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14-12 Have The Promises To Abraham Been Fulfilled?

The New Testament presents the promises to Abraham as being the Old Testament version of the Gospel (Gal. 3:8). The New Testament begins with the statement that the Lord Jesus is the seed of Abraham (Mt. 1:1). Preterism and various denominations hold that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled in his lifetime and in the subsequent blessing of Israel his seed. This is indeed the case- but there are significant reasons to believe that these fulfilments were only partial fulfilments and not the only fulfillment. The words of promise came to Abraham as prophecy, prophetic words spoken forth from God. There was a simple way to check out the credentials of a prophet: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him" (Dt. 18:22). But how could this be, if prophets spoke of things to be fulfilled well beyond their lifetimes? My suggestion is therefore that all prophecies had an initial, primary fulfillment, which was visible in their own lifetime; and these primary fulfilments were the reassurance that the ultimate fulfillment would surely come. Abraham's a classic case; and the promises to David about a "son" and the Kingdom of that son were fulfilled to a limited extent in Solomon, although the New Testament makes it clear that their main fulfillment was to be in Jesus. So all the arguments that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled have merit so far as they go. But there's no evidence presented that these were the only possible fulfilments of those promises.


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The children of Abraham? (Romans 4:12-16; 8:1-4; 9:6-9, 11, 22-25, 30-31; 10:1-3, 12, 20-21; 11:5, 7, 11, 22-23; 15:8-9; Galatians 3:2, 5-14, 16-18, 22-29; 4:22-31)

Amen.

All those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church are spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28) and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).

If even those who are "strangers" in Israel can inherit the land of Israel (Ezekiel 47:21-23), then certainly believing Gentiles, who are "no more strangers" to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19), will inherit the land of Israel, during the future millennium of Revelation 20:4-6. And they will inherit the land and all the other promises given to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19, Ephesians 3:6, Galatians 3:29, Genesis 12:7) along with all the elect Jews who have ever been saved in the past, or who will get saved in our future, including at Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:25-32).

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THUS ALL ISRAEL WILL SAVED! (Romans 11:25-26; Ephesians 3:4-6, 9-11; Romans 9:6-9)

In Romans 11:25, the Gentiles are genetic Gentiles, the people addressed throughout Romans 11:13-31, who aren't genetic Jews like Paul (Romans 11:1,14). Both individual genetic Jewish believers (natural branches) and individual genetic Gentile believers (engrafted wild branches) are branches in the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24). For when Gentiles become believers they "come in" (Romans 11:25) to be part of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29). The fruit of each individual branch would be the good works of each individual (Colossians 1:10). It's the genetic Jews who are "blind in part", meaning that some of them are spiritually blind while others aren't (Romans 11:7-10). For "blindness in part is happened to Israel" (Romans 11:25), in its genetic sense (Romans 11:1,14), that is, genetic Jews (Acts 22:3). Also, in Romans 11:25-26, "Israel" includes elect genetic Jews who aren't yet believers (Romans 11:28), but will become believers eventually (Romans 11:26).

When Paul says "until the fulness (pleroma) of the Gentiles be come in" (Romans 11:25), he means until a full number of genetic Gentile individuals have become saved, which won't happen until near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), just as Luke 21:24 shows that "the times of the Gentiles" won't be "fulfilled (pleroo)" until the completion of the treading down of Jerusalem during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 11:2b, Revelation 13:5-18) during the 2nd half of the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-30), all the still-living unsaved elect genetic Jews will become saved (Romans 11:26-28) by God's grace when they see the returned Jesus in person and believe in him (Zechariah 12:10-14). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, just as when genetic Jews believe in Jesus now they become part of the church, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

And the genetic Jews who will become believers at the 2nd coming will all become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit, who is "the spirit of grace and of supplications" in Zechariah 12:10 (Hebrews 10:29c, Romans 8:26), just as genetic Jewish believers today become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit. For it's by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit that both genetic Jewish believers and genetic Gentile believers become part of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13).

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THUS ALL ISRAEL WILL SAVED! (Romans 11:25-26; Ephesians 3:4-6, 9-11; Romans 9:6-9)

All genetic Jews are part of genetic Israel (Romans 9:3-5). But being part of the true, spiritual Israel, the true, spiritual seed of Abraham, the promised seed, isn't based on genetics (Romans 9:6-24), but on God's election (Romans 9:11), which includes both some Jews and some Gentiles (Romans 9:24).

