Fornication and Remarriage

[Joe Green]

JAH is short for Jehovah, you need to go to google, put in Jehovah God, then
click on Who is Jehovah.

 

[dayhiker]

I really don't see any confusion in Yahu's post. I probably would have not used the phrase Germanized corruption, I'd have said the way the German translators chose to spell God's name.

 

[mnphysicist]

There is a reason why one book is called the OT and the other one the NT.
The work of the prophets of the OT is finished, however we can learn of the
mistakes of those in the OT. The NT, with overseers, pastors, teachers and
evangelists. The NT is our guide and light Now.

Such was the view of Marcion in the early church, and today's dispensationalists, superseccesionists, and a few others. However, as others have stated, without the context of the OT, its pretty easy to go off track. Case in point the modern Christian-Industrial complex surrounding pre-marital sex...

Ie expanded definitions of μοιχεία (moicheia) and πορνεία (inappropriate contenteia) are often adopted in the dispensational realm often to the point that few dare question them, even if they sense something is not quite right. Alas, such often creates unintended consequences (young folks getting married super fast just to have sex) as well as pretty high divorce rates (when the same folks find they didn't even know the person they married) to say nothing of the needless heartache when the remarriage texts are applied in an incorrect context. Its a mess.

I think it might be a case of trying too hard and bending the scriptures to fit the cultural desires of modern Western Christianity. No one wants unwed teenage parents, sexual diseases running rampant in our youth, or the emotional baggage of a anything goes sexual culture. And while the scriptures as a whole will keep those issues at bay, its a lot easier to tweak some definitions in selected proof texts in order to present the message as black and white as possible. Alas, even apart from the forementioned unintended consequences... its not bearing a full and true witness to the scriptures when tweaking like that occurs, no matter the good intent behind it.

 

[Yahu_]

JAH is short for Jehovah, you need to go to google, put in Jehovah God, then
click on Who is Jehovah.

There is no "J" in Hebrew.

YHVH is disputed on the proper pronunciation. Personally I believe it should be Yahuvah but Yahweh is also acceptable IMO. I have to assume you have not taken any Hebrew classes.

Again, Im not confused but am concerned when people obviously loose a debate then go for personal attacks.

 

[RDKirk]

But wait. This has gotten down to a lengthy but yet silly and irrelevant dispute over the meanings of words rather than the exposition of concepts.

The ancient Jews did not ignore sex between unmarried men and women under any circumstances, either before or after the Law. One way or another, to some degree or another, there were serious consequences depending on circumstances to be paid for sex between the unmarried.

So the implication of some on this thread that the only prohibitions and inhibitions were only applied to the married and not the unmarried are just plain false.

 

[Yahu_]

But wait. This has gotten down to a lengthy but yet silly and irrelevant dispute over the meanings of words rather than the exposition of concepts.

The ancient Jews did not ignore sex between unmarried men and women under any circumstances, either before or after the Law. One way or another, to some degree or another, there were serious consequences depending on circumstances to be paid for sex between the unmarried.

So the implication of some on this thread that the only prohibitions and inhibitions were only applied to the married and not the unmarried are just plain false.

Nonsense.

The act of taking on a sexual partner without a marriage was taking a concubine and was covered by the law. There is a big difference between a woman becoming a concubine verses a harlot. It was also the pagan sexual practices and doctrines that were actually condemned by the law.

For example, a woman that had lost her virginity by rape would have major problems becoming a wife but could offer herself as a concubine as long as she was ONLY with one man at a time. Never was it allowed for a women to have multiple sexual partners. That was what was going on in the groves, ie 'playing the harlot'. It was taking a bride that was expected to be a virgin and finding out she wasn't that carried a death penalty for the woman.

In the groves, a priest of Baal would violate virgins then they would 'play the harlot' until they had their first child which was sacrificed to Molech then they would have the pagan blessings to marry. That was forbidden by the law. Kill the women that want to have fun with multiple men and kill their unwanted offspring. It is the shedding of innocent blood that angers Yah and the practices that lead to it. It was promiscuity that was unlawful, not sex within a relationship.

Modern day Christians call a couple having sex or living together before a wedding, living in sin. It is NOT sin. It is those that attack them for it that are in sin. Anyone trying to separate them to keep them from sin is in sin. The wedding ceremony isn't magic. It is just publicly stating their covenant before witnesses.

So it is practices like 'one night stands', prostitution and sex with strangers to satisfy lust that is unlawful. So is a man that violates virgins but doesn't marry them afterwards.

If pre-marital sex was illegal under the law, Marry would have been stoned to death BUT she was in covenant with Joseph so everyone assumed it was his child. In that case, they were in covenant (engaged) but not had the wedding celebration. Only Joseph knew it wasn't his child and he could have had her stoned for adultery because an engaged woman could not be with another man.

The law concerns protection of a girls virginity, men using positions of authority to get sex, partisipating in random sex with strangers and/or the sexual worship conducted in the pagan worship. It does not cover a non-virgin from trying to find a man to support her. The law also covers the responsibilities of the man when a child is involved.

Tamar wasn't in sin for having sex with Judah. Ruth wasn't in sin for going to Boaz to get pregnant even before he agreed to take her on as a full wife.

 

[Joe Green]

Ever word in the NT is the doctrine of this dispensation, the grace dispensation.
The doctrine of the Church the doctrine of Christ.The doctrine of the early Church,the doctrine of the latter day Church. We will get confused if we go to
the OT for doctrine.

 

[Joe Green]

Ever word in the NT is the doctrine of this dispensation, the grace dispensation.
The doctrine of the Church the doctrine of Christ.The doctrine of the early Church,the doctrine of the latter day Church. We will get confused if we go to
the OT for doctrine.

 

[tulipbee]

inappropriate contenteia (translated as fornication) means ANY illicit sex, IOW any sex not with your biblically lawful spouse, or wrong sort of sex with your spouse.

I didn't really understand the rest of the OP.

Define sex

 

[Kiterius]

1 Corinthians 7:2 "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Fornication-A single person, never married, having someone's Biblical (covenant) companion.

It seems to be slowly developing in the minds of the people that when a man who has no living wife marries a woman with a husband that that man will be free to divorce this woman and be free to marry another. The man is guilty of fornication and may marry another but the woman is bound to her first companion. - Church of Prophecy

Here in Canada, polygamy is illegal.

 

[Open Heart]

Define sex

In this particular case, sex is penetration by the male member.

 

[Joe Green]

Define sex

Webster, sexual intercourse.

 

[tulipbee]

Webster, sexual intercourse.

Making babies