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truth-out.org/opinion/item/29445-consumers-want-gmo-labels-not-barcodes
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Consumers need to know so they have the option to proactively protect themselves and their future offspring from potential harm.

No scientific study into GMOs have looked into the potential for harm across multiple generations. Obviously, this is because this would take more than a few decades to study.
 
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Here's the first of the ten reasons from the link I posted previously:
"The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses. "Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years; food allergies skyrocketed, and disorders such as autism, reproductive disorders, digestive problems, and others are on the rise. Although there is not sufficient research to confirm that GMOs are a contributing factor, doctors groups such as the AAEM tell us not to wait before we start protecting ourselves, and especially our children who are most at risk.
"The American Public Health Association and American Nurses Association are among many medical groups that condemn the use of GM bovine growth hormone, because the milk from treated cows has more of the hormone IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1)―which is linked to cancer."
 
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What does this have to do with labels on GMO organisms?

It lines up with the ignorance, ludditeism or anti-humanity views that motivate the anti-GMO nonsense.
 
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It lines up with the ignorance, ludditeism or anti-humanity views that motivate the anti-GMO nonsense.
How is it nonsense to demand long term studies to prove that GMO organisms do not cause negative consequences across multiple generations of humans and animals?
 
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How is it nonsense to demand long term studies to prove that GMO organisms do not cause negative consequences across multiple generations of humans and animals?

It's nonsense because no amount of research will placate the anti-GMO crowd. It's like showing statistics on the safety of abortion procedures to pro-lifers and expecting them to change their views.
 
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It's nonsense because no amount of research will placate the anti-GMO crowd. It's like showing statistics on the safety of abortion procedures to pro-lifers and expecting them to change their views.
That doesn't address the point of my question.

How do you know that consuming GMO organisms has no negative effects on the epigenetic health across multiple generations?
 
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That doesn't address the point of my question.

It addresses the point that the anti-GMO crowd is not operating out of scientific concern but rather from preformed conclusions that evidence to the contrary is irrelevant to.

How do you know that consuming GMO organisms has no negative effects on the epigenetic health across multiple generations?

Despite the flat out lies from GMO opponents that they are not studied or regulated they have been looked at intensely without ill effects being show, much less the apocalyptic nonsense screamed about, and demanding ever longer studies is nothing more then road blocks being thrown in the way for no reason.
 
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It addresses the point that the anti-GMO crowd is not operating out of scientific concern but rather from preformed conclusions that evidence to the contrary is irrelevant to.

Despite the flat out lies from GMO opponents that they are not studied or regulated they have been looked at intensely without ill effects being show, much less the apocalyptic nonsense screamed about, and demanding ever longer studies is nothing more then road blocks being thrown in the way for no reason.
Strawman argument.

I'm not asking if GMOs have or haven't been studied. I'm asking if they have been studied for their effects across multiple generations.
 
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Consumers need to know so they have the option to proactively protect themselves and their future offspring from potential harm.

No scientific study into GMOs have looked into the potential for harm across multiple generations. Obviously, this is because this would take more than a few decades to study.

Every creature on earth is genetically modified from its ancestral species. Mere genetic modification is going on all the time, naturally. Fear of genetic modification in and of itself is unwarranted.
 
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Desk Trauma, I notice you make many assertions of safety, but post no links to back up your claims.

The only reason we don't have GMO labeling today is because a political FDA appointee who had worked for Monsanto prior to his appointment, and went back to Monsanto after his FDA term of employment, overruled the FDA's own scientists who said that GMO's are substantially different from non-GMO crops. Here's a quote:

"The consensus of scientists at the FDA in the 1990's was that GM food could produce allergies, new toxins, new diseases and nutritional problems and that they required further study before being brought to market. They were overruled by a political appointee named Michael Taylor, who before writing the FDA policy on GM foods (saying they were the same as any other food) was an attorney for Monsanto. After his FDA stint, he was rewarded by being made vice-president of Monsanto, He is now our "food safety czar". Because of corruption in high places, GMOs are now in over 75% of the foods in our supermarkets." -- hvnogmos.org/2013/10/five-reasons-to-march-against-monsanto.html
 
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Every creature on earth is genetically modified from its ancestral species. Mere genetic modification is going on all the time, naturally. Fear of genetic modification in and of itself is unwarranted.
Artificial splicing/combining of genes between different species is not going on in the natural world.

Like genes between cows and humans, or rice and humans, or dogs and cats, or goats and spiders.
 
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Netzarim, I notice you make many assertions of safety, but post no links to back up your claims.

The only reason we don't have GMO labeling today is because the a political FDA appointee who had worked for Monsanto prior to his appointment, and went back to Monsanto after his FDA term of employment, overruled the FDA's own scientists who said that GMO's are substantially different from non-GMO crops. Here's a quote:

"The consensus of scientists at the FDA in the 1990's was that GM food could produce allergies, new toxins, new diseases and nutritional problems and that they required further study before being brought to market. They were overruled by a political appointee named Michael Taylor, who before writing the FDA policy on GM foods (saying they were the same as any other food) was an attorney for Monsanto. After his FDA stint, he was rewarded by being made vice-president of Monsanto, He is now our "food safety czar". Because of corruption in high places, GMOs are now in over 75% of the foods in our supermarkets." -- hvnogmos.org/2013/10/five-reasons-to-march-against-monsanto.html
You misread me.

I do not believe GMOs are safe.
 
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Every creature on earth is genetically modified from its ancestral species. Mere genetic modification is going on all the time, naturally. Fear of genetic modification in and of itself is unwarranted.

One of the ways genes are modified in GMO crops is by a "gene gun". Basically pieces of plants or animals containing the desired genes are smashed at high speed into pieces of plants or animals that scientists want to contain the new gene(s). One of the problems with this process is it is NOT precise. Many additional genes are usually transferred in addition to the desired gene. These additional genes can have highly unpredictable ramifications, including triggering of food allergies.

Here is a scientific paper on how GMO's are different from traditional plant breeding: consumersunion.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Wide-Crosses.pdf
 
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