All believing Jews and all believing Gentiles are part of the true Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 11:17,24, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10, John 10:16), the seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:28-29, Romans 4:16-17), the promised seed, just as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28). And so all Gentiles in the church, along with all Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Romans 15:27).

In Romans 9:8, by "the children of the flesh", Paul means genetic Jews, who are the genetic children of Abraham (Romans 11:1, Acts 13:26, John 8:37). And by "the children of God"/"the children of the promise", Paul means the elect, both some Jews and some Gentiles (Romans 9:24, Galatians 4:28). Romans 9:6-8 means that not all Jews are elect (John 8:37-47, John 10:26) and that some Gentiles are elect (Romans 9:24, John 10:16, John 11:52). Only a remnant of genetic Israel is elect (Romans 9:27).
 
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14-12 Have The Promises To Abraham Been Fulfilled?

The New Testament presents the promises to Abraham as being the Old Testament version of the Gospel (Gal. 3:8). The New Testament begins with the statement that the Lord Jesus is the seed of Abraham (Mt. 1:1). Preterism and various denominations hold that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled in his lifetime and in the subsequent blessing of Israel his seed. This is indeed the case- but there are significant reasons to believe that these fulfilments were only partial fulfilments and not the only fulfillment. The words of promise came to Abraham as prophecy, prophetic words spoken forth from God. There was a simple way to check out the credentials of a prophet: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him" (Dt. 18:22). But how could this be, if prophets spoke of things to be fulfilled well beyond their lifetimes? My suggestion is therefore that all prophecies had an initial, primary fulfillment, which was visible in their own lifetime; and these primary fulfilments were the reassurance that the ultimate fulfillment would surely come. Abraham's a classic case; and the promises to David about a "son" and the Kingdom of that son were fulfilled to a limited extent in Solomon, although the New Testament makes it clear that their main fulfillment was to be in Jesus. So all the arguments that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled have merit so far as they go. But there's no evidence presented that these were the only possible fulfilments of those promises.

Abraham was invited to walk around the land of Canaan, in faith that this land would one day be personally his for ever. He therefore lived as a stranger and foreigner in it: "By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed to go out unto a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he became a sojourner in the land of promise, as in a land not his own, dwelling in tents, with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for the city which hath the foundations, whose builder and maker is God" (Heb. 11:8-10). Note the language of inheritance, being "heirs". Something was promised which they didn't then receive. Heb. 11:13,14 are crystal clear: "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own". "Not having received the promises" seems more than clear. Acts 7:5 says the same: "[God] gave [Abraham] none inheritance in [the land], no, not so much as to set his foot on: and [yet] he promised that he would give it to him in possession". But God keeps His promises, and Heb. 11:39,40 explains how this will happen: "These all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise, God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect". The receiving of the promise would occur when all the faithful receive it together, at the same time. Receiving the promise is paralleled with being "made perfect". This will happen when all the faithful together, at the same time, enter into God's Kingdom at Christ's return. "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats . . . Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world . . . And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Mt. 25:31,32,34,46). The sheep go into the Kingdom together, at the same time. The sheep haven't yet been separated from the goats, the wheat and weeds are growing together until judgment day. Mt. 7:21,22 likewise speak of entering into the Kingdom at judgment day: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".

Whatever primary application these passages may have had to AD70, the Kingdom of God is clearly not fully established- for "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Cor. 15:50). The Kingdom will be fully established at Christ's return. The image vision of Daniel 2 makes this clear. When human history has run its course, then the stone comes to earth and establishes the eternal Kingdom of God upon earth. Thus Paul speaks of "the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom" (2 Tim. 4:1). In this sense, the Kingdom of God is the "inheritance" of the believers. It's not fully in our possession now- we are "heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him" (James 2:5). Sinners "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Gal. 5:21). This language of inheritance goes back to the promises to Abraham and his children of eternal inheritance of the earth. Those promises haven't yet been fulfilled- we will all receive them together, at the same time (Heb, 11:39,40) when we are "made perfect". When we read that "For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2 Pet. 1:10-11), this is language which could've been used to Abraham; for the promises to him were in essence saying the same. The entrance into the Kingdom is yet future. This is "that blessed hope" of which Paul writes; the whole language of "hope" which fills the New Testament is hard to understand if the hope has already been fulfilled. As we know and see all around us, "the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only so, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For by hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth? But if we hope for that which we see not, then do we with patience wait for it" (Rom. 8:22-25). Patiently waiting for what we so hope for... this isn't the language of promises of the Kingdom which have already been fulfilled.

