Global vs Local Flood: Perhaps there is a way to have Unison Between the Two

[mark kennedy]

That sounds like we have so much complete information,
instead of very little information with a lot of evolutionary
filler stories.

"One sometimes reads that all hominid fossils could fit in a coffin, or on a table, or a billiard table. That is a misleading image (Note: not untrue), as there are now thousands of hominid fossils. They are however mostly fragmentary, often consisting of single bones or isolated teeth. Complete skulls and skeletons are rare."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html

Sure there are a great number of Hominid fossils but where are the Chimpanzee ancestors since the split? What is equally compelling is why are so many of them much more like Chimpanzees then humans yet are never considered possible Chimpanzee ancestors?

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[pat34lee]

It's also UnScriptural since it falsely assumes that the flood happened to the present Planet Earth. Adam's world (Kosmos) was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Our Earth is covered with water, but doesn't dissolve like Adam's Earth did. It's because we live on the 3rd Rock from the Sun. Amen?

So, do you think Noah built a spaceship out
of wood and traveled to another planet?
What makes you think anything dissolved
rather than just the people and animals
were killed and buried?

 

[pat34lee]

Sure there are a great number of Hominid fossils but where are the Chimpanzee ancestors since the split? What is equally compelling is why are so many of them much more like Chimpanzees then humans yet are never considered possible Chimpanzee ancestors?

Grace and peace,
Mark

Because it doesn't fit their story.

 

[Aman777]

So, do you think Noah built a spaceship out
of wood and traveled to another planet?
What makes you think anything dissolved
rather than just the people and animals
were killed and buried?

No, but Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, was designed to be self sufficient, even when water totally surrounded it. Gen 1:6-8 This made it possible to transport anywhere. The first firmament/heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Other heavens/firmaments were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

God brought Adam's 1st firmament, which contained Adam's Earth, some 11k years ago, to our 2nd Heaven. ALL of the people of Adam's small world, which was only miles in diameter, were killed and sank to the bottom of Lake Van, Turkey, except those on the Ark, which floated like a covered lifeboat, into the 75 mile wide enclosed Lake in the mountains of Ararat. History agrees and Human civilization began on our Earth.

Adam's entire world/firmament/Heaven was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 The Scoffers/evolutionists of the last days will NOT believe this. ll Peter 3:3-7 Do you?

 

[SkyWriting]

So, do you think Noah built a spaceship out
of wood and traveled to another planet?

I suppose you won't believe it until you see it.

 

[pat34lee]

The first firmament/heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Other heavens/firmaments were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

God brought Adam's 1st firmament, which contained Adam's Earth, some 11k years ago, to our 2nd Heaven. ALL of the people of Adam's small world, which was only miles in diameter,

How did God place every animal kind, including fish
and whales on an earth only a few miles in diameter?

In a thousand years, with no natural death to cull us,
mankind would have swelled to hundreds of millions,
if not billions. How did they fit? What did they eat?

 

[SkyWriting]

In a thousand years, with no natural death to cull us,
mankind would have swelled to hundreds of millions,
if not billions. How did they fit? What did they eat?

Population rates are very difficult to guess in the past.
There is no scientific way to recreate past events.

 

[pat34lee]

Population rates are very difficult to guess in the past.
There is no scientific way to recreate past events.

You go by normal behavior and what Genesis says.
People began having kids in their 30s and would
have probably had a dozen or more since they lived
almost a thousand years. The population would have
gone up exponentially. There could actually have been
over 10 trillion people by the time of the flood.
https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/4-population-growth-how-many-died-in-noahs-flood/

 

[Aman777]

How did God place every animal kind, including fish
and whales on an earth only a few miles in diameter?

In a thousand years, with no natural death to cull us,
mankind would have swelled to hundreds of millions,
if not billions. How did they fit? What did they eat?

It is a false assumption to think that every animal, on Planet Earth, had it's origin on Adam's Earth. The Ark contained some of the animals of the first Earth but there were millions of species already here when Noah arrived 11k years ago in the mountains of Ararat, as History records.
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

It is also a false assumption to believe that there was NO death until Adam sinned. There was NO death in Humans because Adam and Eve were the only Humans. Scripture shows that Adam brought death to "all men".

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Adam brought death to ALL Human Beings who sin and that is ALL of us. Darkness/Death was upon everything God created BEFORE the first Day. Gen 1:2 The only person who was sinlessly perfect was the Light of the first Day. His name is Jesus. God Bless you

 

[SkyWriting]

You go by normal behavior and what Genesis says.
People began having kids in their 30s and would have probably had a dozen or more since they lived almost a thousand years. The population would have gone up exponentially. There could actually have been over 10 trillion people by the time of the flood.

No, nobody goes by "Normal behavior".
The reason you can't do that is you don't know the actual
factors for the entire population. For example, here are
actual figures for one group. This graph illustrates it's
impossible to estimate historical population numbers
without data to support actual numbers.

 

[pat34lee]

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I changed the emphasis a little on your quote. See the difference?
Death entered the world. As part of the world, it came on all men.
Animals are also part, and it came upon them too.

If death came before sin, then God is not good, and creation
was broken before it was finished. God would then be the
cause of suffering, disease and death instead of man's sin.

 

[pat34lee]

No, nobody goes by "Normal behavior".
The reason you can't do that is you don't know the actual
factors for the entire population. For example, here are
actual figures for one group. This graph illustrates it's
impossible to estimate historical population numbers
without data to support actual numbers.

Of course, widespread warfare has a tendency
to keep populations artificially low. As far as we
know, that was not going on before the flood. And
post AD Chinese people were not living over 900
years on average.

 

[SkyWriting]

Of course, widespread warfare has a tendency
to keep populations artificially low. As far as we
know, that was not going on before the flood. And
post AD Chinese people were not living over 900
years on average.

This graph illustrates it's impossible to estimate historical population
numbers without data to support actual numbers. You need to know
the actual birth and death rates.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777 said: ↑

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I changed the emphasis a little on your quote. See the difference?
Death entered the world. As part of the world, it came on all men.
Animals are also part, and it came upon them too.

I cannot agree since the verse says nothing about animals unless you "add to" what is actually written.

*** If death came before sin, then God is not good, and creation
was broken before it was finished. God would then be the
cause of suffering, disease and death instead of man's sin.

Please explain what the darkness was which was upon the face of the deep in Gen 1:2. Amen?

 

[Diamond7]

"Global Flood",

Formation of the Earth: When the Earth initially formed about 4.5 billion years ago, it was a hot and molten sphere due to the energy released during its accretion from smaller celestial bodies.

Formation of the Oceans: As the Earth cooled, water vapor in the atmosphere condensed, leading to the formation of the oceans around 4.4 billion years ago. These oceans were likely very different from today's oceans, with different chemical compositions and lacking life as we know it.

Formation of the Continents: The formation of the first continents, or landmasses, occurred through volcanic and tectonic activity. Early continents were likely small and composed of different types of rock.

 

[Diamond7]

Wouldn't that mean that the Euphrates river wasn't there before the flood?

The Persian Gulf was not there before Noah's flood.