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Baloney. Your comment shows you know little about theology. The fact one is critical of Christian Imperialism does not mean they are anti-Trinitarian or non-Nicene.Yes but this is not the forum to talk about that. According to the rules: "Unorthodox, non-Nicene Christian theology may only be discussed in the Controversial Theology forum."
That is beside the point here.The main point of the Bible is that sinners are slaves to sin. They are in bondage and Jesus paid the price so that they could be set free.
I am sure that this appears to be ad hoc to you. But a major Major MAJOR rule for understanding the Bible is that all of the Bible is written as an object lesson for people to learn from. Otherwise if you do not understand that then you are not going to be able to properly understand and interpret the Bible. We are talking some basic 101 stuff on how to understand and interpret the Bible. In order to come to this forum you have to understand at least basic 101 evolutionary theory. You are expected to have a High School understanding. Actually I have evolutionists that are calling me "ignorant" because I do not have a PhD level of understanding of the Chemisty, Biology and Genetics. In comparison Evolutionists often do not even have a third grade level of understanding of the Bible. There is a VERY VERY Extreme imbalance here in expectations. My son is graduating from High School so I am well aware of what a High School student is expected to know. Here is his transcript. This is just the classes they take at the High School. This does not include the classes he took at the University. So the bottom line here is we need to address this imbalance in what people are expected to know about science and compare that to what they are expected to know about the Bible. All things considered we should play on an even field. If you expect me to function at a high school level in science then I have the same right to expect you to be able to function at that same level in Bible comprehension and interpretation. It is wonderful that they expect the students to have a high school level of science to be qualified to graduate. It is an atrocity that they do not maintain the same standard to require people to understand the Bible and know how to apply the teaching in the Bible to their lives.
I am sure that this appears to be ad hoc to you. But a major Major MAJOR rule for understanding the Bible is that all of the Bible is written as an object lesson for people to learn from. Otherwise if you do not understand that then you are not going to be able to properly understand and interpret the Bible. We are talking some basic 101 stuff on how to understand and interpret the Bible. In order to come to this forum you have to understand at least basic 101 evolutionary theory. You are expected to have a High School understanding. Actually I have evolutionists that are calling me "ignorant" because I do not have a PhD level of understanding of the Chemisty, Biology and Genetics. In comparison Evolutionists often do not even have a third grade level of understanding of the Bible. There is a VERY VERY Extreme imbalance here in expectations. My son is graduating from High School so I am well aware of what a High School student is expected to know. Here is his transcript. This is just the classes they take at the High School. This does not include the classes he took at the University. So the bottom line here is we need to address this imbalance in what people are expected to know about science and compare that to what they are expected to know about the Bible. All things considered we should play on an even field. If you expect me to function at a high school level in science then I have the same right to expect you to be able to function at that same level in Bible comprehension and interpretation. It is wonderful that they expect the students to have a high school level of science to be qualified to graduate. It is an atrocity that they do not maintain the same standard to require people to understand the Bible and know how to apply the teaching in the Bible to their lives.
Yes, he worked hard for that 3.9 grade point average and his $30,000 merit scholarships and he is proud of what he has accomplished. Feel free to put your high school transcript up for us all to see. I would be glad to see what you accomplished in High School.
The theme of this message board is creation and science. I represent creationism. I have at least two years at the Bible college. The so called PhD's often do not even function at a third grade level in terms of creationism and understanding the Bible. Lets say my level of education is two years of college or an associate degree. Compared to people that spend five minutes on skeptics dot com and even there are people on this board that do not have a preschool level of understanding of the Bible and Creationism. We start sunday school when they are one year old. If they can walk they can march around the table and sing Bible songs and learn from those songs.The truth of the matter is that you are a lay person. The problem, then, is no, you don't have a Ph.D. in science. So why do you assume you know so much more than the scientists do? Also, true many scientists really have had very little education in biblical studies. But the Bible isn't their subject matter, science is. The problem here is that many members also have had very little education in biblical studies and yet automatically assume their interpretation is correct and not to be questioned.
My son is in High School taking advanced college classes like chemistry and computer engineering. He is in many of the bands at the High School and he just started a part time job. He does not have time for stuff like this.Your son could just join here & write for himself, you know.
This conversation has nothing to do with theology. Go to the top of the page and click on the statement of faith. I have no interest having any conversation with you outside of the Statement of Faith for this forum. There is a place for that but I do not post there. This is the creation & evoluion forum and that is what I come here to discuss.Baloney. Your comment shows you know little about theology. The fact one is critical of Christian Imperialism does not mean they are anti-Trinitarian or non-Nicene.