Whilst some aspects of the promises to Abraham were fulfilled, a closer reflection reveals that not all of them were fulfilled completely:

1. The promised land was from the "river of Egypt [the Nile] to the Euphrates" (Gen. 15:18). The nation of Israel never occupied this complete territory.
2. Abraham personally was promised the land for ever (Gen. 13:15- to you and to your seed, for ever). This personal promise has never been fulfilled (Acts 7:5; Heb. 11:8,13). The land which Abraham personally walked through was to be his for ever (Gen. 13:17). "To you and to your seed... for ever" occurs again in Gen. 17:8. It was promised to Abraham personally, as his personal eternal inheritance.

3. Joshua brought about an initial fulfillment of the promises but not a full one, "For if Jesus [Joshua] had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God" (Heb. 4:8,9).

If the promises to Abraham have already been fulfilled, then a few worrying and sad deductions present themselves:

- Seeing Abraham didn't receive the fulfillment of the promises in his lifetime, either God doesn't keep His promises and the whole basis of the Gospel isn't secure at all, or he received them somehow at his death. This latter view not only contradicts the New Testament statements that Abraham hadn't received what God promised him [at least by the time the New Testament was written], but also supposes conscious survival of death. This is contrary to Bible teaching as I've tried to outline in chapter 4 of "Bible Basics".

- If the promises have been fulfilled in the experience of believers today, then "If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all men most pitiable" (1 Cor. 15:19). But Paul goes on in that context to reason that the Christian hope is of the resurrection of the body at Christ's return, and inheritance of the Kingdom then.

Have The Promises To Abraham Been Fulfilled?

You are twisting Scripture to try to make it mean what you want it to mean. If God makes a promise He keeps it. He never said that Abraham would see his seed number the sands of the sea physically. But spiritually, Abraham saw many things.
John 8:56 says: "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." He knew Jesus before Jesus was born. So you can't say that God's promises were not fulfilled to Abraham. Maybe it was after Abraham's death, but He saw Jesus. I'm sure he knew, because of his great faith, that God's promises were being fulfilled.
 
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You are twisting Scripture to try to make it mean what you want it to mean. If God makes a promise He keeps it. He never said that Abraham would see his seed number the sands of the sea physically. But spiritually, Abraham saw many things.
John 8:56 says: "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." He knew Jesus before Jesus was born. So you can't say that God's promises were not fulfilled to Abraham.
There's no need to twist scripture! Here's why you're missing what is to be understood:

1. Abraham's descendants are those who are of the faith of Abraham! Romans 4:16-18;
16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
17 (as it is written, &#8220;A father of many nations have I made you&#8221;) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.
18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, &#8220;So shall your descendants be.&#8221;


Paul makes this point again in Galatians 3:26-28
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham&#8217;s descendants, heirs according to promise.


So nothing's twisted...you just have to read all of scripture. Believers in Christ whether Jew or Gentile ARE DESCENDANTS of Abraham!

The Abrahamic Covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Why do you think Jesus said to the Pharisees "Abraham rejoiced to see my day and was glad"? (John 8:56)
 
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You are twisting Scripture to try to make it mean what you want it to mean. If God makes a promise He keeps it. He never said that Abraham would see his seed number the sands of the sea physically. But spiritually, Abraham saw many things.
John 8:56 says: "Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad." He knew Jesus before Jesus was born. So you can't say that God's promises were not fulfilled to Abraham. Maybe it was after Abraham's death, but He saw Jesus. I'm sure he knew, because of his great faith, that God's promises were being fulfilled.

Deut. 10:22!
 
