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How Do I Spiritualy Connect With The Holy Spirit?

Discussion in 'Deeper Fellowship' started by Cassielaven, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. Cassielaven

    Cassielaven Newbie

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    Hello everyone, I am a new member here, and I am not sure if I am posting in the right thread. I am absolutley embarrassed to ask such a question, but I really want to know. I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and I don't know how to do it. I have been trying for some time now, but I think I must be doing something wrong. How does it feel to be filled with the Holy Spirit? How do you know if you have been filled with the Holy Spirit? I am really curious. I am still trying to build up my relationship with God so I really need to know answers to my questions. I have a lot of things wrong with my (I think mentally and spiritually) and I think this is a good place to start. Thanks.
     
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  2. wayfaring man

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    Hi, and welcome,

    Suggest using a concordance and looking up the passages of Scripture which speak of The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost.

    Basically what they say, in part, is -

    1. Repent and believe on The Lord Jesus and be baptized in His Name.

    2. Humbly, respectfully ask your Heavenly Father for The Gift of The Spirit.

    3. Obey (best you can) what you understand to be The Lord's commandments.

    4. Be honest - for He Is also The Spirit of Truth.

    The Spirit manifests varying gifts, but consistently the same fruit. Study in Scripture - the gifts of The Spirit & the fruit of The Spirit.

    [We are known primarily by the kind of fruit which we bear.]

    It "feels like" God and Christ have taken up their abode within.

    Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. <-----> John 14:23

    May The Lord Be Pleased !

    wm
     
  3. Terene

    Terene Bondslave of Jesus Christ

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    Dear sister,

    There is no embarrassment in asking an honest question, and I thank God for your honesty and your sincerety in seeking Him. Just by having such a question and actively seeking for answers, you have already demonstrated that you have the Holy Spirit in you and is guiding you towards a desire to know the Lord and His will. I thank God for you because of this. So, a warm welcome to you into the Body of Christ!:hug:

    Just a question, are you baptized in water yet? This is the very first and important step after you have given your heart to Christ our Lord. He commanded us saying:

    (Mark 16:16)

    If you haven't yet immersed yourself in water to make public confession of your faith and identify yourself with the Lord's death, I advice that you do so with a brother in Christ or with a Church that conducts baptism by immersion (not sprinkling of water on your head).

    Then after this immersion, you can pray to the Lord to fill you with His Spirit each and everyday so that you may grow in the grace of the knowledge of Jesus Christ. All you have to do is to ask for the filling with an open and sincere heart, and God will do it.

    Dear sister, I have to remind you in the love of Christ, that being filled with the Spirit of God is not a feeling, nor is it visible. But if you are truly filled, you will slowly find yourself bearing the fruit of the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit is as such:

    You will see this fruit in your life in increasing proportions as you mature in Christ, this is the most evident mark that you have the Spirit of God in you. You may not see it immediately, but do not despair, because as long as your heart is trueful towards God and earnestly seeks Him (just like you are now), God will prune you and you will bear fruit for His Kingdom.

    Seeing that you are still a babe in Christ, I encourage you to maintain this honest and sincere heart of yours before God at all times, and not be discouraged by your failures and stumblings. Your humility and your earnest desire to know the Lord is also precious to our Lord, so keep that with you and hold on to this grace of God. Your heart is what really matters, because if your heart is right, God will be able to work in you and perfect your faith in the love of Christ.

    Put your entire trust in our wonderful God and do not let any anxieties or doubt overtake you, because it is Him who has bought us with His own blood. If He is willing to sacrifice so much to save us, He will surely not abandon us and leave us to our doom, especially when He knows that our heart yields to Him. There will be trials and tribulations, and at times you will stumble because you are still living inside the fleshly tent, but do not be discouraged, nor believe in the lies of the devil who will attack you on all sides, and have hope in God and His salvation. I exhort you in the love of Christ with the following words of the apostles:

    (1 John 4)

    Do write to me, sister, if you are in need of anything, and I will do my very best to give you advice and comfort. You are not alone in the battle, because God is always with you (whether you feel it or not), and we are also with you in Christ. Remember sister, that faith is not mere feelings, but that of a believing heart that loves and obeys the Lord.

