Genesis & Evolution (moved)

[Devin (Camary) Vaughn]

i believe that humans did evolve in a sence... after the time of Adam and Eve, their future generations colonized in other parts of the world, thus having to adapt to the environment, thus our skin color and stuff had to change to give our ancestors the greatest advantage. also the bones scientists found of our "ape like ancestors" were buried in soft dirt and found in caves... I'm certain that one could just take a skeleton, and put a gorilla skull with it, and try to debunk God. if we all were stupid and believed that, the bible wouldn't even here anymore. Amen?

 

[gluadys]

. I'm certain that one could just take a skeleton, and put a gorilla skull with it, and try to debunk God. if we all were stupid and believed that, the bible wouldn't even here anymore. Amen?

Then you are certain of a falsehood. There is no way one can believably attach a gorilla skull to a human skeleton. The angle at which the spine meets the skull is all wrong. A gorilla spine comes from the back of the skull, a human spine from the bottom to accommodate upright posture. Also a gorilla skull has a large crest on top for anchoring massive jaw muscles, a feature not found in any other hominid skeleton. So it is not as easy as you think to get away with this sort of fraud.

 

[Aman777]

i believe that humans did evolve in a sence... after the time of Adam and Eve, their future generations colonized in other parts of the world, thus having to adapt to the environment, thus our skin color and stuff had to change to give our ancestors the greatest advantage. also the bones scientists found of our "ape like ancestors" were buried in soft dirt and found in caves... I'm certain that one could just take a skeleton, and put a gorilla skull with it, and try to debunk God. if we all were stupid and believed that, the bible wouldn't even here anymore. Amen?

It's even more simple than that. Adam was made on the first Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human, arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat 10-12k years ago, in man's time.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people (sons of God) Gen 6:4 who had been here for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. Here is the record of the arrival of the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

 

[Devin (Camary) Vaughn]

I guess I may or may not be wrong... no one here really knows what has happened and what didn't. it was just a theory I had, and I thought I could put it here.

 

[willbill]

It's even more simple than that. Adam was made on the first Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human, arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat 10-12k years ago, in man's time.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people (sons of God) Gen 6:4 who had been here for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. Here is the record of the arrival of the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

Let Kabbalism be for the Jews. Let the Bible be for one with faith.

 

[Devin (Camary) Vaughn]

It's even more simple than that. Adam was made on the first Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 Noah, a direct descendant of Adam, the first Human, arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat 10-12k years ago, in man's time.

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people (sons of God) Gen 6:4 who had been here for Millions of years BEFORE Noah arrived. Here is the record of the arrival of the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) on Planet Earth. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

eh, Cain was the son of Adam and Eve. Noah's 3 sons had wives already, not to mention Noah had his own wife. and I must ask, how could Cain son of Adam (first human ever) be Noah's grandson, and reproduce with prehistoric people even though they should have perished either by age or by the flood?

 

[Aman777]

I guess I may or may not be wrong... no one here really knows what has happened and what didn't. it was just a theory I had, and I thought I could put it here.

Amen. As you can probably see, I do the same. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Let Kabbalism be for the Jews. Let the Bible be for one with faith.

Since there are many thousands of Churches of Faith, I think it's time to show Christians that God's Truth is the the Truth Scientifically, Scripturally AND Historically. For too long Evolutionists have poisoning our children's minds with the False ToE and yet most Christians seem to prefer the Theology of ancient men, who could NOT have known what Genesis was teaching.

 

[Aman777]

eh, Cain was the son of Adam and Eve. Noah's 3 sons had wives already, not to mention Noah had his own wife. and I must ask, how could Cain son of Adam (first human ever) be Noah's grandson, and reproduce with prehistoric people even though they should have perished either by age or by the flood?

Cain married a descendant of the sons of God who evolved from the water on Adam's Earth. The sons of God came forth from the water on the 5th Day at God's command. Gen 1:21 When the Flood destroyed Adam's Earth, Noah and his family were brought into the present world.

Noah's grandsons were in the same position that Cain was since there were NO other Humans for them to marry. They married and produced children with the prehistoric people who were here on Planet Earth, and had been here for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived. That is How prehistoric people became today's Humans (descendants of Adam, the first Human). NO magical evolution required. Amen?

 

[Devin (Camary) Vaughn]

Cain married a descendant of the sons of God who evolved from the water on Adam's Earth. The sons of God came forth from the water on the 5th Day at God's command. Gen 1:21 When the Flood destroyed Adam's Earth, Noah and his family were brought into the present world.

Noah's grandsons were in the same position that Cain was since there were NO other Humans for them to marry. They married and produced children with the prehistoric people who were here on Planet Earth, and had been here for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived. That is How prehistoric people became today's Humans (descendants of Adam, the first Human). NO magical evolution required. Amen?

but the prehistoric people would be dead, they should have been destroid by the flood. the only human, or even land life that was on earth was on the ark... so these "prehistoric humans" were killed by the same tragedy noah and his family... and his sons wifes escaped.

