Greatest people of Great Britian and America

sdmsanjose

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Greatest people as polled by the public of Great Britain and America; is something wrong?

The United Kingdom Public, in 2002, had very poor priorities. It seems that the feelings and fantasies of the people of the United Kingdom lead them to not be able to judge the facts. The people of the United Kingdom selected their “100 greatest Britons” and listed below are some of the reasons that I mad the previous statement.

I am a big Beatles fan but the greatest Britain’s list below has something terribly wrong.

John Lennon of the rock band the Beatles were selected as greater than the following people:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

"100 Greatest Britons" was broadcast in 2002 by the BBC. The programme was based on a television poll conducted to determine whom the United Kingdom public considered the greatest British people in history

William Tyndale (/ˈtɪndəl/;[1] sometimes spelled Tynsdale, Tindall, Tindill, Tyndall; c.1494–1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant reform in the years leading up to his execution. He is well known for his translation of the Bible into English.

n 1535 Tyndale was arrested and jailed in the castle of Vilvoorde (Filford) outside Brussels for over a year. In 1536 he was convicted of heresy and executed by strangulation, after which his body was burnt at the stake. His dying prayer that the King of England's eyes would be opened seemed to find its fulfillment just two years later with Henry's authorization of the Great Bible for the Church of England—which was largely Tyndale's own work. Hence, the Tyndale Bible, as it was known, continued to play a key role in spreading Reformation ideas across the English-speaking world and, eventually, to the British Empire.

William Wilberforce (24 August 1759 – 29 July 1833) was an English politician, philanthropist, and a leader of the movement to abolish the slave trade.

He headed the parliamentary campaign against the British slave trade for twenty years until the passage of the Slave Trade Act of 1807.

Thomas Paine (February 9, 1737 [O.S. January 29, 1736][Note 1][Note 2][Note 3] – June 8, 1809) was an English-American political activist, philosopher, political theorist, and revolutionary. One of the Founding Fathers of the United States, he authored the two most influential pamphlets at the start of the American Revolution, and he inspired the rebels in 1776 to declare independence from Britain

John Wesley (/ˈwɛsli, ˈwɛzli/;[1] 28 June [O.S. 17 June] 1703 – 2 March 1791) was an Anglicanminister and theologian who, with his brother Charles and fellow cleric George Whitefield, is credited with the foundation of the evangelical movement known as Methodism. His work and writings also played a leading role in the development of the Holiness movement and Pentecostalism.[2][3]

Under Wesley's direction, Methodists became leaders in many social issues of the day, including prison reform and the abolition of slavery.

Later in his ministry, Wesley was a keen abolitionist,[47][48] speaking out and writing against the slave trade. He published a pamphlet on slavery, titled Thoughts Upon Slavery, in 1774. To quote from one of his tracts against the slave trade: "Liberty is the right of every human creature, as soon as he breathes the vital air; and no human law can deprive him of that right which he derives from the law of nature".[49] Wesley was a friend of John Newton and William Wilberforce who were also influential in the abolition of slavery in Britain

Alexander Graham Bell (March 3, 1847 – August 2, 1922)[4] was a Scottish-born[N 3] scientist, inventor, engineer and innovator who is credited with patenting the first practical telephone.[7]

Bell's father, grandfather, and brother had all been associated with work on elocution and speech, and both his mother and wife were deaf, profoundly influencing Bell's life's work.[8] His research on hearing and speech further led him to experiment with hearing devices which eventually culminated in Bell being awarded the first U.S. patent for the telephone in 1876.[N 4] Bell considered his most famous invention an intrusion on his real work as a scientist and refused to have a telephone in his study.[9][N 5]

Many other inventions marked Bell's later life, including groundbreaking work in optical telecommunications, hydrofoils and aeronautics. Although Bell was not one of the 33 founders[11] of the National Geographic Society, he had a strong influence on the magazine while serving as the second president from January 7, 1898 until 1903.[12]

William Booth (10 April 1829 – 20 August 1912) was a British Methodist preacher who founded The Salvation Army and became its first General (1878–1912). The Christian movement with a quasi-military structure and government founded in 1865 has spread from London, England, to many parts of the world and is known for being one of the largest distributors of humanitarian aid.