    May the God of peace strengthen your faith and bless you with His immense love and mercy!
     
  4. Cassielaven

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    Thanks to everyone who had replied. I have been baptized I think seven years ago. The reason I said I have a lot of things going on mentally is because sometime in Feburary 2007, something went wrong with my mind. Like I didn't have control of thoughts that was coming in to my mind. I mean is was negative thought against God for no reason at all. I could be thinking about something are doing something as simple as watching tv, and the negative thoughts would just override my thoughts or things that I be doing and pop up in my head. It's scary and I don't know how to completely turn it off. This is why I need to connect with the Holy Spirit to help me.
     
  5. Cassielaven

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    Thanks tturt for the information. Sorry I couldn't reply to you through pm because I haven't post at least 15 posts in order for me to send messages yet. I haven't had the chance to read the url yet because I was gone most of the day. I know you are trying to help me out the best way you know how, and I sure do appreciate it. I am going to try to read some of it tonight though. Thanks a lot and have a bless night.
     
  6. wayfaring man

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    Cassie,

    There's likely a "reason", for this unpleasant change. You may have come into contact with someone or some medium which conveys an "anti-God" spirit.

    Pray and search your mind and memory to see if something/someone stands out, and then firmly determine to remove yourself from that influence, doing all you can to stay away from it. Asking for God's Help in Jesus' Name.

    If study and prayer don't seem sufficient you may find "prayer and fasting" helps.

    If unfamiliar, studying what Scripture says about it, and what others have experienced can help.

    Here's a link to the fasting forum here at CF. Fasting - Christian Forums

    May The Lord Be Pleased !

    wm
     
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    James 4:7
    Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


    2 Corinthians 10:5
    5. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


    Isaiah 26:3
    You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you.


    John 16:33
    I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
     
  8. Cassielaven

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    You know what Wayfaring Man, I haven't thought about me coming in contact with someone like that. I know I had went into deep depression in 2005 (still in depression). Losing a home in a flood, I was laid-off from my job, lost a good friend of mine in 2006, I was trying hard to get my life together, dropped out of college, lost another good friend of mine in 2008 to a murder/suicide. Just a whole lot of stuff going on. Than the negative/evil thoughts come along added on to my problems. I have never had thoughts like this ever in my life. It is awful. I never want to think like this, but it is so uncontrollable. It is like I have two minds, one I think on my own and the other I don't. You have brought up an idea that have not cross my mind. I think fasting maybe a good idea. Thanks a lot.
     
  9. Tim Myers

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    "I have been trying for some time now, but I think I must be doing something wrong."

    What is that makes you feel like the Spirit is not already in you??
     
  10. wayfaring man

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    Hi again Cassie,

    With the additional info, it sounds like the tempter opportunistically planted a sense of "blaming God", (while you were suffering from a series of hardships and difficulties), somewhere in your mind, perhaps even subconsciously, and you then began to agree with the tempter's "reasoning" which essentially blames or tries to make God look bad. And that gave the tempter a place to speak within.

    To find freedom, look to The Cross of Christ, and see there is where all the blame/fault/sin was laid, upon God's Innocent Son !

    Which reaffirms that God Is Love. And helps us to renounce and refute any thought or innuendo that suggests or implies that God should be blamed for the bad things that happen to us, or our loved ones.

    Suggest telling your Heavenly Father you're sorry for giving place to the tempter's lies, and ask for His Help to be cleansed and protected against all that still seeks to wrongly blame Him.

    Consider also The Book of Job, how he suffered, and had to endure much, but God came through for him, and raised him up so that he was even much better off than before !

    Fasting may still have a vital role.

