I was using your own logic.
No, you weren't - if you did I'm pretty sure we'd of been in agreement.
Are you not claiming motive?
I'm claiming NO motive, I'm watching their actions.
Let's say Donald Trump has 4 women in a line - 3 of them are utterly
homely and obese, 1 is a size 3 beauty queen that's HOT.
Now you tell me out of the 4, based on what excites him, which
would he pick to date?
These men had a whole city, AND a virgin daughter of Lot's to have.
Instead, they go for the .............. 2 MALES?
They aren't going to pick people out who don't first excite them
sexually.
It's not like men can fake excitement. Otherwise, we wouldn't see
rapists who rape ONLY females and ONLY males even today.
They go after who they have an attraction towards -
a preference towards. (anger or no anger).
& if they're hetero & go for the same sex, it's called bisexuality.
You're claiming that their attempt to rape the angels came from their lust which stemmed from homosexual desire, and I claim that their attempt to rape stems from the usual motives behind rape. Could some of them have actually been homosexual? Sure. All of them? Really, really doubtful.
If ALL of them weren't, wouldn't the ones who weren't take up
Lot's offer on his virgin daughter?
This is about preference and what they're comfortable with.
Even in rape, men choose a preference of sex and age -
and some are bisexual and either will suffice.
They weren't in prison, they had a whole city to pick from and
I highly doubt that Sodom only had 2 guests in the entire city.
"Strange flesh" is hardly a conclusive reference to homosexuality, and Leviticus calls a lot of things abominations. You're proving nothing.
Do the study on it, yes it is evidence becuz right ahead of it
is 'sexual immorality' which is one of their listed sins.
Ezek. 16 lends the other half as "abominations" which homosexuality
is called in Lev. 18 & 20.
We can't forget that they were being judged for thier PAST sins,
not the sin of this rape they were trying to commit. Fornication is
a general term that covers all sexual impropriety - sensuality,
lewdness, perversion, lasciviousness, impurity, etc.
But the fact that they had no qualms about going after males
is key evidence in the story of Sodom as to their depravity in
homosexuality.
They went after the strangers in the town--and this was probably a regular occurrence, this attack on strangers, considering Lot was so insistent on getting them off the street.
Again, their fate was sealed BEFORE the angels arrived.
God judged them BEFORE they tried to rape these 2 and they
were only there to remove Lot's family to save them from
destruction.
The sins listed for Sodom's judgment were the sins God acted on
PRIOR to that attempted gang rape incident - they were gay long
before those angels arrived; and brazen enough to try to take
them forcibly.
The STRANGERS in the town wasn't the sin. The sexual immorality
was - which God is clearly pointing out their homosexuality here
by them forcibly demanding MALES to rape.
Not females - they didn't want the daughter.
I'm not going to major on this, the fact that they chose MALES
isn't going to invalidate the homosexuality aspect.
I found a site that is run by survivors of sexual abuse (aest.org.uk). Based in the UK. Here's a quote from them:
"The vast majority of men who sexually assault other men identify themselves as heterosexual.
Then they're BIsexual and perverted and have demonic issues.
Am I going to believe them as to their real sexual status?
That sounds like "don't believe what you SEE, believe what I tell you
instead".
Many rapists will attack either males or females, while in their consensual will only have sex with females. Some target males more than females as it gives them even a greater sense of power and control. This fact helps to highlight another reality, that is, that sexual assault is usually more about violence, anger, domination and control over another person, than it is about lust or sexual attraction."
Here's another from the Rape Victim Advocacy Program (rvap.org):
"Myth: Rape is an expression of passion and lust.
Reality: Rape is not a crime of passion – it’s a crime of power and control. It is sexualized violence, not violent sex. The major motive for sexual assault is power – to overpower and control another person, using sex as the weapon.
Myth: Rape is an impulsive, uncontrollable act of sexual gratification.
Reality: Most rapes are planned and motivated by aggression, dominance and hatred, not sex. In fact, most offenders have access to consensual sex, and many report being sexually dysfunctional during the assault. Rapists look for availability, vulnerability and accessibility in a potential victim. There is some planning that precedes each assault in which the offender makes choices."
This changes nothing - and further, this is from our 'advanced'
medical experts - who label everything as a "disease" -
it's called SIN and it's demonic when it gets into rape of this sort.
Further, Let's look at the biblical account and then take in ALL
other ancient civilizations - even up to the late 1800's.
When THEY read Lev. 18 & 20 moral laws condemning men
laying with other men as with women,
then see the men of Sodom demanding to have sex with MALES....
are they going to take into account that God MUST NOT mean
to relay that they're homosexual?
And have this 'clinical' excuse instead?
What do you think civilizations before our postmodern excuse
system evolved for evil were going to understand from Lot's
story, and Lev. 18 & 20, and Romans 1? and Matt. 19, and
1 Cor 6:9-11 and Galations 5 and 1 Tim 1:8-11?
That's why I call this fancy footwork. This is YOUR logic, not
mine.
Obviously, but considering that heterosexual men in prisons seem to have no trouble raping other men, your point falls short.
Men in prison have no other option - did you ever stop to think
they're bisexual? Or ...... just plain perverted?
I can assure you, if I were stuck in prison, I wouldn't go after
other females. That's becuz I'm not a lesbian or bi.