because of my SID, my brain doesn't do that. I just hear a whole lot of sounds, there's nothing trying to make it immediately comprehensible.

I think that has helped me learning languages. Other wannabe polyglots have to find a way to cut through this not-so-helpful habit of the brain to get into the language - I'm there already. Because my brain doesn't process sensory input normally, I can 'hear' sounds than most peoples brains automatically filter out as 'not part of my language'. It's hard to explain how this works if you're not used to dealing with language-learners.

I could go on for ages about languages and how sensory integration issues have helped me in attempts to learn languages, but I probably shouldn't. I'll just finish up with one other point where I think having AS has maybe helped me in my walk with God.

Through Bible study, I've come to a number of conclusions that maybe run contrary to what mainstream society or even mainstream church expects, some with outward results (okay, it's headcovering, mostly). But I think, because I'm already different anyway, and don't fit in always because of the AS, what's another thing to make me different?

I think it's an AS thing to look at stuff objectively, and factually, and not get bogged down with the emotional implications of, say... a theological or doctrinal issue. My father and I can read a passage and say, "Oh, well, we need to stop doing [sth] because it's un-Biblical." and stop doing it. My mother, an NT, often can't implement these changes because she's too attached to whatever it is, she can't let go of the emotions to look at things rationally. I'm not saying we don't have emotions - you guys know that's not true - but I think people with AS can look at things rationally and logically better than a lot of NTs can.

Rachel, you're so lucky! My obsessions were all fleeting. Like I'd have one for just a few months or a year and then it would go away. And now I have like...NO OBSESSIONS. I've betrayed my kind! :eek::doh:

But I don't think your deal with languages is an AS thing. I have the same language learning difficulties as other people, where they hear something from their own language in a foreign language when it isn't there. So I'm not sure if it counts as an AS trait. I will say that I have been pretty good at piecing together slang, idioms, and the meanings of words (sometimes, though, I see a word written down before it's spoken, or I don't quite use it right). But Aspies are normally supposed to have trouble with slang due to literal thinking.

It's interesting what you say about the head-covering thing. Boy, do I have some news for you!

I got this book for Christmas called "Misreading Scripture through Western eyes". Since you're not a white, southern, American male like I am, you might get slightly less out of it, but it did have some very interesting ideas you should consider. Essentially, I found out that a lot of Christians in the West read the Bible the same way that we Aspies perceive society and the world around us. And so Westerners might miss out on things in the Bible that would have been understood implicitly in Jesus' culture, just like with how Aspies have trouble reading social cues. Come to think of it, I've seen a lot of "spiritual autism" lately, and sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't.

For one thing, Western culture is very individualistic. I was somewhat relieved to find out that even though as an Aspie I have tendency to look inward and be a bit self-centered (I prefer not making excuses about it or saying that having AS means I'm incapable of seeing the needs of others), Americans in general do that same thing! :doh: What a relief to know that everyone else around me is also selfish! :D So sometimes when you read a verse you might think it applies to YOU personally when it really is meant to convey a collective you (which is known as "y'all" in my culture, meaning "you all").

Another thing that I thought was an Asperger's trait but is actually a Western trait is this idea that a rule must apply to all people all the time. Sound familiar? So in the case of something like head-coverings, it isn't actually mean to be a precedent for Christian women everywhere. In Hebrew culture, it was understood that every human-based rule had exceptions, whereas something like prohibitions against sin certainly did not. It was confusing to read about, as a Westerner and an Aspie, but the book really helped. I'd recommend it to any Christian in the Anglosphere, but especially to my fellow Christian Aspies (I'm so glad I can actually say that! :groupray::hug:)
 
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