    May The Lord Be Pleased to Help & Heal. For His Holy Name's Sake. Amen.

    wm
     
  11. Terene

    Terene Bondslave of Jesus Christ

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    Dear sister,

    I do not know all things, but I believe you may have a case of spiritual attack here. It could have been the result of the depression you've got and the series of other unfortunate events that happened around you and affected you.

    Apart from fasting, pray to the Lord about this and seek His deliverance. If evil thoughts enter into your mind, rebuke that thought in the Name of Jesus Christ and immerse yourself in the Word of God.

    I often have evil thoughts that sprung up in my mind as well, and I don't always know the source. But I think either it is from evil spirits or from my flesh. But no matter what the source is, I reject that thought and it goes away after a while.

    Just don't be discouraged or troubled, and trust in God's deliverance. He knows where the source is from, so the thing we ought to do is have a repentant heart and ask God for forgiveness always so that such thoughts can be put away and forgiven if indeed we have sinned in them.

    I'm praying for you sister. :prayer:
     
  12. Cassielaven

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    Again, thanks to those who replied. I agree with all those who replied as well. Thanks Wayfaring man for pointing that out. When these bad things started happening in my life, mainly when my friends died I started to blame myself. Than I angry and started blaming God for not interfering when I thought he needed to, but I never ever said anything hateful towards God. The thoughts do. To Tim, I really don't know if I have the spirit in me. I guess because when I see people in church they speak in tongues, the scream or shout, or they looked overwhelmed. The Christian friends that I do have can feel or hear the Holy Spirit speak to them. I never experienced any of those so that's what makes me feel like I don't have the spirit. To Terene, I think I could be under spiritual attack as well. Before I got baptized I felt like I was being choked in my sleep. I woke up out of my sleep, but I couldn't move or open my eyes. At first I thought I was suffocating from a sheet around my neck and I can't move to get it off of my neck. Than I heard an evil laugh and it scared me half to death. I thought in my head Jesus, Jesus, and it released my neck. I told my mother about it, and she prayed over me. After she prayed over me I heard one the drawers in my bedroom slammed shut. Nobody was home but me and my mom. Both of us was in a different room. Sorry for the long story. Thanks for the scriptures Singpeace.
     
  13. Terene

    Terene Bondslave of Jesus Christ

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    Dear sister, we all receive the Holy Spirit by faith in the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Not all speak in tongues, nor do all work miracles and heal, the Holy Spirit gives unto us different gifts according to the will of God, and we as His children ought to give Him praise and have faith in Him. I have never spoken in tongues, nor do I prophesy or heal, but I can see that the Lord does guide me through His Spirit in my daily life, though I do not always comprehend or know the way He wants me to go.

    Also, I must remind you that we ought to be careful, because as the apostles warned, not all spirits are from God. We must test the spirits with the Word of God diligently so we don't give heed to seducing spirits which deceive the masses through lying wonders. Deception will only wax greater and greater as the day of the Lord's coming approaches. It will do well that we take heed and put our entire trust in God and God alone, and not let any prophecy, works of miracles, or any supernatural happenings astonish us and make us waver in heart. Let our hearts be established in the faith, and we shall be able to stand in the day of trials, because the Lord alone is our salvation and rock.

    May our God bless you and all the brethren in Christ!
     
  14. wayfaring man

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    Agree largely with Terene's post above.

    Most everything which has value is counterfeited. And that includes "The Gift of The Holy Spirit".

    Tongues, falling over, and wild emotional displays can be easily brought on by any number of things.

    But Jesus said, "we will be known by our fruit", therefore the fruit of The Spirit reigning over "the works of the flesh" is surer evidence, than are apparent manifestations of "the gifts" of the Spirit.

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    <-----> Matthew 7:15-20

    This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
    For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
    But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Envying, murders, drunkenness, reveling, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
    And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
    If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
    <-----> Galatians 5:16-26

    Click on the follow links to also see - 1 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 12 & 1 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 13

    Now some will say that the believers in Acts took "speaking in tongues" as "proof" of The Holy Spirit's Presence.

