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Gun control

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by savedfromdistruction, Apr 10, 2013.

  1. savedfromdistruction

    savedfromdistruction Regular Member

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    A2SG Senior Member

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    Seriously? One city council member in Austin is an official of the Democratic Party?

    Dude, stop listening to the paranoia.

    The gun control measures being debated in the Senate and in several states are not an attempt to do away with the Second Amendment. Don't forget, that amendment requires gun owners to be "well-regulated".

    -- A2SG, the NRA would do well to read that part of the amendment, they tend to forget it's there.....
     
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  3. childofGod1

    childofGod1 Regular Member

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    Alex Jones' Infowars is sensationalistic garbage. You need to find credible sources...
     
  4. tulc

    tulc bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem

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    The problem is credible sources don't whip up the really good frothy paranoia Mr Jones and his screaming meemie fans enjoy so much. :D
    tulc(not to mention boosting gun sales!) ;)
     
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  5. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    Lay off Alex Jones, ok.

    Politicians commit plenty of shenanigans without his making them up.
     
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    cow451 CEO, Acme Drone Company

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    freezerman2000 What a long,strange trip it's been! CF Ambassador Angels Team

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    Control guns and you control the population.
     
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    A2SG Senior Member

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    And if you don't control guns, you have anarchy.

    Is that better?

    -- A2SG, if you think so, then perhaps living in a society with other people isn't the life for you....
     
  9. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    We had anarchy in, say, 1903?

    :doh:

    That's when any ten year old could mail order a Maxim machine gun.
     
  10. Billnew

    Billnew Legend

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    Kids took guns to school too.
    Dang, how did the human race survive, kids with machine guns in school.:D
     
  11. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Sanctimonious old crackpot

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    It is the dream of every government to disarm it's citizens. Even the police, who are sworn to uphold the Constitution, would prefer a disarmed populace and as a group would not only not object to this but would gladly collect the guns.
     
  12. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Ministry Liaison Staff Member Community Coordinator Supporter Staff on LOA CF Ambassador

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    A2SG Senior Member

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    Were guns completely without control then?

    Did ten year old kids then have no parents? Did they have unlimited funds to order things through the mail?

    I'd say there were controls back then, at least enough to prevent these rich, unsupervised ten year olds from mowing down first graders.

    -- A2SG, then again, maybe those mass shootings didn't make the papers.....
     
  14. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    At the federal level, yes. Although, now that you mention it..some of the first gun laws in the United States were meant to keep guns out of the hands of the "wrong" people.

    I don't know, but if they had saved up enough money, they could certainly order one.

    Or they had responsible parents who properly raised them.

    What mass shootings?
     
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    Apart from the overtly racist gun control laws (people of color barred from possessing arms) in some places, there were no "gun control laws", murder was murder regardless of the tool, assault was assault, robbery was robbery, etc. Prior, all gun control laws were designed to protect KKK members from their intended victims. This is what we are talking about, when Constitutional loyalists talk about the racist roots of gun control. It is history, not opinion.

    Contrary, they had parents who taught them responsibility early on, and it wasn't uncommon for children to bring their gun to school so they could bag dinner on the way home.

    Unlimited might be a stretch. There were railroad tycoons and other such industrial super-rich & they had children. . . I think the point was there was no law against it (a child mail ordering a maxim)

    Yuppers, murder was still illegal back then . . . but the controls were social rather than legal. The only gun control laws in that era were based on skin color. Then, democrats allowing people of color to vote was a hot topic back then too. The painfully slow progress (toward equal rights for people of color) was coupled with the rise in KKK memberships all the way into the 1920's. Gun control is Jim Crow's last stand.

    While it would solidify Sarah Brady's case if there were, and there were even more, than now that we have gun free zones and more infringements on 2nd amendment rights . . . that simply isn't the case. I understand the inclination to revise history, but I don't have the stomach for it, too hard to learn from the past if we rewrite how it went.
     
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    Well, it's easier to cross state lines now than it was in the 18th century.

    Then we're getting better at recognizing who the wrong people are.

    Kinda depends on your definition of "responsible", I guess.

    My point exactly.

    -- A2SG, musta missed it...
     
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    So we're getting better at it then, since no one is proposing gun control laws based on race.

    Life has changed since then.

    And cocaine used to be freely available.

    Things change.

    No longer, since we're not basing it on race any more.

    I'm not trying to rewrite history, I just don't know about these mass shootings that you refer to.

    The fact is, today in 2013, assault weapons are too freely available to people who shouldn't have them. That needs to change.

    -- A2SG, if you don't like the ideas we've come up with, feel free to suggest your own...but "more guns" is all I hear, and that isn't a solution, that's the problem......
     
  18. Jeffwhosoever

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    Prove that assault weapons 'are too freely available to people who shouldn't have them". Let's see your data, and along with it, the data that confirms the 1993 assault weapon ban made a significant impact. What? You have none? Just as I thought.
     
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    I'll even go farther as to say it's the dream of humanity to never have to use weaponry or violence against one another.
     
  20. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Ministry Liaison Staff Member Community Coordinator Supporter Staff on LOA CF Ambassador

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    Yes, but as long as there is evil in the world, that dream will never be possible.
     
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