Americans may even have less wisdom than the Brits in prioritizing great people. I love Elvis Presley’s music and paid to see him perform at Las Vegas in the 1970s, twice! However, Elvis is very good at spiking the emotions and fantasies for a few hours and is not even close to being number 7 in the greatest category of many other Americans

Elvis Presley was number 7 ahead of the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_American

The Greatest American was a four-part American television series hosted by Matt Lauer in 2005. The show featured biographies and lists of influential persons in U.S. history, and culminated in a contest in which millions in the audience nominated and voted for the person they felt was the "greatest American". The competition was conducted by AOL and the Discovery Channel and reported on by the BBC.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt (/ˈroʊzəvəlt/, his own pronunciation,[2] or /ˈroʊzəvɛlt/) (January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945), commonly known as FDR, was an American statesman and political leader who served as the President of the United States from 1933 to 1945. A Democrat, he won a record four presidential elections and dominated his party for many years as a central figure in world events during the mid-20th century, leading the United States during a time of worldwide economic depression and total war. His program for relief, recovery and reform, known as the New Deal, involved a great expansion of the role of the federal government in the economy. As a dominant leader of the Democratic Party, he built the New Deal Coalition that brought together and united labor unions, big city machines, white ethnics, African Americans, and rural white Southerners in support of the party. The Coalition significantly realigned American politics after 1932, creating the Fifth Party System and defining American liberalism throughout the middle third of the 20th century.


Billy Graham

William Franklin "Billy" Graham, Jr., KBE (born November 7, 1918) is an American evangelical Christianevangelist, ordained as a Southern Baptist minister, who rose to celebrity status in 1949 reaching a core constituency of middle-class, moderately conservative Protestants.[3] He held large indoor and outdoor rallies; sermons were broadcast on radio and television, some still being re-broadcast today.[4] In his six decades of television, Graham is principally known for hosting the annual Billy Graham Crusades, which he began in 1947, until he concluded in 2005, at the time of his retirement. He also hosted the popular radio show Hour of Decision from 1950 to 1954.

Graham was a spiritual adviser to several American presidents; he was particularly close to Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson (who was considered to be one of Graham's closest friends)[5] and Richard Nixon.[6] He insisted on integration for his revivals and crusades in 1953 and invited Martin Luther King, Jr. to preach jointly at a revival in New York City in 1957. Graham bailed King out of jail in the 1960s when King was arrested in demonstrations. He was also lifelong friends with another televangelist, Robert H. Schuller, whom Graham talked into doing his own television ministry in Garden Grove, California, from 1970 until Schuller's retirement in 2010 (who was the longest-serving minister of the telecast), from the Neutra Sanctuary, after Schuller visited him in 1969, at an Anaheim Convention Center for one of his crusades.[7]

Graham operates a variety of media and publishing outlets.[8] According to his staff, more than 3.2 million people have responded to the invitation at Billy Graham Crusades to "accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior". As of 2008, Graham's estimated lifetime audience, including radio and television broadcasts, topped 2.2 billion. Because of his crusades, Graham has preached the gospel to more people in person than anyone in the history of Christianity.[8]

Graham has repeatedly been on Gallup'slist of most admired men and women. He has appeared on the list 55 times since 1955 (including 49 consecutive years), more than any other individual in the world.[9] Grant Wacker reports:

Thomas Jefferson (April 13 [O.S. April 2] 1743 – July 4, 1826) was an American Founding Father who was principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776). He was elected the second Vice President of the United States (1797–1801) and the third President (1801–09). Jefferson was a proponent of democracy, republicanism, and individual rights, which motivated American colonists to break from Great Britain and form a new nation. He produced formative documents and decisions at both the state and national level.