    While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
    And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
    Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
    And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
    <-----> Acts 10:44-48

    Yet, we are wise to consider that this was, to a great extent, a reliable sign, because Peter evidently made no mention, or gave no display of "speaking in tongues" to those he preached The Gospel to, and since this "gift" was relatively new, as was preaching to the Gentiles, the "gift", spoke of God's/not man's doing. Whereas today, we see folks "coaching" and encouraging others to "speak in tongues", as evidence of receiving The Holy Spirit, and since there's a lot "riding on" receiving The Holy Spirit, this creates "peer pressure" and a type of coercion to "come up with a display of speaking in tongues".

    And again, some claim that whenever people were filled with God's Spirit, they spoke in "tongues", but this is not in agreement with "the full counsel of Scripture", for in 1st Corinthians Chapter 12 we are told, "not all share the same "gifts of The Spirit".

    Also of all the "gifts of The Spirit" - "tongues" is probably the easiest to imitate/fake/counterfeit, and is also perhaps the hardest to distinguish as being genuine...so if we are wise and prudent we look for the "fruit of The Spirit" reigning in/over "the works of the flesh", for confirmation.

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    Back to when you sensed some "blame" was directed towards God...This was a turning point for allowing Satan to establish a "foothold" in your mind. Pray for The Lord Jesus' Mercy, Grace & Truth to cleanse, cover, and strengthen you. And to defend against those "blaming thoughts" from troubling you any more, think on this - "If God is to blame for our evils, then God is against us, and if God is against us, there is no hope, for none is greater than God...But we are told by The Word of God to hope in Him ( Psalm 42:5+11 & 43:5) wherefore any thought or spirit which says or suggests God is to blame is a lie, which cannot be true, and is therefore not worth listening to...for The Giving of His Beloved Son Jesus for our sakes does boldly testify - that God is for us, not against us, and He is Willing that all of us be saved and come to the knowledge of The Truth !"

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    <-----> John 3:16+17


    I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
    For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
    For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
    Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
    .
    <-----> 1st Timothy 2:1-4

    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. <-----> 2nd Peter 3:9

    May The Truth of God's Word Cleanse Away and Free us from all evil. In Jesus' Name. Amen.

    wm
     
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    Also, tell your Heavenly Father you're sorry for "blaming Him", or going along with the idea of "blaming Him", and humbly ask to be granted repentance, so you can be freed from having such "blaming thoughts" plague your soul and spirit. And think on Jesus and His Testimony of God's undying Love. Then begin to give thanks, and if those thought try to "pop up" again, immediately give thanks and praise to God & Jesus that you don't have to listen to those "lies" any more. And the devil will flee, because he'll know by your praise and thanksgiving, (which is based on understanding the Truth of God's Word), that he's no longer welcome, nor able to fool/mislead you, in this matter. ( But he'll look for another way/angle to try again, which is why we need to "keep in God's Word" !)

    And May God, Jesus, and Their Holy Spirit Be Magnified in and by us !

    wm
     
  16. GraceIsLifeIsGrace

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    Hello and greetings greetings, Cassielaven...hey how goes life? I hope it's been improving...double-amen indeedy I do do do, I do oh YES YES YESSSSS Iiiii DDOOO!!
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    I feel for your difficulties, immensely. I especially feel for the difficulty you're going through of wanting so much to have a closer relationship with God (I'll call it a friendship with God) and to really know and, just, oh wow, FFEEEELLL it all over through and through inside, just like you've said you can see this in people you know. Those traits or behaviors you mentioned - speaking in tongues, being overwhelmed, screaming and shouting -- yes those are signs, or most likely anyway. Sometimes it's just really overly-active enthusiasm being dramatized, but usually (and I emphasize "usually"), it is exactly because of being filled with the Spirit that causes the enthusiasm and just lights it up on fire. It saddens me to see such a misunderstanding of this, but the simplicity of its essence is that joy of the Lord and joy of life that comes from God. What happens to it and how it is expressed from that simple essence and power, depends on the person...and sometimes the pastor and church.