The theme of this message board is creation and science. I represent creationism. I have at least two years at the Bible college. The so called PhD's often do not even function at a third grade level in terms of creationism and understanding the Bible. Lets say my level of education is two years of college or an associate degree. Compared to people that spend five minutes on skeptics dot com and even there are people on this board that do not have a preschool level of understanding of the Bible and Creationism. We start sunday school when they are one year old. If they can walk they can march around the table and sing Bible songs and learn from those songs.
In order to graduate from High School. In order to walk across the stage and get your degree you are expected to pass a test and demonstrate that you can function at a high school level. It is a travesty that they do not set the same standards for understanding the Bible. People should need the same level of understanding of the Bible as what they are expected to understand about Science to get their High School Degree.
Paul tells us that people are without excuse: "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." Rom 1:20
If you know Science then you know God because you understand the Universe He created. If you understand the natural laws then you understand God because He created the Natural Laws. This is so easy a child can understand and yet the PhD's for some reason are having trouble understanding what is intended for children to understand.
That's what I am here for, too. I am also in a thread on the Trinity as well. You seemed to have overlooked that. Also, your comment that this forum has nothing to with theology seems really odd. It sure seems to me this is the place to talk about God and evolution. Everyone else is. Do you even know what the term "theology" means? I wonder.This conversation has nothing to do with theology. Go to the top of the page and click on the statement of faith. I have no interest having any conversation with you outside of the Statement of Faith for this forum. There is a place for that but I do not post there. This is the creation & evoluion forum and that is what I come here to discuss.
Oh, well, hey, listen, while we're on the subject of high school and high-school credentials: When I was but 15 years old, I conducted an orchestral performance of teh "Hymn and Triumphant march," from the opera "Aida," with the Allegheny Music Festival Summer Student Orchestra, in the Anderson theater, at Westminster College. I got six curtain calls. Levine and the Met couldn't have done it any better, well, except maybe the scenery. Should I post pix? I bring this up to try and show you how ridiculous all this high-school talk you are bringing up is here.My son is in High School taking advanced college classes like chemistry and computer engineering. He is in many of the bands at the High School and he just started a part time job. He does not have time for stuff like this.
I am sure that this appears to be ad hoc to you. But a major Major MAJOR rule for understanding the Bible is that all of the Bible is written as an object lesson for people to learn from. Otherwise if you do not understand that then you are not going to be able to properly understand and interpret the Bible. We are talking some basic 101 stuff on how to understand and interpret the Bible. In order to come to this forum you have to understand at least basic 101 evolutionary theory. You are expected to have a High School understanding. Actually I have evolutionists that are calling me "ignorant" because I do not have a PhD level of understanding of the Chemisty, Biology and Genetics. In comparison Evolutionists often do not even have a third grade level of understanding of the Bible. There is a VERY VERY Extreme imbalance here in expectations. My son is graduating from High School so I am well aware of what a High School student is expected to know. Here is his transcript. This is just the classes they take at the High School. This does not include the classes he took at the University. So the bottom line here is we need to address this imbalance in what people are expected to know about science and compare that to what they are expected to know about the Bible. All things considered we should play on an even field. If you expect me to function at a high school level in science then I have the same right to expect you to be able to function at that same level in Bible comprehension and interpretation. It is wonderful that they expect the students to have a high school level of science to be qualified to graduate. It is an atrocity that they do not maintain the same standard to require people to understand the Bible and know how to apply the teaching in the Bible to their lives.
This same argument about expectations keeps getting regurgitated. I'd like to hear a response to this post I made on the previous page.
You make it sound as though you've found the perfect argument to see the worst in life. I remember watching a show which featured something about choking and how hot dogs are perfect for choking. The rounded tip fits snugly in the throat and it's very difficult to dislodge once it's there.
Sometimes it's the shape of the food. Sometimes it's because the food is not properly chewed. Sometimes it's because the food is eaten too quickly. People understand what causes choking and yet it still keeps happening. Why? Because we want our hot dogs? Because of poor education? Why isn't education about this kind of thing made a priority in first grade and reviewed in subsequent grades to be sure the lesson sticks? Who really cares about choking before it actually happens and why should it be evidence of poor design that we're too lazy or uneducated to chew our food properly or to teach other people about chewing their food properly?
But, ok, even with good education and diligent chewing, accidents happen; people choke. They also break bones, bleed, grow old and any number of other problems which can happen to the body. Of course, Godcould give us better bodies, but these are the bodies he's given us. Life in general is full of problems. It's our job to learn and grow, sometimes because of those problems and sometimes despite those problems. There are plenty of people who learn character, courage, backbone, integrity and compassion because of their perseverance through the challenges of life.
They could spend their time complaining about their problems, but that only leads to bitterness and hardness of heart.