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In Romans 11:25, the Gentiles are genetic Gentiles, the people addressed throughout Romans 11:13-31, who aren't genetic Jews like Paul (Romans 11:1,14). Both individual genetic Jewish believers (natural branches) and individual genetic Gentile believers (engrafted wild branches) are branches in the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24). For when Gentiles become believers they "come in" (Romans 11:25) to be part of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29). The fruit of each individual branch would be the good works of each individual (Colossians 1:10). It's the genetic Jews who are "blind in part", meaning that some of them are spiritually blind while others aren't (Romans 11:7-10). For "blindness in part is happened to Israel" (Romans 11:25), in its genetic sense (Romans 11:1,14), that is, genetic Jews (Acts 22:3). Also, in Romans 11:25-26, "Israel" includes elect genetic Jews who aren't yet believers (Romans 11:28), but will become believers eventually (Romans 11:26).

When Paul says "until the fulness (pleroma) of the Gentiles be come in" (Romans 11:25), he means until a full number of genetic Gentile individuals have become saved, which won't happen until near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Romans 11:26), just as Luke 21:24 shows that "the times of the Gentiles" won't be "fulfilled (pleroo)" until the completion of the treading down of Jerusalem during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 11:2b, Revelation 13:5-18) during the 2nd half of the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-30), all the still-living unsaved elect genetic Jews will become saved (Romans 11:26-28) by God's grace when they see the returned Jesus in person and believe in him (Zechariah 12:10-14). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, just as when genetic Jews believe in Jesus now they become part of the church, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

And the genetic Jews who will become believers at the 2nd coming will all become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit, who is "the spirit of grace and of supplications" in Zechariah 12:10 (Hebrews 10:29c, Romans 8:26), just as genetic Jewish believers today become part of the church by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit. For it's by receiving some measure of the Holy Spirit that both genetic Jewish believers and genetic Gentile believers become part of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13)

But Jerusalem was already trampled down for 42 months. 70AD-73AD by the Romans (Gentiles).

Believing Gentiles & Jews = the sheep

Unbelieving Gentiles & Jews = the goats

God is not a respecter of persons! Your theology is incorrectand corrupt, what haopens to the Gentiles that believe once they see Jesus at His coming and believe?????

Or do you honestly believe there will be a double standard?????
 
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Believing Gentiles & Jews = the sheep

Unbelieving Gentiles & Jews = the goats

That's right.

But Matthew 25:31 doesn't mean that Matthew 25:32-46 (just as 2 Peter 3:10a doesn't mean that 2 Peter 3:10b) will happen immediately at Jesus' 2nd coming, only that it will happen sometime subsequent to his 2nd coming, at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), after the future millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15).

Matthew 25:32-46 refers to when the "nations" will be judged by their works at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:12-13), whereas at the 2nd coming, Jesus will judge only those in the church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; Matthew 25:19-30). Also, Matthew 25:41,46 refers to when the unsaved of all times, whether Jews or Gentiles, will be sent into the everlasting punishment of the lake of fire and brimstone at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:15), whereas at the 2nd coming only the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and his False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). The saved "sheep" at the sheep/goat judgment will include those, whether Jews or Gentiles, who will become believers during the millennium (Isaiah 66:19-21). Matthew 25:34 refers to obedient believers inheriting the kingdom of the Father on the new earth in New Jerusalem, the Father's house (Revelation 21:1-7, John 14:2).

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God is not a respecter of persons!

Amen.

God being no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) includes the meaning he will ultimately judge all people by the same standard, regardless of whether they're Jews or Gentiles, or whether they're elect or nonelect (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Peter 1:17). So even the saved elect, whether Jews or Gentiles, have to worry about ultimately losing their salvation if they wrongly employ their free will to, for example, commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29).
 
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Yes Random,
futurism always has had two programs, two peoples, two standards.

Futurism per se should be distinguished from dispensationalism. For futurism per se is correct, because the tribulation and 2nd-coming prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 19 and Matthew 24 have never been fulfilled. But dispensationalism is mistaken, because it sets up a mutual exclusiveness between the church and Israel, whereas the Bible shows that all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29) and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).

This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he's been grafted into and he will receive an answer from God if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22) without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

Also, the book of James was addressing "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which was the same as addressing people in the church (James 5:14), people with faith in Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (i.e. Christians), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Christ to return (James 5:7).

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Also, dispensationalism is mistaken because it teaches a pre-tribulation rapture, whereas the Bible shows that Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8).
 
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