    But very high levels of that enthusiasm are in no way bad or outlandish. The awesome majestic vastness and glory in God's power and the joyful enthusiasm He wants us to feel in life and for life, is truly amazing and majestic. And quite frankly, my own belief is that out there in the realm of day-to-day life at work and the grocery store and driving down the road and etc. etc., it's usually necessary to not let out all that bubbly enthusiasm. But in a church...oohhhh mmyyyy now that's a whole different story. Even having said that, I still believe there are some churches and services that go overboard, but only in how it just has that "obvious sound and feel" of being hyped up and dramatized by some of the humans involved. But the essence and glory and majesty and power of that joyful enthusiasm that comes from God, is so utterly pure and beautiful and holy, that if it could be painted white as it came out of peoples' mouths, even the slightest speck of dust would show on it, and it would make the walls and air molecules shine too brightly for our human eyes to look upon.

    Other manifestations such as being overwhelmed, bodily jerkings, so-called "fainting," can all be called forms of being Slain In The Spirit (I capitalize it because it's a descriptive phrase of a specific event authored by the Creator of the universe inside of a person He loves). This is a normal average regular part of the majesty and glory and power of God, all in the spirit and purpose of His love for us as people. It's for the physical body and physical mind to be overwhelmed and overpowered by the awesomeness of who and what He is, so that we may feel and know more of the presence and mind of God so that it will continue from those moments into regular day-to-day life tomorrow and the next day in whatever regard and purpose it has for the person at that particular time. Sometimes it is for a specific meaning and purpose, and sometimes it is overall and in-general simply for just "more of God" than what the person had before.

    When there is doubt about God's love and goodness, or frustration or anger or daily ongoing sadness or depression and such from life events like what you described in those tragedies, it is exactly that kind of sprituality and mentality going on inside that blocks out that free openness that God can move through to bestow in you, the enthusiasm and joy and happiness of life. So perhaps you are right about what has been so far (I emphasize "so far"), because there is certainly nothing wrong with seeing in others that which comes from God, and knowing and feeling inside yourself that something is missing and very wrong. That is, in fact, one perfect example of how God uses other people to minister Himself unto you. This wondering and contemplation you have is a blessing -- "a revealing" if you will -- intended to energize and enliven the yearning and conviction and courage to go for it. It is indeed a beautiful example of the right and good kind of "coveting."

    Not knowing what Bible verses you've been mulling over in your ordeal, I offer this one as encouragement....

    1 Corin 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    For your situation, I would venture to say the "temptation" would pertain to being peeved at God, or maybe just doubting His goodness and love...or maybe even your own self, self-worth and self-esteem, that kind of thing. My thought in sharing this verse though, is the immense difficulties as those tragedies just kept on a-coming like a really bad yucky Energizer Bunny, where what I was thinking of as the "common" part, is that many people experience tragedies. Granted, some peoples' tragedies are more often and harsher than other peoples', but the commonness still exists. Although I know full well that tragedies being common doesn't make the burden itself inside you any less difficult...it is, however, meant to give a vision and hope of supportiveness and not being alone and, say, "targeted by God," in some twisted perverse way, as some people think that God targets them for misery out of hate's sake.

    I will add one more thing to this though, because sometimes the results of those tragedies are not at all common, as what you described with the sheet and evil laugh and the occasional "second mind." Demonic manifestations and mentally-direct demonic influences are real...very...I know all too well from many experiences of helping friends through demonic possessions and being with them through horrific experiences (some of them with objects and also mirrors), as well as some of what could be called "less severe" things. I say this only to mean again, that I feel for you hugely immensely and my thoughts are with you because yes oh yes indeedy, demons and alive evil are real and mega-serious, and can make it hell to deal with day-to-day life (no pun intended). They need not be feared though, as long as there is faith towards Jesus which you exercised when the feeling and manifestation went away. Not feared, but also not ignored and not drawn away from in the sense of avoidance. Confronted, faced, and defeated...that's the ticket. But then the understanding and clarity of why and how they happen, is vital for their defeat.

