Four corners flat earth

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It has been said the Bible teaches a flat earth. In fact the Bible refers to the earth as a circle, and Jewish people never believed in a flat earth.

It has been said but the Bible speaks of Angels of the four corners, there that is a flat earth only a flat earth has four corners, umm no. Ready for a secret? How many points does a compass have. The four corners are four points on a compass. The four corners of the earth are the compass points. Imagine what those who are blind and say they see will "KNOW" tomorrow.;)
 
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Hi AC,

I'm not sure that BL was trying to say that 'people' haven't believed in a flat earth based on some understanding of the Scriptures. I think it fairly obvious that some have. Just as some believe there is no hell and some believe there is no demon angel referred to as Satan and some believe the rapture will come quite a bit before the end and some believe that the events portrayed in the Revelation have already happened and some believe that the Scriptures are the works of men trying to define some god of their imaginings.

I believe his point is that when God caused the words to be written about the 'four corners' of the earth, did He intend for men to understand that He was saying that the earth was flat? We must, at all times, be careful in separating what some may now, or at some time in history, have believed the Scriptures say, from what God actually meant to convey to mankind in the words of the Scriptures. There are at least a dozen good examples of the various understandings of men in the things the Scriptures teach us. The question for each born again believer to ask is: What is the truth?

Peter warned us of this very phenomenon:

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Notice that Peter opens this sentence speaking of Paul's writings, but ends it by telling us that this is true of all the Scriptures. We must constantly strive to seek after the truth in all things. It would seem obvious, based on Peter's words here, that just because some person or group may believe some point of the Scriptures to be understood in a particular way, doesn't make it the truth.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Complete myth. I learned about this in grade nine.

Flat earth myth - creation.com

The “myth” exposed in the article is that late in the Middle Ages scholars still believed in the flat-earth cosmology taught in the Bible. However, that was not a myth at all—but a significant misconception held by people who had not studied the issue. By the late Middle Ages, scholars, even Christian scholars, believed the scientists who had been, for centuries, arguing against the flat-earth cosmology taught in the Bible.

The cosmology of the ancient Hebrew people is firmly established and explicitly taught throughout the Old Testament. The Church, of course, assumed that the cosmology of the Old Testament was correct, and therefore we find it taught in the New Testament and in the writings of other Christians up to the Middle Ages with some, but not many, Christian fundamentalists continuing to believe it today because the Bible explicitly teaches it.

Should we believe a creationist website that explicitly contradicts the Bible? No! For an excellent article (from a different Christian perspective) that discusses many of the numerous verses in the Bible that teach the flat-earth cosmology of the ancient Hebrew people, please see the following:

The Circle of the Earth: Translation and Meaning in Isaiah 40:22
 
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Ok for one your reference are not creditable Wikipedia is not allowed in college writing because it is not creditable.

I have had History of the Jewish people and you will find they did not believe in a flat earth, that was a European idea which came about from mythology of the time.

So God did not mean circle when he said circle? what you are referring to is a dome, a dome is a half circle now isn't it.

You can try to rewrite history all you want doesn't make it true.

The Hebrew word for circle can also be translated as sphere.
 
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The “myth” exposed in the article is that late in the Middle Ages scholars still believed in the flat-earth cosmology taught in the Bible. However, that was not a myth at all—but a significant misconception held by people who had not studied the issue. By the late Middle Ages, scholars, even Christian scholars, believed the scientists who had been, for centuries, arguing against the flat-earth cosmology taught in the Bible.

The cosmology of the ancient Hebrew people is firmly established and explicitly taught throughout the Old Testament. The Church, of course, assumed that the cosmology of the Old Testament was correct, and therefore we find it taught in the New Testament and in the writings of other Christians up to the Middle Ages with some, but not many, Christian fundamentalists continuing to believe it today because the Bible explicitly teaches it.

Should we believe a creationist website that explicitly contradicts the Bible? No! For an excellent article (from a different Christian perspective) that discusses many of the numerous verses in the Bible that teach the flat-earth cosmology of the ancient Hebrew people, please see the following:

The Circle of the Earth: Translation and Meaning in Isaiah 40:22

where does the Bible teach a flat earth, and why did Jews throughout history always know the earth was round? You said the four points show a flat earth I just showed how wrong you were with that. In fact anyone thousands of years would have known that about the four corners because they had compasses to sail their ships by. Not rocket science here. :)
 
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The Hebrew word for circle can also be translated as sphere.

