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French Christians, Muslims, Jews rally against gay marriage

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by TG123, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. durangodawood

    durangodawood Dis Member

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    What IS a right, though, is equal protection under the law.
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    And now committed straight adult couples can legally marry and enjoy recognition under law, but not committed gay adult couples.
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  2. KCfromNC

    KCfromNC Regular Member

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    Yes, see Loving v. Virginia for an example. It was one of the supreme court decisions cited by the judge who struck down California's Prop 8.
     
  3. awitch

    awitch Neopagan Extraordinare (USA)

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    Two conservative Christian "sources". No surprises there.
    Yeah, it's all a big gay conspiracy. I hear their headquarters are in the Illuminati fortress located under the White House. They have to move out soon because that's where President Obama's army of brown shirts are hiding and they need more room to store all the guns that their going to confiscate from anti-choice Christians.

    :doh:
     
  4. You left out the twin towers and flight 77. Have to make room for them too
     
  5. awitch

    awitch Neopagan Extraordinare (USA)

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    No, they're renting space under the Washing Monument with the birthers. Come on, man.
     
  6. GenetoJean

    GenetoJean Veteran

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    I do think there is a disservice in not being objective and I do see this happening. I don't support California's reparative therapy ban. I think that some people desire this and it should be available to them. I also regret the fact that these tactics make it hard to know what is objective research and what is biased.
     
  7. First of all don't think this is any new idea to me. Second of all, this is not the difference that was under discussion, so you're way out of context here. But I'll go with it.

    Next up, there may be some Churches that would consider a particular type of sinner to be somehow "a lesser person," but I would NEVER be a part of such a thing. In fact yesterday's sermon, while not about homosexuality per se, addressed that behavior and attitude with the point being if anyone sees leadership doing that LEAVE. Correct them please, but go find a good Church because by that time this one had gotten SO far out in left field, if it ever did get back it would be a long time.

    Kind of a strong position to preach from the pulpit, huh? And the point was that this is SO fundamental to Christianity that there is no compromise. Rather than saying "do as we say and your leadership is infallible," they're saying these few principles must be adhered to by all, and please hold your leadership up to scrutiny and the real power of the Church is in the congregation. In fact if you'd like I can link you to a thread where this very issue is being discussed in a Christian only section, and you can see for yourself that what you're depicting is an underwhelming minority, what I'm saying is well received and already embraced by most, and there's a wide variety of input from people like minded with me.

    So consider that perspective.

    Is this obfuscation intentional? I have demonstrated for you that fear is not a motivator here. You should acknowledge that. All you will accomplish by continuing to use the fear / phobia lingo is to incite violence. I think that's a bad idea, myself. If you can see that people who would resort to violence are silly with nothing really to prove, you should make the same conclusion about yourself pretending others are afraid of gays; its silly and what do you have to prove? Quit contributing to the problem. Maybe even listen to what people say they actually object to, instead of pretending you can make such decisions for them. I think that might help.

    What fundamental aspects of Christianity, that all Christians adhere to, violate current law? And if there are none, then you should be willing to adjust your choice of words there. You accept that extremism is best described by those breaking the law, so you also need to accept that using other words that already have other meanings shouldn't be used to describe the same thing.

    Don't get me wrong: yes there are extremist Christians. Militias, abortion clinic bombers, dominionists, and other sorts of whack jobs. Maybe you even grew up right in the middle of their home turf, I don't know. But they are a tiny portion of the Church in America, and those labeling themselves "fundamentalists" do not do so because they identify with this nonsense.

    I began preaching in exactly what you describe in 1984. Never have I met anyone who fits your description. Neither have I met anyone who told me I need to quit sticking up for homos, nor have I met anyone in such a place that was seriously entertaining the idea of bashing anyone. Consider that perspective.
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    People can find others who are very learned, and others who are simply passionate about their Faith. Usually a Church of 4 or 500 will have about 5 of us, and it can be difficult to get together to share ideas. This website collects those people from all over the globe and enables us to get input we otherwise couldn't. I mean who else is going to be reading these forums, right? Not your typical pew warmer.
     
  8. The Washing Monument? That's a Daffy Duck episode I missed, right? Man the script for this one practically writes itself - you should send it in! ^_^
     
  9. That was my main point in posting those links here. Right now our culture is NOT in a stable position to be making good decisions on something this important. We should all be happy the law recognizes violence via hate crime laws, and seeks to provide justice. We should concentrate on doing away with injustice where it exists, and there is yet a lot of that that can be done. The whole landscape can change significantly even w/o SSM being performed, and there are large population centers where they can be performed now.

    Lobbying sways a lot of what could be otherwise good info, producing disinformation. Probably every one of us has a cause we believe in that is guilty of that, simply due to how polarized our society is right now. Unfortunately I don't currently have the vision to be confident that this is merely a spiritual condition, or if its solely due to the media, or partisanship; it does seem to be a combination of all 3, and likely some other stuff too. All this tells me that the prudent thing right now is to use caution. In a large number of ways, our society has never been in this position before.
     
  10. awitch

    awitch Neopagan Extraordinare (USA)

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    I believe the closest he got was the Capitol Building when he ran for US Congress, hoping to pass legislation banning duck season and establishing eternal rabbit season. This is after learning the president doesn't make the laws, but "Daffy For President" was animated in 2004, and was based on a 1997 book by Chuck Jones.

    I haven't written fan fiction in years...
     
  11. GenetoJean

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    I do agree with this to a point. I think we have established before that we are disagreeing but reasonable people though. I flinch when some new outrageous act is performed by any LGBT group. I just want to shake them and tell them they arent helping and beg them to stop helping.
     
  12. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    It is important to remember that a small group of the LGBT Community does not represent the whole LGBT Community.
     
  13. GenetoJean

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    As a member of the LGBT community I definately know this. However, this also applies to any other community.
     
  14. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    As am I. I get annoyed with being lumped in with the actions of extremists.
     
  15. awitch

    awitch Neopagan Extraordinare (USA)

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    An update from France. NOM loses again.
     
  16. elephunky

    elephunky Previously known as dgirl1986

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    Wow!!!
     
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