    Know this: someone who is young and with neither, strong roots nor deep roots, but also "on the virge" of spiritual success and closeness with God as you are, while also dealing with tragedies and issues which cause distance to happen from God (thereby creating the yucky life-uncertain feelings inside), is someone with a mix that is perfect to Satan to try to ruin and devastate. I emphasize the word "try" because that's the boundary line between either of success or failure. And guess whose power and place of permission it is for determining that outcome? Yours...now ain't that just way way totally awesomely ccooollllll <*big huge ssmmiilleeeeee*> God's supernatural power, yes of course...but your place of permission and authority to choose for yourself as your own person to let God do what He mightily can....that is, as you grow in the understanding, and desire and yearning, and clarity.

    Also, I have one other thought but perhaps you've already contemplated this in your striving, or brought on by the message posts here already: do you have any unforgiveness towards God? Even if not, simply reflecting upon it in that way if you haven't already, can be hugely immensely helpful as additional perspective and appreciation of the processes inside.
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    And now to the main meat of my message posting to you, hoping greatly that this will help hugely wonderfully immensely in your quest of having more of God and being closer with Him in friendship and fellowship. The power and beauty and specialness in these verses has been absolutely wonderful for me.

    How little the term "child of God" is truly contemplated and reflected on to grasp and really FEEL its majestic depth with relation to what is supposed to be never-ending learning and expanding and transforming into more and more of the new man as the old man is put away. It is this childlike attitude and mentality towards God and this awesomely wonderful thing called L-I-F-E, which opens the door to more and more keys of more and more doors of the Kingdom Of Heaven. There's too much attention on only the beginning of becoming a Christian in where this childlikeness pertains, because it is supposed to persist through one's entire life. This is not the opposite of putting away childish things as we grow and mature, and it isn't the opposite of moving on from baby's milk to the more meatish things of God's Word. It is this childlikeness which is a type of door for keeping alive the joy and happiness and enthusiasm of being a person and just being alive with Jesus at one's side and center. But with relation to learning and absorbing more of God's truth, it is the childlike attitude and mentality which keeps the door of learning open to Him who is our Father and Teacher, always wanting and desiring more. Like water and food that surpasses all value and worth of physical food.

    It is this childlike humbleness that should stay alive in the heart and mind while you go through your day, because then during life's daily circumstances, the openness remains for God's food of clarity and comprehension and insight to happen, as well as the water of refreshing drink for the harder stressful circumstances. Which, many times, also translates into understanding and/or forgiveness and/or patience for stuff regarding other people on the road as we drive or at work or at a store or wherever else you'd go. Keep the childlike humbleness towards God alive and working through the day, each hour and each minute, and you'll find that this "praying without ceasing" really does have a different kind of meaning than being on your knees beside your bed or in a church pew or folding your hands at the table or whatever else, because that's essentially what it is: a prayerful humble heart throughout the day towards God. To pray without ceasing...such an awesomely powerful concept.

    Which, by the way, will keep you always drawn near unto God, which of course will keep the enemy fleeing far far away. Well, mostly anyway, because of course there are the difficulties and such that are just a part of life's testings and growth times......but you know what I mean.

    The adultish attitudes of the world of already knowing the truth and no I don't have to care about yet more real sensitivity or caring unto real truth than I already have, are the attitudes which will be brought to naught and burned in the refiner's fire, and in fact they already are because they do not result in true wisdom or comprehension or clarity. Even churches and Christians which have adultish attitudes for various aspects of truth and the Bible. Never ever let that happen to yourself, to let yourself have an adultish mindset of not needing to learn or understand any more about something, because even when a truth's fullness is in your mind in certain ways, there will always always be *something* about it that is yet to be learned and understood, always *something* for you personally that will be a washing and watering unto more of the new man of Christ being resurrected within for yourself as a person.