 

[Aman777]

but the prehistoric people would be dead, they should have been destroid by the flood. the only human, or even land life that was on earth was on the ark... so these "prehistoric humans" were killed by the same tragedy noah and his family... and his sons wifes escaped.

Our Earth has NEVER been destroyed in a Flood. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" Isa 24:19 in the Flood. Our world is the 3rd ROCK from the Sun. The only way to destroy our Earth is to BURN it ll Peter 3:10 which is what will happen after Jesus returns to our Earth.

ALL life died on Adam's Earth but there were some one Million prehistoric people here when Noah arrived. The world was filled with animals of all kinds because our world was not the world which was destroyed in the Flood. Noah brought the Human intelligence of Adam to this Earth. Human civilization can be traced to the Arks arrival in the mountains of Ararat exactly as God told us. Gen 8:4 God Bless you

 

[rcorlew]

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also"

You are correct about the constellations, though the fact that Earth's time was created on the fourth day still stands as valid.

If God did not create time until the 4th day then the following verses would be a lie as well as at least a few more:

c“Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Verses 14 and 15 are God giving us a way to measure something that already existed. And if you are trying to take a literal interpretation of those verses you better start obeying the sun and moon since at least one of them are always ruling over you.

I used to read the Bible as being "literal" but there are huge problems with that which make God out to be a deceiver. The purpose of Genesis 1 is not to tell a scientific history of creation but rather to tell a theological position on the purpose of creation. Even more, it tells the tale of how God created his temple, the ANE readers for whom the Torah was written for would have definitely understood what was being said. First the foundation of the temple is laid, then the temple is prepared for service and finally the image of the god is put into the temple and then finall the god will come and fill the temple.

The problem that so many people have is that they believe that the Bible is written to them instead of being written for them. Understand this, 0.0% of the Bible is written "to" anybody alive today; it is written the the Jews (OT) and to various churches and congregations (NT) but it is all written for us. If people can understand how the persons the various parts of Bible were written "to" would understand what was actually written to them then they would get a much better understanding of the Bible.

The single largest reason I no longer take the "literal" approach to reading the Bible: God made the starts on the 4th day of creation 6,000 or so years ago but their light has been able to travel the hundreds of millions of light years it takes for it to reach the Earth.

 

[Aman777]

If God did not create time until the 4th day then the following verses would be a lie as well as at least a few more:

1. c“Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

2. Verses 14 and 15 are God giving us a way to measure something that already existed. And if you are trying to take a literal interpretation of those verses you better start obeying the sun and moon since at least one of them are always ruling over you.

3. I used to read the Bible as being "literal" but there are huge problems with that which make God out to be a deceiver. The purpose of Genesis 1 is not to tell a scientific history of creation but rather to tell a theological position on the purpose of creation. Even more, it tells the tale of how God created his temple, the ANE readers for whom the Torah was written for would have definitely understood what was being said. First the foundation of the temple is laid, then the temple is prepared for service and finally the image of the god is put into the temple and then finall the god will come and fill the temple.

4. The problem that so many people have is that they believe that the Bible is written to them instead of being written for them. Understand this, 0.0% of the Bible is written "to" anybody alive today; it is written the the Jews (OT) and to various churches and congregations (NT) but it is all written for us. If people can understand how the persons the various parts of Bible were written "to" would understand what was actually written to them then they would get a much better understanding of the Bible.

5. The single largest reason I no longer take the "literal" approach to reading the Bible: God made the starts on the 4th day of creation 6,000 or so years ago but their light has been able to travel the hundreds of millions of light years it takes for it to reach the Earth.

1. Jesus came forth into the physical world from within the invisible Father on the 1st Day in order to defeat the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created BEFORE the first Day (Yowm-a period of labor) No length is given for a Day since it can be 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime, or forever. A good example is the 7th Day which is Eternity. It has NO evening.

2. Both the Sun and the Moon shine on me and Scripture doesn't say they rule me.

3. Since God hid His Truth from ancient men, how do you suppose they were saved? Did hiding His Truth from ancient men make it impossible for them to come to know God EXCEPT by Faith? Want Scripture?

4. God has hidden His Truth in time. ONLY the people of the last days will be able to understand. His Truth is in Genesis and the latest discoveries of Science are revealing the Scientific Truth hidden in Genesis, which agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. The latest being a discovery in this century by Space Telescopes.

5. False, since the first Human cities on this Earth were built by Noah's great grandson and secular History records when the first farming, city building and every other trait of modern Humans Suddenly appeared in the mountains of Ararat some 10-12k years ago. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

What this shows is that Mindless Evolution does NOT produce superior intelligence in ANY creature including Apes. Humans arrived on this Planet, in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us, and the False Theory of Evolution is the biggest Lie in the History of Humanity on this Earth. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Before the Day...God created air and ground without form or dust and death was upon the face of the water which came forth from the air. This moved God to say:

Day 1...Let there be Light and God Himself came into the physical world to mold the clay and defeat the darkness or death which was upon the creation elements. His name is YHWH in the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New. He is the only Image of the invisible Spirit of God.

