Is there any historical evidence of Jesus Christ? Certainly there would be something or someone that mentions him when he was alive, if he was alive.
Is there any historical evidence of Jesus Christ? Certainly there would be something or someone that mentions him when he was alive, if he was alive.
I have read that site. Most people try to use people such as Pliny the younger, Celsus, and Josephus. The problem is none of them existed when Jesus did. Jesus was born in about 4bc and died around 40ad. Josephus was born in 37ad. He would have been 3 years old when Jesus died. A 3 year old can't document a person or write anything. Historical evidence can't exist if people didn't exist during the time Jesus did. Otherwise, people such as Celsus and Pliny the younger, would have had to rely on someone elses writings.
I have read that site. Most people try to use people such as Pliny the younger, Celsus, and Josephus. The problem is none of them existed when Jesus did. Jesus was born in about 4bc and died around 40ad. Josephus was born in 37ad. He would have been 3 years old when Jesus died. A 3 year old can't document a person or write anything. Historical evidence can't exist if people didn't exist during the time Jesus did. Otherwise, people such as Celsus and Pliny the younger, would have had to rely on someone elses writings.
Is there any historical evidence of Jesus Christ? Certainly there would be something or someone that mentions him when he was alive, if he was alive.
Well, I believe that some accept at least some of the gospels to be written by the traditional authors and Paul, who I think no one doubts wrote the Pauline letters, claimed to have met the resurrected Jesus on the road to Damascus.
Also, Dawkins DID admit that Jesus probably DID exist in a debate with John Lennox.
Have you heard of Paul, who wrote the epistles? OK so Jesus wasn't alive at the time he wrote them. But Paul knew Jesus' brother. I think that ought to count for something. You can't have a brother if you never existed.Is there any historical evidence of Jesus Christ? Certainly there would be something or someone that mentions him when he was alive, if he was alive.
If one is to have any way of knowing if Jesus from the Bible existed, then there has to be some kind of resources or documents outside of the Bible. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible right. If Jesus went around, preaching all the time, preforming miracles, and suffered a terrible death, wouldn't any writer or author that saw him, not write about him? You mean that no one wrote a piece about the miracles Jesus performed? No one wrote about him making the blind man see? How many people did he do that in front of? This would have been supernatural. Certainly there are sources outside of the Bible that have written about things he did, or anything about him.
What is the Bible but a compilation of independent sources? You obviously already know this, but the Bible did not fall from the sky. A bunch of Christians took independent sources and put them together in one binding.
And your trusting that everything these people picked is legit? There is so much messed up stuff in the Bible its insane.
And your trusting that everything these people picked is legit? There is so much messed up stuff in the Bible its insane.
I have no interest in proving the Bible right. This is not using the Bible to prove the Bible right. I'm giving you historical evidence that a real live walking, talking, breathing historical Jesus did in fact exist. The evidence is that Paul knew Jesus' own brother. I hope you aren't ignoring this; you haven't responded to it. You just keep building up doubt based on arguments from ignorance.If one is to have any way of knowing if Jesus from the Bible existed, then there has to be some kind of resources or documents outside of the Bible. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible right. If Jesus went around, preaching all the time, preforming miracles, and suffered a terrible death, wouldn't any writer or author that saw him, not write about him? You mean that no one wrote a piece about the miracles Jesus performed? No one wrote about him making the blind man see? How many people did he do that in front of? This would have been supernatural. Certainly there are sources outside of the Bible that have written about things he did, or anything about him.
How many authors do you think we're writing that kind of document in Judea in ad 30? (Clue: zero that we know of). And even if such a text were written it would not have survived unless it were in the possession of someone determined to preserve it.If one is to have any way of knowing if Jesus from the Bible existed, then there has to be some kind of resources or documents outside of the Bible. You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible right. If Jesus went around, preaching all the time, preforming miracles, and suffered a terrible death, wouldn't any writer or author that saw him, not write about him? You mean that no one wrote a piece about the miracles Jesus performed? No one wrote about him making the blind man see? How many people did he do that in front of? This would have been supernatural. Certainly there are sources outside of the Bible that have written about things he did, or anything about him.
I apologize to anyone who feels I'm not responding. I just check back here after a few hours. I don't really believe anything in the Bible in the first place. There is alot of stuff that is a complete abomination. My thoughts were, if I can find any kind of historical evidence on Jesus, it would prove that Jesus existed. I'm under the influence that the New Testament should never have been put with the Old Testament because the OT makes God look worse than Hitler. But if I can prove to myself that Jesus existed, then I can at least have the understanding that he existed. The Talmud actually mentions him and is said to have been using sorcery to perform is miracles, which seems to help me a little.