    (Matt 18:3-4) And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. [4] Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

    Matt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

    (Luke 9:48) And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

    (Psa 10:17) LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:

    (Prov 12:15) The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

    (Prov 15:8) The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

    (Isa 57:15) For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    (Luke 14:11) For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

    (James 4:10) Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

    (Psa 22:26) The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

    (Psa 25:9) The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.

    (Psa 69:32) The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God.

    (Psa 86:1) A Prayer of David. Bow down thine ear, O LORD, hear me: for I am poor and needy.

    (Psa 138:6) Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.

    (Psa 149:4) For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.

    (Prov 3:34) Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
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  17. GraceIsLifeIsGrace

    GraceIsLifeIsGrace SoftGraceForLife

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    ...and now continued with Part 2...

    With relation to spiritual and reflective studying, think of "broken spirit" as the opposite of adultishly prideful, in the non-broken "put together" way. For this principle of seeking after understanding and comprehension that comes from God, never ever let yourself be "not broken" so much that you cut yourself off from learning and absorbing more from the spiritual presence of God inside. Because when you believe yourself to be "put together" in that adultish non-child way, that's when the learning and increasing stops.

    [Psa 51:17] The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

    [Psa 34:18-19] The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. [19] Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
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    This childlike attitude is vital because of the spiritual nature of God, and it is because of this that a way-too-large portion of Christendom is in sad sad sad shape. As time goes on, look around and see around you as I let God move within me when I was a young boy...never ever let this happen to you, never allow yourself to stop focusing on the invisible spirituality and caringness of God inside you and never ever let yourself pay attention less to that spiritual presence of Jesus inside you than the physically-tangible world around you. Never...at least, regarding the learning of truth and wisdom and caring sensitivity. Sigh...tisk-tisk how so many Christians are uncaring about why so many people dislike churches and God and the Bible.

    (John 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    (2 Corin 3:17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    (Psa 51:12) Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

    ............hint-hint Cassielaven: the freedom you yearn for from the mental and emotional circus that torments you. Keep this childlikeness going inside towards God to let His Spirit feed and water you, and it is that freedom that you will will will one day soon KNOW and feel and rejoice in.
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    These next verses are what I think of as The Power to all this...it is the Holy Spirit that does the teaching inside one's mind, through the spirit, from the heart (or something like that). The people we encounter and life-circumstances and such are vessels and tools that carry it. That which is of the flesh -- physically-tangible and visible and touchable and smellable -- is used as vessels and tools for the message of understanding and feeling and comprehension that is delivered by that which is of the Spirit. I apologize if this sounds simplistic or rejecting of God's importance on people as teachers and influencers, but I'm referring to what makes, to what creates, to what finalizes, understanding and clarity to be real in one's mind, regardless of the person or people involved. And it is the childlike humbleness towards God as you go through your day which will define what you believe and how you feel inside your being with both, just your own thoughts and memories and reflections by yourself, as well as circumstances with other people who say and do things for you to see and hear.

    It is for this reason -- of God being *the* Teacher by His spiritual presence -- that it is of the utmost vital importance to always always always keep the childlike humbleness towards God going inside, that this manner of reflection and prayerful thought and such simply just *be* the natural normal average way that a person is. But actually, no it's not just learning and instructioin of what's commonly thought to be learning truth about God or the Bible or the world or whatever. But also the truth about one's own self, by letting the humbleness and open honesty and such just pervade up from within ourselves...by this we learn a vital aspect of friendship and trust and trustworthiness that is supposed to have an awesome impact on how we feel about ourselves and also interacting with each other.

    (John 14:26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    [John 15:26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    [John 16:13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    1 Corin 2:10-12 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. [11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    1 Thes 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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    There is one more group of Scriptures I was going to share here as a list from Nave's Topical Bible, but with how long this message is already, I decided not to because that list would have added 280 more lines to this message. Besides, since it was just a list copied from a commonly-available resource, I can just tell it to you.

