Holy Family?

[JustHisKid]

Does Catholicism teach that Jesus is God or that He is the Son of Mary and the Father, thus creating a Holy Family in heaven?

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Since Jesus is both God and a Man - because He is God we can say He was first (before becoming Man) the Son of God, begotten not made and eternally proceeds from the Father.

Because He is Man, He is has a mother, so proper to call Him the Son of Mary. Saint Joseph served as His human father, so that human family (Jesus, Mary and Joseph) can properly be and are called the Holy Family. They would properly be called that in this life and the next (though no doubt human relationships are different in Heaven).

 

[JustHisKid]

Since Jesus is both God and a Man - because He is God we can say He was first (before becoming Man) the Son of God, begotten not made and eternally proceeds from the Father.

Because He is Man, He is has a mother, so proper to call Him the Son of Mary. Saint Joseph served as His human father, so that human family (Jesus, Mary and Joseph) can properly be and are called the Holy Family. They would properly be called that in this life and the next (though no doubt human relationships are different in Heaven).

Are you suggesting that Mary is Jesus' mother in heaven even though He is God?

 

[DrBubbaLove]

He also remains a human and humans have mothers. Our relationships/loves do not end with this life. So yes, Mary remains His Mother.

 

[JustHisKid]

He also remains a human and humans have mothers. Our relationships/loves do not end with this life. So yes, Mary remains His Mother.

How is that possible since she is 100% human and not deity at all. Jesus did come to the earth in human form but He was always still 100% God. Mary is only human.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Mary is only human. Her only Son is much more than just a form of man, He is really a Man. Mary's very real son (not a "form" or manifestation of a son) is both God and human. Correct, Mary is not a deity but she a real mother, and He is Her very real Son. She is also considered the spiritual Mother of the Church, fitting as She was the first to say yes to and had the most intimate personal relationship with Jesus.

 

[JustHisKid]

Mary is only human. Her only Son is much more than just a form of man, He is really a Man. Mary's very real son (not a "form" or manifestation of a son) is both God and human. Correct, Mary is not a deity but she a real mother, and He is Her very real Son. She is also considered the spiritual Mother of the Church, fitting as She was the first to say yes to and had the most intimate personal relationship with Jesus.

Yes, Mary was a real mother on earth, but in heaven, she could have no place as a human mother to a deity.

 

[brinny]

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[JustHisKid]

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[brinny]

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i'm reading for now...will comment later.

Thank you kindly.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Yes, Mary was a real mother on earth, but in heaven, she could have no place as a human mother to a deity.

Again, Jesus is both God and a real man. As a real man He has a Mother, who is with Him now. The Man God became still lives, as does His Mother and all the Saints in Heaven.

If we are getting to the title Mother of God, it is not a proclamation of Her as a deity - it is proclamation of Who He is, Who the Man she gave birth to is, IOW God. God is eternal, so it would be odd to think of Him being created/born. It is not odd to consider the woman who gave birth to a Man who is God as being the Mother of God. In this context it is acknowledging that that Jesus is God, so Mary is the Mother of God(Jesus).

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Do you not believe God became Man- born of a virgin named Mary?

 

[JustHisKid]

Again, Jesus is both God and a real man. As a real man He has a Mother, who is with Him now. The Man God became still lives, as does His Mother and all the Saints in Heaven.

Explain how Mary, being fully human, can be a mother in heaven to a deity. Are you suggesting she is mother to his humanness but not his deity?

If we are getting to the title Mother of God, it is not a proclamation of Her as a deity - it is proclamation of Who He is, Who the Man she gave birth to is, IOW God. God is eternal, so it would be odd to think of Him being created/born. It is not odd to consider the woman who gave birth to a Man who is God as being the Mother of God. In this context it is acknowledging that that Jesus is God, so Mary is the Mother of God(Jesus).

It's not necessary to give Mary a title to know who God is. She in fact is not the mother of God, but the mother of the man Jesus. She is not the mother to a deity.

 

[JustHisKid]

Do you not believe God became Man- born of a virgin named Mary?

Yes, as taught in Scripture, of course. I am asking about heaven, not earth. Is it the Catholic position that Mary is truly 'wed' to God the Father and their Son is Jesus? I have heard that this is the Catholic position and one reason they hold the belief she never consummated her marriage to Joseph because it was have been adultery.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

She gave birth to Man who is both God and human. Not sure what more there is to say. That same Man she gave birth to was put to death and resurrected (human body and soul), rose and is Heaven. He is God and He is Mary's Son. His Mother Mary joined Him at the end of her life. Am not sure why anyone would think it un-necessary to properly give someone a title in order for people to recognize Who Her Son is.

