Evolution or Creationism?

[Doveaman]

I don't know about you, but I can see the horse and the farmer. I can't say the same about God.

If you saw only the horse pulling the plow, would you say the horse is plowing the field?.

 

[bhsmte]

Do you see a plowed field?

When a field is plowed, I see a plowed field.

 

[crjmurray]

If you saw only the horse pulling the plow, would you say the horse is plowing the field?.

The horse is completely alone and pulling the plow in rows with no help from the farmer?

 

[Doveaman]

The horse is completely alone and pulling the plow in rows with no help from the farmer?

No. The farmer is guiding the process, but you can only see the horse.

 

[bhsmte]

No. The farmer is guiding the process, but you can only see the horse.

How is the farmer guiding the process?

 

[crjmurray]

How is the farmer guiding the process?

He trained the horse lol

 

[bhsmte]

He trained the horse lol

Mr. Ed?

 

[crjmurray]

Mr. Ed?

Of course my horse.

 

[Doveaman]

How is the farmer guiding the process?

It would be best if you ask the farmer.

If the farmer is guiding the process but only the horse could be seen pulling the plow, would the horse be plowing the field?

 

[crjmurray]

It would be best if you ask the farmer.

If the farmer is guiding the process but only the horse could be seen pulling the plow, would the horse be plowing the field?

This is your hypothetical so you figure it out. If we don't know how the horse is guided then we can't answer.

 

[bhsmte]

It would be best if you ask the farmer.

If the farmer is guiding the process but only the horse could be seen pulling the plow, would the horse be plowing the field?

Lets review this hypothetical.

We have a field, we have a plow, we have a horse and we have a farmer. You state, you can see the horse pulling the plow and the farmer is aiding the horse, but we can't see the farmer.

Why can't we see the farmer? And if we can't see him, how do you know he is guiding the process?

 

[Doveaman]

This is your hypothetical so you figure it out.

I already have.

If we don't know how the horse is guided then we can't answer.

If you don't know how the Bible authors are guided then you can't answer either.

 

[Doveaman]

Lets review this hypothetical.

We have a field, we have a plow, we have a horse and we have a farmer. You state, you can see the horse pulling the plow and the farmer is aiding the horse, but we can't see the farmer.

Why can't we see the farmer?

He doesn't want to be seen.

And if we can't see him, how do you know he is guiding the process?

Because the horse isn't smart enough to attach a plow to his body and plow the field on his own.

 

[bhsmte]

He doesn't want to be seen.
Because the horse isn't smart enough to attach a plow to his body and plow the field on his own.

How is the farmer hiding himself?

 

[bhsmte]

I already have.
If you don't know how the Bible authors are guided then you can't answer either.

You are assuming the bible authors were guided by someone and you are free to assume what you like. Showing this to be true, is a different story all together.

 

[AV1611VET]

How is the farmer hiding himself?

As Chuck Norris put it:

Don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all that Heavenly glory.

The analogy is an excellent one, but if you just concentrate on the farmer, you'll miss how verbal plenary inspiration works.

Parables are a powerful way of learning, but not if you don't focus on the right parts.

 

[bhsmte]

As Chuck Norris put it:

Don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all that Heavenly glory.

The analogy is an excellent one, but if you just concentrate on the farmer, you'll miss how verbal plenary inspiration works.

Parables are a powerful way of learning, but not if you don't focus on the right parts.

I like to learn with reality. Thanks though.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like to learn with reality.

Where do you draw the line though?

At the finger?

If so, there's much more to reality than meets the eye:[VERSE=2 Kings 6:17,KJV]And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.[/VERSE]

 

[bhsmte]

Where do you draw the line though?

At the finger?

If so, there's much more to reality than meets the eye:[VERSE=2 Kings 6:17,KJV]And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.[/VERSE]

What finger?

 

[AV1611VET]

What finger?

This finger:

To say that people wrote the Bible and not God is like saying that the horse plowed the field and not the farmer.