    It's the topic of "Afflictions And Adversities," and is absolutely awesomeeeeee for encouragement and support. If you have some extra money and don't already have one, get a Nave's Topical Bible. To me, it is like a bible of the Bible, in alphabetical order, organized with sub-topics where appropriate, and with a wealth of pertinent Scriptures in each topic (except where there aren't many that would pertain), and also lots of interesting topics that you wouldn't think to be called "a topic." Also, the verses for each topic are mostly in the Bible text form from the actual Bible, instead of just the book-chap-verse reference form. In the more recent 2nd edition or whatever it'd be (some several years ago), there's an index at the end that lists every single Bible verse and the pages that the verse is on, meaning which topics it's in.

    If you're not able to afford one and don't already have it, then you can do a Google search and you'll find several websites that have the Nave's. The topic of "Afflictions And Adversities" is extensive and really does have an awesomely wonderful wealth of food to feast on. There are also some really good free Bible programs -- my favorites are e-Sword (www e-sword net), Bible Explorer (www bible-explorer com), and Theophilos (www theophilos sk), in that order, although I don't use Theophilos for study and gathering of Scriptures, I only use it for some of the add-in writings that people have made available for the program that are a pretty nifty blessing. I had to leave out the periods of those addresses because I don't have enough posts yet for including links. I use free programs not because I'm cheap or unappreciative, but because there are a couple people I help & all extra money from each paycheck is used, leaving me with less than $5 at the end of every pay period but sometimes having to ask my landlords if I can delay part of a rent payment until my next check.....anyway, sorry for getting off-topic a tad there, those are really good Bible programs if you don't already have one, or even if you do......

    ...just have the childlike humbleness going inside for openness to God, and it'll be awesome to feel that upliftingly bright spirit of love and encouragement bring you to tears of joy, and most importantly, relief of an end soon coming you can personally know and feel through your being inside. Here's an image to paint in your mind...Satan would like us to stay like grass when it's stepped on and squished down when he attacks and makes life hard, heck even worse than that unto turning brown and just staying dead through daily life, feeling empty and unsatisfied and just plain blahhhhh, or haughty and arrogant which is still being dead.

    But God wants us to bounce back to LLIIFFEE as though the grass was never stepped on in the first place.....in its own kind of way, the past forgotten, not lived or real anymore, except in memories so as to never repeat the past (hence the old man is crucified & the new man in Christ is resurrected unto LIFE so that that part of us which was not yet living inside ourself, is now finally made alive and can live inside as part of our person through daily life YYEEAHHHHH!!!)......BOUNCE IT BACK BACK BACK......BOUNCE IT BACK YEAHHH!!!!

    .....and that is what can most life-rejuvenatingly and life-empoweringly be thought of as the PPOOWWEERR OOFF TTHHEE BBBLLLOOOODDDD......YEAH BABY YEAHHHH!!!!!
     
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    If, my Friend, you have asked the Holy Spirit to fill you up and accept the fact that He is, in His time, within YOUR growth. Remember, please, that it's all about HIS agenda, OK? Go somewhere and find someone to help out. Anyone will do. There is a Divine Appointment awaiting you, I promise. Put some feet, in other words, to your new and budding faith. God has plans for you. Go find them, for in THEM lie the Holy Spirit, waiting to fill you up.

    I am assured of this.

    GodSpeed
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    Thanks everyone. I feel a little better about letting my secret and shame out to people I don't know. I do feel I have to apologize to God for blaming him than and now for all the bad things that goes on in my life. I do talk to him everyday though. Some day I hope to hear him speak to me. I laughed to myself when I was listening to the book of Jonah through my "Now Bible" and somewhat I can relate to Jonah. I am just going to continue praying and hope for a break through. Thanks guys.
     
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    I have just always asked, the first time I felt Him, I was prayed with and then after that, I just asked for It to be sent to me. It's hard to explain what it feels like, but for me, it's like a sense of peacefulness coming over you and I get warm like I'm being hugged and I feel really calm like nothing can make me upset at that moment or if I was upset, I calm down right away.