The Hebrew word used in the Old Testament for ‘circle’ is חוּג. This word is NEVER used in ancient Hebrew literature for a sphere. Indeed, it means a circle, circuit, arch, vault, or horizon. For a discussion of the meaning of the word and its use in the Old Testament, please see here:

The Circle of the Earth: Translation and Meaning in Isaiah 40:22

Please see also page 295 in the Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament by Brown, Driver, and Briggs published by Oxford University.
 
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In fact anyone thousands of years would have known that about the four corners because they had compasses to sail their ships by. Not rocket science here. :)

The earliest known use of a compass for maritime navigation did not occur until early in the 12th century, and it was a single-point compass. The first four-point compass for maritime navigation was developed much later. Not rocket science here—just simple facts about maritime navigation.

P.S. Jesus lived in the first century. That would be eleven centuries before the 12th century, while the Church still believed that the earth was flat because that is what the Bible teaches.
 
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Hi all,

I find it odd that this argument is found in the baptist forum. It had always been my understanding that the general consensus, even the basic baptist creed, is that the Scriptures are the inspired work of God. That, as Paul claims, they are the handiwork of God's Holy Spirit.

So, If we believe that the Scriptures teach that the earth is flat based on this particular argument, then there are only two options available for us to believe.

1. God got it wrong.

2. The one arguing the flat earth position got it wrong.

I'm going with 2.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi all,


1. God got it wrong.

2. The one arguing the flat earth position got it wrong.

Or....

3. The Bible is not a science book, its goal is not to teach or conform scientific discoveries. It is also not written in a historical vacuum. The times/cultures/beliefs of the people writing the bible do influence what is put in, including ancient cosmology. Being inspired by God, does not mean the writers had no freedom in what to put in the bible. And since the Bible was never intended to teach correct science towards its audience, God never taught/told authors the scientific knowledge that would later be learned in the future (i.e earth rotates around the sun, etc).
 
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Hi all,

I find it odd that this argument is found in the baptist forum. It had always been my understanding that the general consensus, even the basic baptist creed, is that the Scriptures are the inspired work of God. That, as Paul claims, they are the handiwork of God's Holy Spirit.

So, If we believe that the Scriptures teach that the earth is flat based on this particular argument, then there are only two options available for us to believe.

1. God got it wrong.

2. The one arguing the flat earth position got it wrong.

I'm going with 2.

God bless you all.
In Christ, Ted

There are many more than two options. God never gets anything wrong, and the Bible explicitly teaches an ancient Hebrew cosmology in which the earth is flat and covered with a dome. Indeed, every reference to the earth found in the Bible, both in the New Testament and in the Old Testament, is in perfect harmony with that cosmology—and there is NOTHING in the Bible that even remotely suggests that the earth is spherical.

The conviction that the Bible is verbally inspired does not deny the fact that the personalities of the men who actually penned it clearly shows in what they wrote. Moreover their writing skills differ widely, as does their vocabulary. The human element as well as the divine is seen throughout the Scriptures—and that also includes the cultures in which the humans lived. The Scriptures are our sole authoritative rule of faith, but they are not our sole source of knowledge. In its intent and purpose, the Bible is perfect and free from error, but it should never be used to deny truths that God has chosen to reveal to us through science about the natural world that He created.
 
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The earliest known use of a compass for maritime navigation did not occur until early in the 12th century, and it was a single-point compass. The first four-point compass for maritime navigation was developed much later. Not rocket science here—just simple facts about maritime navigation.

P.S. Jesus lived in the first century. That would be eleven centuries before the 12th century, while the Church still believed that the earth was flat because that is what the Bible teaches.

Friend your record for facts has been very misleading.

Magnetic Compass

The magnetic compass is an old Chinese invention , probably first made in China during the Qin dynasty (221-206 B.C.). Chinese fortune tellers used lodestones (a mineral composed of an iron oxide which aligns itself in a north-south direction) to construct their fortune telling boards.
Eventually someone noticed that the lodestones were better at pointing out real directions, leading to the first compasses. They designed the compass on a square slab which had markings for the cardinal points and the constellations. The pointing needle was a lodestone spoon-shaped device, with a handle that would always point south.

History of the Compass

basically they don't know, Imagine that but the think, 200 bc
 
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