Day 2...Adam's firmament is made and put into the middle of water.

Day 3...Adam's Seas and Earth are put inside the hollow firmament. First God puts water into the firmament and then He adds dry ground on top of the water. He then makes Adam from the dust of the ground and then makes plants and trees to go into the Garden. At the end of the 3rd Age, He makes our 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven.

Day 4...The Stars of our 2nd Heaven are lit.

Day 5...Prehistoric people and every other living creature is created and brought forth from the Water on the 5th Day. This was 3.77 Billion years ago in man's time.

Day 6...The sons of God (prehistoric people) marry and Adam's superior intelligence is inherited by prehistoric people. Adam is "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually in Christ AFTER Cain kills Abel. God continues to create Adam (mankind) in His Image which is in Christ Spiritually TODAY because TODAY we live at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until Jesus returns.

Amen?

 

[BobRyan]

Moses wrote, "according to their kind," the species would reproduce; mutation we witness right before our eyes breeding dogs and having kids ourselves. People have seen/known this for centuries on centuries! Recently, a voice decided to take it a step further, saying, "It is not 'according to their kind' only, but all have derived their being from singularity, in which we have continued to evolve from."

Is it not interesting that Moses wrote, "according to their kind," *every single time he says God created a creature? Did he do it for the sake of filling in space, or with a meaning; with purpose or no purpose? And if with purpose, does it not speak most to us who live in these modern times?

the Gen 1-2:3 creation account is intended to be taken literally -- in terms of the author and the "kind of writing" that it is.

So that simplifies things quite a lot.

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One leading Hebrew scholar is James Barr, Professor of Hebrew Bible at Vanderbilt University and former Regius Professor of Hebrew at Oxford University in England. Although he does not believe in the historicity of Genesis 1, Dr. Barr does agree that the writer's intent was to narrate the actual history of primeval creation. Others also agree with him.

"Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience; . . . Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know. "

James Barr, letter to David Watson, 1984.
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[BobRyan]

Moses wrote, "according to their kind," the species would reproduce; mutation we witness right before our eyes breeding dogs and having kids ourselves. People have seen/known this for centuries on centuries! Recently, a voice decided to take it a step further, saying, "It is not 'according to their kind' only, but all have derived their being from singularity, in which we have continued to evolve from."

Is it not interesting that Moses wrote, "according to their kind," *every single time he says God created a creature? Did he do it for the sake of filling in space, or with a meaning; with purpose or no purpose? And if with purpose, does it not speak most to us who live in these modern times?

"all scripture is inspired by God" 2Tim 3:16 -- the all-knowing timeless Creator God of the Bible - is emphasizing in Gen 1 that blind-faith-evolutionism is simply not the way it happened.

 

[Hoghead1]

Moses wrote, "according to their kind," the species would reproduce; mutation we witness right before our eyes breeding dogs and having kids ourselves. People have seen/known this for centuries on centuries! Recently, a voice decided to take it a step further, saying, "It is not 'according to their kind' only, but all have derived their being from singularity, in which we have continued to evolve from."

Is it not interesting that Moses wrote, "according to their kind," *every single time he says God created a creature? Did he do it for the sake of filling in space, or with a meaning; with purpose or no purpose? And if with purpose, does it not speak most to us who live in these modern times?

I don't think Moses wrote the Pentateuch, however. Too many repetitions, contradictions, and different literary styles.

 

[Hoghead1]

Does "Godless people" include the American evangelical Asa Gray?

It all depends are whether you go on Gen. 1 or Gen. 2. According to Gen.1, first animals, then man. According to Gen. 2, first man, then animals. There sis a serious contradiction here. Also evolution nee not be godless. Many, including myself, hold with theistic evolution. In fact, I believe creation is God's own evolution from unconsciousness into self-consciousness, a point found in major Christian mystics such as Jacob Boehme and Meister Eckhart.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't think Moses wrote the Pentateuch, however. Too many repetitions, contradictions, and different literary styles.

Most believe he edited it. Naturally, he wouldn't publish any
contradictions outside of alternate points of view.

 

[SkyWriting]

Moses wrote, "according to their kind," the species would reproduce; mutation we witness right before our eyes breeding dogs and having kids ourselves. People have seen/known this for centuries on centuries! Recently, a voice decided to take it a step further, saying, "It is not 'according to their kind' only, but all have derived their being from singularity, in which we have continued to evolve from."

Is it not interesting that Moses wrote, "according to their kind," *every single time he says God created a creature? Did he do it for the sake of filling in space, or with a meaning; with purpose or no purpose? And if with purpose, does it not speak most to us who live in these modern times?

Yes, God created all kinds of animals. We got the message. Animals are not people.