Why on earth are you bringing all this up here? It is way off topic.
The theme of this message board is creation and science. I represent creationism.
I have at least two years at the Bible college.
The so called PhD's often do not even function at a third grade level in terms of creationism and understanding the Bible.
Lets say my level of education is two years of college or an associate degree.
Compared to people that spend five minutes on skeptics dot com and even there are people on this board that do not have a preschool level of understanding of the Bible and Creationism. We start sunday school when they are one year old. If they can walk they can march around the table and sing Bible songs and learn from those songs.
In order to graduate from High School. In order to walk across the stage and get your degree you are expected to pass a test and demonstrate that you can function at a high school level. It is a travesty that they do not set the same standards for understanding the Bible.
People should need the same level of understanding of the Bible as what they are expected to understand about Science to get their High School Degree.
Paul tells us that people are without excuse: "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." Rom 1:20
They understand it just fine... what has your knickers in a twist is that they don't believe it...If you know Science then you know God because you understand the Universe He created. If you understand the natural laws then you understand God because He created the Natural Laws. This is so easy a child can understand and yet the PhD's for some reason are having trouble understanding what is intended for children to understand.
Francis Collins is really the one that has written the books and he is the one that carries the mantle. I do not write the books I just do my research and pass it on.That's quite the mantle to take upon yourself, isn't it?
I am 64 years old. That is old enough to be a grandfather and you would think I would be out of touch with high school students. Only my second SON just graduated from High School. So I am VERY much aware of what they are teaching, testing for and requiring out of a High School Student. In fact we had a foreign exchange high school student from China. That year he had the BEST math scores in the High School. So I am well aware of what they require the High School Students in China to know and understand. Because of long conversations that we had on that subject. The conversation usually started with: American Students do not take their education serious and they are not going to be able to keep up with us.Suddenly he was posting report cards in a reply, for some reason.
I am 64 years old. That is old enough to be a grandfather and you would think I would be out of touch with high school students. Only my second SON just graduated from High School. So I am VERY much aware of what they are teaching, testing for and requiring out of a High School Student. In fact we had a foreign exchange high school student from China. That year he had the BEST math scores in the High School. So I am well aware of what they require the High School Students in China to know and understand. Because of long conversations that we had on that subject. The conversation usually started with: American Students do not take their education serious and they are not going to be able to keep up with us.
Like I said before: the voters control the school board. We just threw two people off of the board here because they did not represent the voters. The next election we will be replacing two more people on the board. So we do have quite a bit of control over the educational process and what they are teaching our kids. But most of this discussion was on a different forum then this one. Still if you have ever heard of the "monkey trials" then you will know that this is a very real issue for evolution. As well as other court cases that has to do with the schools and the teaching of the theory of Evolution.
Many people on both sides of this issue are VERY concerned with what we are teaching in the High School and that is a LOT of the reason for what goes on here. Our students are VERY busy and they simply do not have time for the sort of discussion that is going on here on this forum. They are to busy getting their education and trying to figure out how to pay for it. Or they are destined to work at McDonald's and do not take getting an education serious.
Well, if you believe we shouldn't blame God, then why are you trying to do so and rationalize all suffering as some kind of s test by what would appear to be a very sadistic God?
And we do that in response of claims that we were apparantly "perfectly" made by a "perfect designer" who created us "perfectly".
We demonstrably aren't perfect. That's the only point. The argument of the "perfect design by a perfect designer" simply does...not...work...
If you disagree with that, then I'm afraid that I don't know what you mean by the word "perfect".
Endtime Survivors said:Christianity teaches that, after Jesus returns the saints (i.e. Jesus' followers) will be given new bodies. It's not clear what these new bodies will look like, but it's almost certain they will be superior in every way to these mortal bodies we now have.
This suggests that God definitely can create better bodies. And if that is the case, then why do we have these lesser bodies now? As I suggested earlier, this life is temporary and there are plenty of indications that what we're experiencing now is a testing ground to determine what kind of spiritual creatures we will become as a result of our choices.
We have bodies which easily break and experience pain. Sometimes that pain in inflicted on us by others, sometimes by ourselves, and sometimes through the environment around us. Sometimes it is other people who experience pain. How do we react in each of these scenarios? We've been thrown into a situation where we must struggle to learn and grow.
These arguments about how God could not exist because we he's not given us everything we believe we deserve misses the point of learning character, integrity, faithfulness, and loyalty with what we've been given. It is similar to a child who complains about getting a new bicycle when his parents could have given him a motorcycle or rookie cop on traffic duty who complains that he's not been made detective already so that he can solve all the big cases or any number of other such examples of people who feel they should be given more than what they either deserve or can handle at the time.