Albert Einstein (/ˈaɪnstaɪn/;[3] German: [ˈalbɛɐ̯t ˈaɪnʃtaɪn] (upload_2016-2-7_23-19-11.pnglisten); 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born theoretical physicist. He developed the general theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics (alongside quantum mechanics).[2][4]:274 Einstein's work is also known for its influence on the philosophy of science.[5][6] Einstein is best known in popular culture for his mass–energy equivalence formula E = mc2 (which has been dubbed "the world's most famous equation").[7] He received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics for his "services to theoretical physics", in particular his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect, a pivotal step in the evolution of quantum theory.[8]

Thomas Alva Edison (February 11, 1847 – October 18, 1931) was an Americaninventor and businessman. He developed many devices that greatly influenced life around the world, including the phonograph, the motion picture camera, and the long-lasting, practical electric light bulb. Dubbed "The Wizard of Menlo Park",[3] he was one of the first inventors to apply the principles of mass production and large-scale teamwork to the process of invention, and because of that, he is often credited with the creation of the first industrial research laboratory.[4]

The Wright brothers, Orville (August 19, 1871 – January 30, 1948) and Wilbur (April 16, 1867 – May 30, 1912), were two American brothers, inventors, and aviation pioneers who are credited[1][2][3] with inventing and building the world's first successful airplane and making the first controlled, powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight, on December 17, 1903 four miles south of Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. In 1904-1905 the brothers developed their flying machine into the first practical fixed-wing aircraft. Although not the first to build and fly experimental aircraft, the Wright brothers were the first to invent aircraft controls that made fixed-wing powered flight possible.


Is it just me or does emotional excitement and fantasies overrule good judgement and realities in Great Britain and America?



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It amused me that you chose to take issue with John Lennon in 7th, given that 3rd place in the same poll was occupied by Princess Diana, just ahead of Darwin, Shakespeare and Newton :doh:

As for the US poll, George W Bush in 5th is almost as ridiculous as Princess Di in 3rd
 
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A few questions:

1) Why is Albert Einstein, who was born in Germany, did his significant work in Switzerland, and later immigrated to the US considered American? Whereas Thomas Paine, who was born in England, did much of his significant work in the America, and later immigrated to France considered British?

2) Why are Freddie Mercury and Johnny Rotten considered greater than James Clerk Maxwell?

3) Was King Arthur a real person?
 
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It amused me that you chose to take issue with John Lennon in 7th, given that 3rd place in the same poll was occupied by Princess Diana, just ahead of Darwin, Shakespeare and Newton

As for the US poll, George W Bush in 5th is almost as ridiculous as Princess Di in 3rd

I agree.

I picked John Lennon because I had been reading about rock stars and he is one of the biggest rock stars of the 20th century. In addition, John Lennon was a poor parent to his first son and a druggie including heroin for several years. I do not think that George W and Princess Di belong on that list but at least they were not bad parents and a heroin user.





By Jayem

A few questions:

1) Why is Albert Einstein, who was born in Germany, did his significant work in Switzerland, and later immigrated to the US considered American? Whereas Thomas Paine, who was born in England, did much of his significant work in the America, and later immigrated to France considered British?

You have a good point. However, I was not as interested in the assignment of nationality but more about why some American and British public are so shallow








2) Why are Freddie Mercury and Johnny Rotten considered greater than James Clerk Maxwell?

Mercury and Rotten are ahead of Maxwell because the voting public has no wisdom as to who is great and they are shallow minded.




3) Was King Arthur a real person?

I only know that they made a movie about him.


I just wondered what some people base greatness on?

How did Lennon, Presley, Mercury, and Rotten help mankind?
 
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Is it just me or does emotional excitement and fantasies overrule good judgement and realities in Great Britain and America?
In this day and age where people put such priority on glitz and form over substance (esp with entertainers), this is surprising how?

As I heard someone once say: "if you lined up all the people in the world by IQ, there'd be a lot of people ahead of me......

...but there'd be a WHOLE lot more people behind me."
 
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In this day and age where people put such priority on glitz and form over substance (esp with entertainers), this is surprising how?
Is this a new thing? I mean, I recognize that history textbooks are dry in order to pound the main facts and ideas into your brain, but you realize that people have always been people, right?

Not to mention that for most of history, the average person was a peasant farmer who couldn't read (and likely didn't know the names of any leaders past or present), much less tell you about the biggest influences on politics, the economy, or the arts.
 
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