It helps humans establish relationships. The mother of a king (regardless of her birth right) is properly called the Queen or Queen Mother, not because of something she did other than giving birth to the kind. And it is actually honoring the King (not his mother) to show his mother respect. In fact if He honored his mother, the king would also show her some respect as his mother (because we should all honor our parents) and expect others to honor her as well (because of who he is). Since we recognize these things in human relationships and both Jesus and Mary are humans, am unclear why proper human behavior becomes "un-necessary" when we talk about Jesus.

 

[brinny]

She gave birth to Man who is both God and human. Not sure what more there is to say. That same Man she gave birth to was put to death and resurrected (human body and soul), rose and is Heaven. He is God and He is Mary's Son. His Mother Mary joined Him at the end of her life. Am not sure why anyone would think it un-necessary to properly give someone a title in order for people to recognize Who Her Son is.

It helps humans establish relationships. The mother of a king (regardless of her birth right) is properly called the Queen or Queen Mother, not because of something she did other than giving birth to the kind. And it is actually honoring the King (not his mother) to show his mother respect. In fact if He honored his mother, the king would also show her some respect as his mother (because we should all honor our parents) and expect others to honor her as well (because of who he is). Since we recognize these things in human relationships and both Jesus and Mary are humans, am unclear why proper human behavior becomes "un-necessary" when we talk about Jesus.

Who is Mary's king if she is the queen of heaven? Who is her king (husband)?

Thank you kindly.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Yes, as taught in Scripture, of course. I am asking about heaven, not earth. Is it the Catholic position that Mary is truly 'wed' to God the Father and their Son is Jesus? I have heard that this is the Catholic position and one reason they hold the belief she never consummated her marriage to Joseph because it was have been adultery.

Tradition has it that Joseph married Mary because it was the right thing to do (her protection). He was elderly, a widower with a family and had no intention of consummating that marriage, especially since he knew she had vowed herself, her life to God. That is the tradition anyway.

Have never heard a Catholic speak of Mary as wed to the Father. I can imagine Jack Chick claiming we do in his cartoon tracts. In a sense all believers are considered, as a part of the Church, the Bride of Christ - His Gift from the Father. As such it would be most odd to view who is essentially the first Christian (Mary) as wed to the groom's Father. But that is the nightmare world Jack Chick likes to portray as Roman Catholic.

We humans have a human King in Heaven. Being a human, He has a mother. Her name is Mary and she is with Him. He is God and our King. I think even the angel's greeting to Her acknowledges to us Mary deserves our respect because of Who Her Son is. So yes, we honor Her as we do all Saints, more so because of Her Son. As is proper for any human, She would no doubt be honored by Her Son, so it makes sense the "bride" would do so as well.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Who is Mary's king if she is the queen of heaven? Who is her king (husband)?

Thank you kindly.

She is a human. She is considered Queen of Heaven because She is in Heaven with Her Son, who is King. The King's Mother is properly called a Queen. The title used by Catholics is not teaching marital relationships in Heaven of a "Divine family" - in fact we have some scriptural suggestion and speculation that the human concept of marriage are not a part of the next life. Again, the Holy Family always refers to Jesus, Mary and Joseph. So it would be rather silly to suggest we honor the Holy Family or Mary by claiming God is wed to Mary instead of Joseph.

Even in this life the title of Queen does not require that person to have a husband. The mother of the King is Queen until he marries, and even then she becomes the Queen Mother holding a place of honor because of who her son is.

 

[JustHisKid]

She gave birth to Man who is both God and human. Not sure what more there is to say. That same Man she gave birth to was put to death and resurrected (human body and soul), rose and is Heaven. He is God and He is Mary's Son. His Mother Mary joined Him at the end of her life. Am not sure why anyone would think it un-necessary to properly give someone a title in order for people to recognize Who Her Son is.

There is a lot more to say. A human cannot be a mother to a deity in heaven. First, there is no indication we retain our familial relationships in heaven. Secondly, a human cannot be a "parent" to a deity in heaven or anywhere. Explain how a human can be a parent to a deity IN HEAVEN.

 

[brinny]

She is a human. She is considered Queen of Heaven because She is in Heaven with Her Son, who is King. The King's Mother is properly called a Queen. The title used by Catholics is not teaching marital relationships in Heaven of a "Divine family" - in fact we have some scriptural suggestion and speculation that the human concept of marriage are not a part of the next life. Again, the Holy Family always refers to Jesus, Mary and Joseph. So it would be rather silly to suggest we honor the Holy Family or Mary by claiming God is wed to Mary instead of Joseph.

Even in this life the title of Queen does not require that person to have a husband. The mother of the King is Queen until he marries, and even then she becomes the Queen Mother holding a place of honor because of who her son is.

If she is queen of heaven, surely there is a king, is there not? And if she is queen of heaven, and is Jesus' mother, that means He would be a prince, would it not?

If so, who is the king?